I think this belongs in the Scrapper forum...
Spines/regen, the best herder in the game 
What do you want to do with it?
Best survivability is katana/regen or BS/regen.
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What do you want to do with it?
Best survivability is katana/regen or BS/regen.
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what i want is a scrapper which is offensive and defensive if you know what i meanif not i will explain
say a scrapper which is offensive and can defend it self more eg invul or shadow?
If you don't want to go regen, then go with Dark Armour, that's the next best set for defense.
Not sure why you seem to think you don't want regen though,
I think Spines has about the highest damage output, but I'm not totally sure. Spines/Regen is awesome, you need to see Chives to believe it.
Katana or broadsword both have a 'parry' attack which adds to DEF on a hit. This combines adequately with most other secondaries to boost your defense. The best combination is with Regen, where the extra DEF really makes for quite an unstoppable machine. However, you do lose out a little on damage against Spines, and maybe MA.
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I hardly use parry, I prefer an higher damage attack for that one, then again thats a personal taste of mine.
My regen still survives most of the time, despite lack of defence.
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Spines/regen, the best herder in the game
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Aye I met one that taught me what herding (he was herding Nemesis at the time) was and I have only met one fire tank that could compare.
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I think this belongs in the Scrapper forum...
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Agreed. Moving it there...
Spines does the most damage, Regen takes the most. Spines/Regen is like mixing two really awesome things together.
Imagine Chuck Norris and Mr. T in the same TV show at the same time!
World of Jackcraft.
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Spines does the most damage, Regen takes the most. Spines/Regen is like mixing two really awesome things together.
Imagine Chuck Norris and Mr. T in the same TV show at the same time!
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I always thought Broadsword did the most damage 
If it hits a critical in PvP, can one shot anything except something with Dmg Res or high HP. But One of the most dynamic combo's is Martial Arts/Regen. Levels very quickly, got mine from LvL 1-35 in under 2 weeks.
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Spines does the most damage, Regen takes the most. Spines/Regen is like mixing two really awesome things together.
Imagine Chuck Norris and Mr. T in the same TV show at the same time!
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I always thought Broadsword did the most damage If it hits a critical in PvP, can one shot anything except something with Dmg Res or high HP. But One of the most dynamic combo's is Martial Arts/Regen. Levels very quickly, got mine from LvL 1-35 in under 2 weeks.
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Broadsword is better single-target damage, but nothing can beat Spines for AoE destruction.
I like my spines/regen though he needs a bit or respeccing to make him truly awesome
Also liking my DM/Regen, totally different in that most of his damage is single target but his build up relies on large numbers of enemies. Not that many actual attacks in the set but some neat other stuff if you need it (which regen doesn't)
DM becomes a killing machine when teamed with spines, cause they get you a herd to Soul Drain, by it self DM is a very safe set, infact my DM/Regen is dull because of just how safe it is.
I think if you want to be able to stand around and take the damage you're looking Regen, if you want to be kicking it ou fast Spines but if you want to last longer Katana
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
I personally believe that spines/regen is the safest option. If i wanted the overall easiest scrapper to play I think this could be the one.
This is my "theory" please correct me if i am wrong anyone as I am not too knowledgeable on scrapper sets and I am thinking of them all broadly every power in every set.
All damage types are mitigated the same regen-wise, other secondary types of scrappers will be more god-like vs regen depending on enemy lvl and damage type but across the board it is good as you treat most enemies the same plus minimal downtime ie rest periods. Only worry is what amount of damage you take really.
Spines is good in a sense because with all the range and multihit capability you get good dps pve and pvp if you add up all the damage the opposition may take, all the -recharge in the attacks is another way of damage mitigation as you lower the oppositions damage per second making up for the low single target dps of spines compared to other scrappers.
Most other scrapper types become truly awesome after build up (duration of 10 secs) but are easier to back off from after build up (if you see a scrapper use build up you dont have to go toe to toe, you can just back off 10 secs and not get mullered) but with spines and range attacks they can be harder to avoid.
Most challenging scrapper to play imo is possibly any/super reflex but only pre evasion pve really and possibly anytime pvp whenever the opposition is high enough on the accuracy basically.
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Spines/Regen isn't the safest, there is more risk in doing all that crazy AoE damage.
That could however be my playstyle. I lived by two words - Never Stop.
Edit - Actually scratch that, I died alot by those words. 
World of Jackcraft.
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Spines/Regen isn't the safest, there is more risk in doing all that crazy AoE damage.
That could however be my playstyle. I lived by two words - Never Stop.
Edit - Actually scratch that, I died alot by those words.
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I just meant as a safe pick for an enjoyable pve/pvp scrapper as I am sure most spines/regens would say its the best.
I have never really seen you chives but i can imagine you like everyother spines regen I know running in and scranking in the middle opening with quills and spineburst straight away then taking one for the team
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
i agree with Martial Arts/Regen but i would get any 1st power EXCEPT Katana (NEVER)
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i agree with Martial Arts/Regen but i would get any 1st power EXCEPT Katana (NEVER)
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And yet, katana/regen has enormous survivability, of the order of 60% better than anything else (aside from Broadsword, obviously, which is the same).
Broadsword puts out more damage than katana, but it does it slower, so without checking specific attack chains, I'd say it's difficult to determine which actually puts out more damage. Against minions, BS is certainly better, but I don't know if it would even out over a longer chain.
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like i said for another forum "a lot of people is gonna disagree with me but i think Martial Arts/Regen is the best to me standards, but there is no really best. in the end it falls to your standards"......
yeah regen is great....till the AV one shots you & the poor old reflex scrapper is still standing there sniggering. All depends on your style of play and what you want to do....yeah spines are good for aoe...broadsword for mega damage against one opponent and claws ...well someone has to skewer the kebabs at the barbeque 
The Good:
Krazy Mary L50 Kinetic defender
Uniqua L31 PeaceBringer
Black Annis L24 Warshade
Krystal L18 Ice Blaster
The Bad:
Frenzi L34 SS/Inv Brute
OTOH Reflexes its all or nothing, sure its less likely to hit but when it does it all hits and you have no chance of regening the damage. Especially if the hit is a toggle dropper. Arguably Inv is better because even if it hits it will have some resisted.
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OTOH Reflexes its all or nothing, sure its less likely to hit but when it does it all hits and you have no chance of regening the damage.
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And just to add to LN's point, the AV is actually very likely to hit both, but since the Regen has had the brains to pop Dull Pain before attacking the AV, he'll survive and the SR scrapper will be a puddle of mush.
I humbly suggest that tales of SR scrappers surviving when regens have fallen are from not stunningly good regen players fighting alongside lucky SR scrappers. The survivability of regen compared to SR is stupidly high and I7 is going to do nothing to fix that unless they increase the base DEF of SR or nerf regen... again. (If they do, Dark Armour will go next.)
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Having Duo'd with a regen scrapper I can cofirm that against large groups Regen has by far the greater survivability. Maybe its the DM primary, but against single foes or bosses I've noted SR does cope better. I've played both, I consider my Regen far tougher, but it has nothing to match the killing spree that goes with Elude.
For general all round safty you probably want inv, its weaknesses are few in comparison. The most dangerous thing for a regen scrapper is -recharge from quicksand, or spines, or ice attacks. Auto hits are the bane of SR (Envoy of Shadows is just a waste of mission slots, and when you do his missions you feel like a leach. A scrapper that cant get into melee isn't the best addition to the team) The defence changes of I7 should help SR a bit, but I dont see it catching up Regen or Inv on the general safety side.
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
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For general all round safty you probably want inv, its weaknesses are few in comparison. The most dangerous thing for a regen scrapper is -recharge from quicksand, or spines, or ice attacks. Auto hits are the bane of SR (Envoy of Shadows is just a waste of mission slots, and when you do his missions you feel like a leach. A scrapper that cant get into melee isn't the best addition to the team) The defence changes of I7 should help SR a bit, but I dont see it catching up Regen or Inv on the general safety side.
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Possibly even worse is -regen from mobs such as Malta
i say Regen/Martial arts
Tell me what you think