Proposed Thug/Poisons Build

The_Spad_EU · 06-06-2006 07:43 PM

Right, I have no idea about masterminds, so I've had to go on what I've been able to pickup from other people's guides and discussions. So, just how bad is it?

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Name: The Orchestrator
Level: 50
Archetype: Mastermind
Primary: Thugs
Secondary: Poison
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01) --> Call Thugs==> Acc(1) Acc(3) Dmg(3) Dmg(5) Empty(5) Empty(7)
01) --> Alkaloid==> EndRdx(1) Heal(7) Heal(9) Heal(9) Rechg(11) Rechg(40)
02) --> Envenom==> EndRdx(2) Acc(21) DefDeBuf(31) DefDeBuf(31) DefDeBuf(33)
04) --> Dual Wield==> EndRdx(4) Acc(11) Dmg(37) Dmg(37) Dmg(37)
06) --> Equip Thugs==> EndRdx(6)
08) --> Combat Jumping==> EndRdx(8)
10) --> Weaken==> EndRdx(10) Acc(17) TH_DeBuf(19) TH_DeBuf(19) TH_DeBuf(21)
12) --> Call Enforcer==> Acc(12) Acc(13) Dmg(13) Dmg(15) Empty(15) Empty(17)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14)
16) --> Swift==> Run(16)TH_Buf(43)
18) --> Gang War==> Acc(18) Dmg(34) Dmg(34) Rechg(34) Rechg(36) Rechg(36)
20) --> Antidote==> EndRdx(20)
22) --> Health==> Heal(22) Heal(23) Heal(23)
24) --> Stamina==> EndMod(24) EndMod(25) EndMod(25)
26) --> Call Bruiser==> Acc(26) Acc(27) Dmg(27) Dmg(29) Empty(29) Empty(31)
28) --> Hasten==> Rechg(28) Rechg(33) Rechg(46)
30) --> Paralytic Poison==> Acc(30) Acc(33) Hold(36) Hold(39) Rechg(39) Rechg(39)
32) --> Upgrade Equipment==> EndRdx(32)
35) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(35)
38) --> Noxious Gas==> EndRdx(38) Empty(40) Empty(40) Empty(42) Empty(42)
41) --> Dark Embrace==> EndRdx(41) DmgRes(42) DmgRes(43) DmgRes(43)
44) --> Soul Tentacles==> EndRdx(44) Acc(45) Dmg(45) Dmg(45) Dmg(46)
47) --> Assault==> EndRdx(47)
49) --> Tactics==> EndRdx(49) TH_Buf(50) TH_Buf(50) TH_Buf(50)
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01) --> Power Slide==> Empty(1)
01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
01) --> Supremacy==> Empty(1)
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sekmet · 06-07-2006 03:19 PM

Your build should work perfectly well Spad,just a couple of issues that came out of the Recluse's Victory event.
1.I'm not sure you need the fitness pool I fought in a few massive extended pitched battles without running into any end problems.
2.I took the medicine pool,specifically Stimulant and Aid Self,one to back up Antidote allowing easier stacking of mes protection and Aid Self,slotted 3/heals/2interupts,to keep myself alive,very useful
3.I prefer flight so I took Air Superiority,a massively underated attack and flight simply that vertical dimension is so important.
4.I also took swift but purely as a way of speeding up travel,3 slotted with run speeds.
This worked fine for me and lead to some very surprised Granite Armoured tanks
I would also suggest that your minoins really should have 6 slots;
Thugs 3acc/3dam
Enforcers 2acc/2dam/2tohit buff
Bruiser 2acc/3dam/1hold
I personally always slot with 3 accs this is because my chars are intended to visit PvP zones.

The Smoking Demon · 06-07-2006 06:11 PM

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So, just how bad is it?

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Not as bad as the (new, new, new, new, new, new, new) new Smoking Demon.

Level 1 - Pistols, Twilight Grasp
Level 2 - Dual Wield
Level 4 - Tar Patch
Level 6 - Hasten
Level 8 - Empty Clips
Level 10 - Swift
Level 12 - Kick
Level 14 - Super Speed
Level 16 - Assault
Level 18 - Health
Level 20 - Stamina
Level 22 - Fearsome Stare
Level 24 - Flurry
Level 26 - Tactics
Level 28 - Petrifying Gaze
Level 30 - Boxing
Level 32 - Tough
Level 35 - Vengence
Level 38 - Weave
Level 41 - Night Fall
Level 44 - Maneuvers
Level 47 - Hurdle
Level 49 - Whirlwind

I pay for my art don't ya know

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The Smoking Demon · 06-07-2006 06:15 PM

Oh....I'm not Poison Sorry about highjack

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Silver_Weasel · 06-07-2006 11:15 PM

Nods to removing the Fitness Pool; unless you intend to be a Blastermind, a few Endrec's in the major drainers will leave you with enough.

Sort of odd thinking of a Thug/Poison though..

"Boss, what's that you're throwing at us?"
"It's Poison. It Heals you."
"Riiiiight, quick about turn guys and perforate the Guv."

Raziel_DX_EU · 06-08-2006 02:06 AM

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Right, I have no idea about masterminds, so I've had to go on what I've been able to pickup from other people's guides and discussions. So, just how bad is it?

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder - (http://sherksilver.coldfront.net/index.php)
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Name: The Orchestrator
Level: 50
Archetype: Mastermind
Primary: Thugs
Secondary: Poison
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01) --> Call Thugs==> Acc(1) Acc(3) Dmg(3) Dmg(5) Empty(5) Empty(7)
01) --> Alkaloid==> EndRdx(1) Heal(7) Heal(9) Heal(9) Rechg(11) Rechg(40)
02) --> Envenom==> EndRdx(2) Acc(21) DefDeBuf(31) DefDeBuf(31) DefDeBuf(33)
04) --> Dual Wield==> EndRdx(4) Acc(11) Dmg(37) Dmg(37) Dmg(37)
06) --> Equip Thugs==> EndRdx(6)
08) --> Combat Jumping==> EndRdx(8)
10) --> Weaken==> EndRdx(10) Acc(17) TH_DeBuf(19) TH_DeBuf(19) TH_DeBuf(21)
12) --> Call Enforcer==> Acc(12) Acc(13) Dmg(13) Dmg(15) Empty(15) Empty(17)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14)
16) --> Swift==> Run(16)TH_Buf(43)
18) --> Gang War==> Acc(18) Dmg(34) Dmg(34) Rechg(34) Rechg(36) Rechg(36)
20) --> Antidote==> EndRdx(20)
22) --> Health==> Heal(22) Heal(23) Heal(23)
24) --> Stamina==> EndMod(24) EndMod(25) EndMod(25)
26) --> Call Bruiser==> Acc(26) Acc(27) Dmg(27) Dmg(29) Empty(29) Empty(31)
28) --> Hasten==> Rechg(28) Rechg(33) Rechg(46)
30) --> Paralytic Poison==> Acc(30) Acc(33) Hold(36) Hold(39) Rechg(39) Rechg(39)
32) --> Upgrade Equipment==> EndRdx(32)
35) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(35)
38) --> Noxious Gas==> EndRdx(38) Empty(40) Empty(40) Empty(42) Empty(42)
41) --> Dark Embrace==> EndRdx(41) DmgRes(42) DmgRes(43) DmgRes(43)
44) --> Soul Tentacles==> EndRdx(44) Acc(45) Dmg(45) Dmg(45) Dmg(46)
47) --> Assault==> EndRdx(47)
49) --> Tactics==> EndRdx(49) TH_Buf(50) TH_Buf(50) TH_Buf(50)
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01) --> Power Slide==> Empty(1)
01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
01) --> Supremacy==> Empty(1)
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WHOA lol and i thought up that same build 2mins after i7 went live XD -- freaky

Hammerfall · 06-08-2006 04:45 AM

I agree with getting stamina, particularly if youre poison. I base this thought to my build in test server event. Plus of course theres the question of most suitable travel power, I have to admit Im not sure what IS the best travel power for masterminds.

Poison trap is the only relatively naff power in the poison set, all else is good, and you might still want poison trap for the -regen. And getting the rez power is of course optional.

On the other hand I've come to the conclusion of propably dropping leadership from my MM builds, it doesnt do enough I think.

MaXimillion_Zero · 06-08-2006 05:52 AM

I'd really try and fit in neurotoxin breath there somewhere.

The_Spad_EU · 06-08-2006 07:00 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Nods to removing the Fitness Pool; unless you intend to be a Blastermind, a few Endrec's in the major drainers will leave you with enough.

Sort of odd thinking of a Thug/Poison though..

"Boss, what's that you're throwing at us?"
"It's Poison. It Heals you."
"Riiiiight, quick about turn guys and perforate the Guv."

[/ QUOTE ]

Crazy bio scientist with hired goons was my concept

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_Norton_ · 06-08-2006 08:41 AM

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So, just how bad is it?

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Not as bad as the (new, new, new, new, new, new, new) new Smoking Demon.

Level 1 - Pistols, Twilight Grasp
Level 2 - Dual Wield
Level 4 - Tar Patch
Level 6 - Hasten
Level 8 - Empty Clips
Level 10 - Swift
Level 12 - Kick
Level 14 - Super Speed
Level 16 - Assault
Level 18 - Health
Level 20 - Stamina
Level 22 - Fearsome Stare
Level 24 - Flurry
Level 26 - Tactics
Level 28 - Petrifying Gaze
Level 30 - Boxing
Level 32 - Tough
Level 35 - Vengence
Level 38 - Weave
Level 41 - Night Fall
Level 44 - Maneuvers
Level 47 - Hurdle
Level 49 - Whirlwind

I pay for my art don't ya know

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Yeah that's a stinker alright! I know it's for concept, and I applaud your bravery, but not getting any pets at all?

Might you be better off with unslotted pets in perma-bodyguard mode than you would with tough and weave (concept notwithstanding)? and you could then drop the fighting pool and get Air Superiority instead of kick, which is a better attack imo, and then you could get fly so you can more easily escape the total pounding you're going to take

Carnifax · 06-08-2006 08:44 AM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
So, just how bad is it?

[/ QUOTE ]

Not as bad as the (new, new, new, new, new, new, new) new Smoking Demon.

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I pay for my art don't ya know

[/ QUOTE ]
Is it just me or have there been more Smoking Demons than Dr Whos & James Bonds combined?

The Smoking Demon · 06-08-2006 09:20 AM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
So, just how bad is it?

[/ QUOTE ]

Not as bad as the (new, new, new, new, new, new, new) new Smoking Demon.

...

I pay for my art don't ya know

[/ QUOTE ]
Is it just me or have there been more Smoking Demons than Dr Whos & James Bonds combined?

[/ QUOTE ]

Not that many...but not far off

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