V, like V for Vendetta?
I'd have to say that the setting simply isn't designed to support that kind of character. It handles characters like Nevermore by virtue of us largely ignoring the setting. It would handle V even worse.
But we've had this discussion before. (That was the Roleplay Community 'we', not you and I, Saint. 
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Yes, V as in V for Vendetta (which, in my own humble opinion, defined graphic novels).
As for the fact that the RP community has had this discussion? Yes, it has. However, if it fit Nevermore (who I only know through Wordy's very cool showdown fiction) and the vast majority of GG is happy to let that be, would it be so difficult to fit in a few others?
THe main concept I had going would be a group of heroes no-one liked but who had to be let do their job because they'd managed to get their heroes license. Because let's face it, in the setting a hero license is pretty much the ultimate get-out-of-jail-free card.
Nevermore doesn't have a licence though
However, he operates by a certain standard and code of conduct which helps his public image, plus he's really good at not being caught. 
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THe main concept I had going would be a group of heroes no-one liked but who had to be let do their job because they'd managed to get their heroes license.
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It depends on why no one likes them. If they use excessive force, they can kiss their licenses goodbye. I kind of see FBSA issued Hero Licenses as Bounty Hunter licenses in the US, they have to stick to rules.
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Of course, excessive force in a world of telekinetic mafia bosses, jetpack-wearing mercenary companies, superadyne mad trolls, rampaging redcaps and et cetera ad naseum is going to be quite a bit more excessive than excessive force in a world without such excu... *cough* threats.
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It depends on why no one likes them. If they use excessive force, they can kiss their licenses goodbye. I kind of see FBSA issued Hero Licenses as Bounty Hunter licenses in the US, they have to stick to rules.
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Of course, excessive force in a world of telekinetic mafia bosses, jetpack-wearing mercenary companies, superadyne mad trolls, rampaging redcaps and et cetera ad naseum is going to be quite a bit more excessive than excessive force in a world without such excu... *cough* threats.
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Besides, if the lawyers can keep Frostfire out of jail...
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It depends on why no one likes them. If they use excessive force, they can kiss their licenses goodbye. I kind of see FBSA issued Hero Licenses as Bounty Hunter licenses in the US, they have to stick to rules.
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Of course, excessive force in a world of telekinetic mafia bosses, jetpack-wearing mercenary companies, superadyne mad trolls, rampaging redcaps and et cetera ad naseum is going to be quite a bit more excessive than excessive force in a world without such excu... *cough* threats.
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However, any innocent bystander would have quite a bit of difficulty in sueing any of these heroes, due to the fact that the pesky DE keep kidnapping all the laywers.
Hurrah!...I mean, yeah, I mean hurrah.
Excessive force seems to be perfectly acceptable with Hero Licensing system.
After spending quite possibly far too much time RPing in Pocket D I noticed a frequently repeated NPC statement, unfortunatly due to having just got home from work I can't recall the exact words, but the general message is that the chalk outlines on the floor were caused when the Back Alley Brawler got a bit rowdy.
Now I'm sure Pocket D has forbidden fighting anyway, so that shouldn't have happened anyway, but to have killed and still be ranked as a hero trainer, shows that fatalities seem to be brushed under the carpet from time to time.
The way I see it, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. Besides, it's so hard to play nice with Claws 
And yet again gaping holes are found when even the smallest espects of the game are taken IC...
Not that I'm disagreeing, just pointing out that the game is horribly inconsistent at the best of times.
I say again, Paragon is a police state.
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THe main concept I had going would be a group of heroes no-one liked but who had to be let do their job because they'd managed to get their heroes license.
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Let me put it this way, one of the reasons that Nevermore gets away with it is that he doesn't kill. Ever.
The kind of 'heroes' you describe would need to make themselves very popular with the local heroes, or the first time they stepped out of line they'd be arrested. I somehow doubt they'd actually earn their license in the first place. Don't forget that Back Alley Brawler was an established hero before the license system came into force. They could hardly not give him one, despite the fact he's not exactly a nice guy. Brawler represents the old school, literally. He's supposed to be retired.
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Also, look in the comics. Statesman suspended Manticore off the team because he's addicted to friendly fire... no, that's one of his other faults, because he killed Protean or Doppleganger, whatever his arch enemy was. Prisoners are teleported to the Zig when defeated (though by undeclared in the game world means), I doubt the people at the Zig would like having to sew up peoples insides before incarcerating them.
That and like Ravenswing said, a 'hero' who goes to extreme measures isn't going to be liked widly, and if they ain't liked, people will start writing to the FBSA. "Why do you let such a dangerous individual out on the streets!" you can just hear the old man typing furiously to send off letters to papers, magazines and goverment officals.
Exactly.
This group you've proposed sounds just like the kind of people Nevermore would say were the reason he operated without a licence, back when the character was first made. People who are basically thugs given a piece of paper legally allowing them to be thugs.
Not saying you couldn't make such a group, but you'd probably have to come up with something a bit stronger than "they have Hero Licences, so you can't do anything" if you wanted them to interact with others, unless you wanted them to keep their darker activities a secret, or wanted to play out the inevitable confrontation that would happen once they met real heroes, and were willing to play out the consequences.
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unless you wanted them to keep their darker activities a secret
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Crow is quite happy to slaughter people if the need arrises. It's one of the things that old Nevermore and old Crow couldn't agree on. I dare say it's a bit of a bone of contention between the updated versions. Thing is, he doesn't mouth it around, and he doesn't kill unless it's required.
(Well, that's the theory. How you 'don't kill' when your method of arrest is a skull-splitting blow to your opponent with a razor-sharp, magically enhanced katana has yet to be explained in any way at all. 
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Crow is quite happy to slaughter people if the need arrises. It's one of the things that old Nevermore and old Crow couldn't agree on. I dare say it's a bit of a bone of contention between the updated versions. Thing is, he doesn't mouth it around, and he doesn't kill unless it's required.
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These days, Nevermore's a lot more mellow as to what he believes other people should and should not do. He'd rather set an example instead of preach about the evils of killing.
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These days, Nevermore's a lot more mellow
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He got older... got off the Superadine and onto grass...
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Heheh.
Well, to steal from yet ANOTHER graphic novel, the idea I had was (initally) similar to 100 bullets. Someone speaks to these guys. offers them a chance to get out of their current situation (I was thinking they're all on their way into the Zig when this happens) by getting their heroes license. As for what would keep them from getting thrown back in the zig when they use excessive force (and it would be VERY excessive, I thought maybe a really, REALLY good lawyer (possibly a super himself.)
Dark has killed, he's definately not proud of it.
even when he killed Abyss/Light Stone something just felt completely wrong about it (ASIDE from the fact he killed himself, i mean).
If Dark knew that people were willingly killing criminals willy nilly, he'd definately have something to 'Say' about it. And despite not killing he can still be incredibly violint.
And... Shush. i'm working out what to do to the Cirque, K? they're all tougher then me ATM :P
Hmm... Dark's not going to be very happy when he finds out what happened Monday then, is he?
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offers them a chance to get out of their current situation (I was thinking they're all on their way into the Zig when this happens) by getting their heroes license.
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Sorry to say this, but it's been done. Wordmaker has a character called Alcatraz who should be serving a lot of years in prison. Instead, they stuck a chip in his head that lets them monitor everything he does, and lets them cut his powers off if they want.
Thing is, Alcatraz does actually regret the act that got him locked up. At the time, he felt it was justified, but now he's not so sure. (At least, that's my take on it, Wordy might have a different opinion.)
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I thought maybe a really, REALLY good lawyer
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Well, Crey have very, very, very good lawyers. I'd give you until about level 20 before Crey decide you should be inducted into their specialist research programme, where you can be dismantled in the name of furthering genetics.
To be honest, if you bring characters like that to GG, expect to be ignored by a lot of people. We won't be able to do anything about you spouting off on how you slaughtered such-and-such, or beat someone else to within an inch of his life for spitting, because we can't force you to be arrested. That generally leads to a lot of frustration, accusations of god-modding, and then being put on ignore lists.
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similar to 100 bullets
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I have no idea what that is, but I get the feeling from your description, that it's going to feature people who probably actually should be on death row (and please note, I don't agree with the death penalty) who are let out because "things are so bad we need people like this." Thing is that Paragon City isn't that bad, and the City Council sure isn't going to admit it even if it was! People like that don't fit in, and they'd get put straight back in the Zig.
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Sorry to say this, but it's been done. Wordmaker has a character called Alcatraz who should be serving a lot of years in prison. Instead, they stuck a chip in his head that lets them monitor everything he does, and lets them cut his powers off if they want.
Thing is, Alcatraz does actually regret the act that got him locked up. At the time, he felt it was justified, but now he's not so sure. (At least, that's my take on it, Wordy might have a different opinion.)
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Yep. Alcatraz's entire concept is based around being the first volunteer for an experimental parole program. It's not a nice thing, he doesn't get paid much, has to strictly obey the law, and even has restrictions on where he's allowed to go. Several of his basic human rights are being violated by the program, but he figures it's a lot better than spending 30 years in prison.
And yes, thanks to the efforts of many people (not least of which is Velvet ) he does actually regret what he did. He's come a long way from being an angry, mouthy jerk. Still got some growing to do, though.
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To be honest, if you bring characters like that to GG, expect to be ignored by a lot of people
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Exactly. Before I changed Nevermore, his attitude was "the city can't handle its problems with the system that's in place, so I'm going to do it for them." While it worked from a personal perspective, no-one wanted to talk to him because of that attitude, and rightly so.
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Before I changed Nevermore, ...[snip]... no-one wanted to talk to him because of that attitude, and rightly so.
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And, let's face it, Nevermore was a small, fluffy kitten compared to the level of idiot that this SG would contain.
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Thing is.. There already IS an SG not too dissimilar to this... The Cirque de la Lune... 
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Thing is.. There already IS an SG not too dissimilar to this... The Cirque de la Lune...
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And the one-man GBH army that is Agent Maximillian Adam Sinclair.
"Hmm... Dark's not going to be very happy when he finds out what happened Monday then, is he?"
*ahem*
I love the way people seem to think Jared pays no attention. It makes it SO much easier to make people feel bad about not telling him.
For those few of you interested in super-heroes of a darker breed, how many of you would be interested in an SG based around that theme?
Or, to be a little clearer, would anyone be interested in playing characters along the lines of Alucard, V, or Ant?