Okay, Bridger says he will ask Manticore for me regarding a few things. So before i send off my little list, is there anything anyone would particularly interested in regarding the origins of Hamidon? Just bear in mind that both Bridger and Manticore are very busy people, so no reply is guaranteed 
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they aren't clickable.
Anyway, I have some thoughts. These are just imagination rolling out, but don't ignore it like in the disco raid.
1) How about terrifying the hell out of Hamidon? We can all pick up the Fear power from the power pool, and it *might* prevent the spawns. Plus, most of us will have it, so...
2) How about confusing the GMs wondering around into the blob to help us? I know for a fact that these creatures can do a lot more damage then one of us can do, so confusing the GMs with a couple of illusionists might add to the fire power, and some of them can hold.
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When a foe is feared, if they get attacked, they are automatically allowed to retaliate (attack back). So we fear Hamidon, we attack him, and he attacks back. Once we get past the critical 50%, I assume his retaliation will be the mito spawn. At best, this tactic will only slow the mito spawn a little.
Also, we have considered confusing the GMs, but GMs are extremely resistant to such tactics. You would require many many mind trollers to succeed, even with help from other trollers, since confusing only one GM would not be sufficient. You'd need to confuse many to have any significant impact.
Attempting either of these on the fly in the Disco raid would have been foolhardy at best. To suddenly re-organise something that large, with so many individual people involved, is not as simple as snapping your fingers.
Everything I know about the DE and Hamidon, I have taken from in-game source-material. I did all the arcs from lvl 25-50 with all contacts, and I read them. I read the story arcs while doing them, I read the clues I discovered while doing them, and I read the souvenirs after completing them. There are also random missions in-game which do not form part of a story arc, but which tell you ineteresting things. Clues to Hamidon's origin did not come only from these though. There is information on certain History plaques which tells you more. There is unique info on actual mobs in the game, which tell you much about the actual factions that they belong to.
Unless you do the same as me, and read everything I did, you will not find the information you're looking for. Take it on faith or call me a liar.
OOps. My bad. Double-post. In fairness they both deal with completely different points, but I won't make a habit out of it 
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Attempting either of these on the fly in the Disco raid would have been foolhardy at best. To suddenly re-organise something that large, with so many individual people involved, is not as simple as snapping your fingers.
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Wasn't meaning the on the fly part! I posted this idea in the thread weeks before the raid itself. also, i sent him a message regarding leading a team, but he just didn't reply.
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Unless you do the same as me, and read everything I did, you will not find the information you're looking for. Take it on faith or call me a liar.
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I've read every single shred of information on it, and getting more from higher sources hopefully
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Okay, Bridger says he will ask Manticore for me regarding a few things. So before i send off my little list, is there anything anyone would particularly interested in regarding the origins of Hamidon? Just bear in mind that both Bridger and Manticore are very busy people, so no reply is guaranteed
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Well assumedly between radical scientist and giant blob there was an assumedly an interim stage. The Eden trial seems to talk about some sort of monstrous Hamidon, although evidently still capable of something other than just sucking up a crater, creating the crystal titan to absorb the energies of the nature linked heroes captured in the trial so I wouldn't mind hearing a little more about how Hamidon's transformation progressed if possible.
That is exactly what i asked
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Well assumedly between radical scientist and giant blob there was an assumedly an interim stage. The Eden trial seems to talk about some sort of monstrous Hamidon, although evidently still capable of something other than just sucking up a crater, creating the crystal titan to absorb the energies of the nature linked heroes captured in the trial so I wouldn't mind hearing a little more about how Hamidon's transformation progressed if possible.
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This is I think the only area where the in-game info is quite scarce. We have point A - genius, but disillusioned biologist turned eco-terrorist, and we have point B - giant gelatinous single-celled organism bent on the destruction of all things living, including the Earth itself. Aside from the chemical compound he imbibed/injected (can't remember whihch it was), how do you get from point A to B ?
I would love to know as well. Thanks for asking, Deluge
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Attempting either of these on the fly in the Disco raid would have been foolhardy at best. To suddenly re-organise something that large, with so many individual people involved, is not as simple as snapping your fingers.
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Wasn't meaning the on the fly part! I posted this idea in the thread weeks before the raid itself. also, i sent him a message regarding leading a team, but he just didn't reply.
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My apologies for misunderstanding your meaning However, I would like to point out that this Raid was meant to be our last big push using the old method, to be absolutely certain it cannot be done on the EU servers anymore. We had enough numbers with a few extra to pull it off, as much as we ever had pre-ED, and we barely even slowed him down.
Damn. Did it again 
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nother thing i find weird about the hive... there arent any devoured walking around. Only the grass type, crystal type, rock type and fungi type DE.
Bout the 9 doors, we only FOUND 9 thusfar, might be more. Also those doors dont give a blue hand icon when hovering over them, and also they arent attackable (tried tab-targetting and casting pets, none affect the door). However I dont think they put those doors there just for scenery.
In the portal corp building however are 3 doors that are clickable (i.e. blue hand appears) however you get the default "you cannot enter" message.
If it WAS SG-only intended, it looks like you can activate a mish somehow in that portal corp building.
Also, those 3 forests jiaozy discovered.. it doesn't look like much, or does it? The monsters guarding it seem pretty hell bent on not leaving it unguarded. Also inside the clearing there is always 1 tree left out, not targettable though. Then there is a very small wood without a clearing what i dont know the function off.
However, if hami really devours the complete earth, why are those trees still alive?
"god, how many devs did hami have to sleep with to get ED?"
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nother thing i find weird about the hive... there arent any devoured walking around. Only the grass type, crystal type, rock type and fungi type DE.
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There are no devoured GMs, only ones based on the transformation of inanimate earth and fauna (trees, fungus, rocks, crystals). Devoured are the one DE that were originally human, and so are at the most Boss level.
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Bout the 9 doors, we only FOUND 9 thusfar, might be more. Also those doors dont give a blue hand icon when hovering over them, and also they arent attackable (tried tab-targetting and casting pets, none affect the door). However I dont think they put those doors there just for scenery.
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Also, those 3 forests jiaozy discovered.. it doesn't look like much, or does it? The monsters guarding it seem pretty hell bent on not leaving it unguarded. Also inside the clearing there is always 1 tree left out, not targettable though. Then there is a very small wood without a clearing what i dont know the function off.
However, if hami really devours the complete earth, why are those trees still alive?
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We cleared out a complete forest area to no avail. No further clues were found.
Indeed. This coming week we will start our tests with the DE 'walls' mentioned previously. Note: These walls are actually chains of DE GMs standing next to each other. We're talking double walls of at least 10 DE each.
Don't say we didn't warn you
I'm estimating you're gonna need about 10 Stone Tanks. 
World of Jackcraft.
Anyhoo I just did a run around that Abbandoned PC place in the Hive, didn't find much interesting apart from a random barrel which was laying around, in flames. Oh and when I stood next to one of those leaning towers I heard a burning noise, but there's nothing on fire around there.
It's probably a bug.
World of Jackcraft.
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Indeed. This coming week we will start our tests with the DE 'walls' mentioned previously. Note: These walls are actually chains of DE GMs standing next to each other. We're talking double walls of at least 10 DE each.
Don't say we didn't warn you
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most walls have 20-25 to be exact
bout the greater devs, i know they dont have a GM type, however there are other monsters walking around (in those GM walls) that are ranked lieut.
Bout clearing the forests, did you only clear one or all 3 of em?
"god, how many devs did hami have to sleep with to get ED?"
Total Cat @Stagefright
Back on the non-conspiracy side of raiding. How many Defenders with Rad Primary or Controllers with Rad secondary do we know?
I think the best current plan is attacking from one side with blasters, controlling the mito spawn with Pa Drop, quickly attacking from the other side, repeating the control of the mito spawn and finally rushing Hamidon for a big finish. Might properly write-up the plan for testing actually.
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Indeed. This coming week we will start our tests with the DE 'walls' mentioned previously. Note: These walls are actually chains of DE GMs standing next to each other. We're talking double walls of at least 10 DE each.
Don't say we didn't warn you
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most walls have 20-25 to be exact
bout the greater devs, i know they dont have a GM type, however there are other monsters walking around (in those GM walls) that are ranked lieut.
Bout clearing the forests, did you only clear one or all 3 of em?
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Those Lieuts as Noir pointed out, are all summoner, so before I6, they could've summoned an eminator and made those walls pretty tougher than they already are.
For the burning barrel, I noticed that aswell, never heard the burning sound because i play with no sound 
I noticed a flying barrel aswell, prolly bugged as the burning one :\
meh there are multiple burning barrels, dont think much of it..
however how come in such a destroyed area the streetlights are still burning?
"god, how many devs did hami have to sleep with to get ED?"
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I'm sure it's just environmental.
Now, as stated, let's back to what we can reliably work on. Let's leave the what-ifs and maybes behind until they become fact.
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I'm sure it's just environmental.
Now, as stated, let's back to what we can reliably work on. Let's leave the what-ifs and maybes behind until they become fact.
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Isn't the entire thing a what if?
It will be interesting to see what happens at the Vigilance raid tomorrow evening. According to their thread, they have 140 people signed up including 38 trollers... Can brute force still work?
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well you know what they say.. If brute force doesnt work, you aint using enough.
"god, how many devs did hami have to sleep with to get ED?"
Total Cat @Stagefright
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It will be interesting to see what happens at the Vigilance raid tomorrow evening. According to their thread, they have 140 people signed up including 38 trollers... Can brute force still work?
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Of course it can... but we're pretty tired of it and can't do it reliably. I do however approve of Vigilance delivering a terrific mauling to Hamidon.
I made the statement recently on the french boards that the brute force wasn't probably the way the devs intended for Hami to be defeated. My logic was simple : the tactic used puts the server to too much stress, so there must be a cleverer way.
Then someone pointed out this thread, and its conspiracy theory.
So here I am, exhumating this...
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That is exactly what i asked
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Did you ever get any answer ?
Did anyone go further exploring this alternative ?
I really do believe that some sort of action triggers the unlocking of the doors in the ruins. That three people must enter there to do something thus enabling a small troop outside (three groups i.e.) to defeat the jelly.
If we can't find enough people on our own servers to investigate this, I suggest that people interested in finding the hidden truth meet on the test server.
If there is a plan afoot I volounteer to be wholy involved with ... no shirking at least until the debt cap is well and truly met ... look me up on Defiant if you need me!!
Even if the plan is lets munch some DE and see what happens.