Questions about weave


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Hey all. I'm just posting on behalf of a mate.

He has a level 35 SS/Inv brute with all the Inv powers so far and was planning to take tough then weave.

I had heard that weave wasn't that great but have no experience myself with it - he primarily wants to get it to give him some Psi defence (or resistance maybe?), is it worth it?

Should he just take tough and another primary power?

Cheers in advance.


 

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Weave give minor immobilization resist and DEFENSE to melee, range, lethal and smash

It doesnt give psi resist


 

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OK, ta

I'm just asking from what I can remember. It seems pretty weak in my opinion then. Figures on it would be good (I can look them up tomorrow though).

EDIT
I can't find figure's for endurance cost. If anyone has them (for this and othere toggle's) I'd appreciate a linky


 

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Weave give minor immobilization resist and DEFENSE to melee, range, lethal and smash

It doesnt give psi resist

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Weaves gives defence to Smash, Lethal, Fire, Cold, Energy, Negative Energy, Melee, Ranged. It doesn't gives Psi defence and I don't think it gives AoE defence. Toxic defence doesn't exist.

However single target Psi attacks count as both Ranged and Psi so you will get some defence against it. Weave only gives 3.25% defence though so it doesn't make that much difference.

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Toxic defence doesn't exist.

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Unless you're a Paragon Protector


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Toxic defence doesn't exist.

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Unless you're a Paragon Protector

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Nope they just have Melee, Ranged and AoE which covers all attacks including Psi.
Toxic defence doesn't exist because Cryptic don't know how to add it without breaking the game.


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isnt GA defence on toxic? or was it all resist and defence except toxic(def) and psionic?


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Weave: Don't do it!

Really, weave is teh suck. Combat jumping is waaay better, it's almost got as much defence and provides immob protection and more jumpyness. And it costs less end!


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isnt GA defence on toxic? or was it all resist and defence except toxic(def) and psionic?

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Granite definitely gives resistance to toxic damage, whether it gives Def is hard to tell but the info states Def and Res to All except Psionics.


 

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Weave: Don't do it!

Really, weave is teh suck. Combat jumping is waaay better, it's almost got as much defence and provides immob protection and more jumpyness. And it costs less end!

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Combat Jumping is far better than Weave, it is 75% of of the defence ( for Brutes and scrappers, the same defence for squishies ) but gives the same immob protection ( yes Weave has it too! ) but with great air control and costs 25% of the endurance. It has zero activation time, unlike the cheesy Weave animation. It gives you a good in mission travel power if you also have Hurdle. It also allows you to run/climb up steep slopes, so good for those superspeeders too. It wouldn't suprised me if it also reduced or stopped the drifting of fly.

I just realised that all my characters over level 30 have combat jumping... Wow!


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I just realised that all my characters over level 30 have combat jumping... Wow!

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You're not the only one


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I'd get Combat Jumping over Weave. The only reason I would get Weave over CJ is basically either 1. you want to squeeze every 0.1% def you can out of your power choices, or 2. You have fighting powerpool and cant take the Leaping pool as well.

The latter is why I have weave planned for my brute. 3 slotted with SOs it does give you over 5% defense which is pretty respectable, but then the minute difference with CJ isn't worth added end drain and lack of jump height boost and the pesky activation.


 

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I see the numbers and....dont think Weave is a waste.

Unslotted defense based armor power : 12.5%
Slotted defense based armor power: 20.0%
1 SO Combat Jumping: 3.75%
1 SO Weave 4.0%
1 SO +Def Stealth Power(Nrg Cloak ie) 4.0%
1 SO Tough Hide 5.0%

So we have a base def of 20(i guess most brutes will slot their shields).You can add +def in several ways.ie:
Set Shields + CJ + Stealth power = 27.75 % (+38% from base)
or you can go further:
Set Shields + CJ + Stealth Power + Weave = 31.75(+58% from base)

Your choose but the way I see it Weave is only useful if youre are planning to get tough,Weave is not really ggod enough to get a power pool (and you got only four) for itself.But If you got tough....Weave is 50% of the +def you get for SO slotting shields and the way I feel is:"No slotting dead brute,slotted god mode" so not a total waste imo.


 

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1 SO Weave 4.0%

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Slightly off that .. weave is 3.9% 3 slotted ..2.5% base
0.257 end per sec.. not worth the end drain in anyones book.


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1 SO Weave 4.0%

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Slightly off that .. weave is 3.9% 3 slotted ..2.5% base
0.257 end per sec.. not worth the end drain in anyones book.

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Im afraid you're not thinking in Brute's weave but in general weave.
2.5% base is for everyone but brutes,scrappers and tankers.
Weave base def is 3.25%(1 SO 3.9%) for brutes and scrappers and 3.75% base for tankers.
(maybe we aint talking of brutes...my apologies if i didnt understood it)

Well ,I know weave is not very popular here and I am not its biggest fan.I just tried to said the distance between 20 def and 30 def is real big in terms of surviving and weave is a way of getting close to that(there are others maybe better than this).


 

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Im afraid you're not thinking in Brute's weave but in general weave.
2.5% base is for everyone but brutes,scrappers and tankers.
Weave base def is 3.25%(1 SO 3.9%) for brutes and scrappers and 3.75% base for tankers.
(maybe we aint talking of brutes...my apologies if i didnt understood it)

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Tanker Weave is 4.33% IIRC rather than 3.75%. Scrappers and brutes are as you say.


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1 SO Weave 4.0%

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Slightly off that .. weave is 3.9% 3 slotted ..2.5% base
0.257 end per sec.. not worth the end drain in anyones book.

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Im afraid you're not thinking in Brute's weave but in general weave.
2.5% base is for everyone but brutes,scrappers and tankers.
Weave base def is 3.25%(1 SO 3.9%) for brutes and scrappers and 3.75% base for tankers.
(maybe we aint talking of brutes...my apologies if i didnt understood it)

Well ,I know weave is not very popular here and I am not its biggest fan.I just tried to said the distance between 20 def and 30 def is real big in terms of surviving and weave is a way of getting close to that(there are others maybe better than this).

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yep fingers typing b4 brain engaged
Brutes/scrappers 3.25%
Tankers 4.33%
everyone else 2.5%


Defiant's GoEH/MILITIS METUS