Not sure what you're referring to, but I'm pretty sure that the disorient effect makes toggles drop when it gets through, yes.
Not the stun, certain attacks have a chance of dropping toggles that has nothing to do with mezzing. However, dont know if energy assault attacks can do that, but it would feel likely.
I don't think they exist, but I haven't been looking. I have most of the powers in my secondary. Now I'm curious if I've been toggledropping things without knowing.
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Not sure what you're referring to, but I'm pretty sure that the disorient effect makes toggles drop when it gets through, yes.
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In the blaster energy secondary attacks a few melee powers like bonesmasher and energy punch will knock toggles off even if the opponent has mez protection, i was askin whether or not a dominators bonesmasher attack can also do this? as a tanks bonesmasher attack cannot drop toggles
Well I've definately not noticed it doing that, if that helps.
Dominator Bonesmasher and Total Focus absolutely 100% drops toggles. Possibly Whirling Hands too, but i didn't take that power. Make sure ya slot them with two accuracy SO's though, and that you cast the hold before dropping their toggles, as it'll give you those few precious seconds to run before they jab you :P
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Dominator Bonesmasher and Total Focus absolutely 100% drops toggles.
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The blaster Total Focus doesn't drop toggles, just has a chance to stun, so I very much dount the Dominator version can.
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A dominator with toggle droppers? The devs aren't that stupid, surely? 
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Well why havent people tested out already? You can make an arena match with hero between villain 
I have low-lvl (17 or so) dominator with bonesmasher.
I am a regular in Sirens Call, and regularly hold and toggle drop scrappers and tanks with Total Focus. Go and try it if you want, i even had to prove it in the arena against a Brute once, but it does work, as does Bone Smasher. I'm not saying they both drop ALL toggles every single time, but i usually get *at least* one toggle with them both. Which one it is is seemingly random, but more often than not i get the mez resists. Total Focus has a very high chance to stun/disorient (i forget which) and coupled with Power Boost is a very effective power when you get a chance to use it. Slotting TF and BS for damage is also the only real way a Dominator can effect damage on a squishy hero AT, in the energy set anyway.
And yes, they do make Dominators with toggle dropping powers, because getting within melee range usually means our death, and our holds and our damage are far inferior to any blaster or controller, 25% is plenty difference =)
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Total Focus has a very high chance to stun/disorient (i forget which)
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What people are trying to point out is that I think the OP wanted to know if energy attacks have toggledrop independantly of any stun they may or may not have.
TF toggledrops because its almost a sure stun.
I see. Well, does it matter? I can't remember if i've held a scrapper without him being stunned, as the animation for stun isn't very visible as you know, and encased in a block of ice i can't see him waltzing about like a drunken Michael Flatley.
Either way, the purpose of dropping toggles with a Dom is to hold anyway, so if you can do that as a result of any/some of the energy attacks anyway isn't everything else moot?
I still feel as if i'm missing the point here, but it still seems fairly straightforward. It's not like you're not going to get these powers if you're sensible. Hold -> Bonesmasher/Total Focus -> Held hero/villain.
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Toggle droppers are more reliable than Stuns.
The Energy Melee moves only have a chance to Stun, so you could go through a whole attack chain without dropping their mez resist. However in the hands of a Blaster for instance, Bonesmasher has a chance to Stun just the same but on top of that it's is guaranteed to drop one toggle, then has a good chance to drop several other toggles.
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I see. Well, does it matter? I can't remember if i've held a scrapper without him being stunned, as the animation for stun isn't very visible as you know, and encased in a block of ice i can't see him waltzing about like a drunken Michael Flatley.
Either way, the purpose of dropping toggles with a Dom is to hold anyway, so if you can do that as a result of any/some of the energy attacks anyway isn't everything else moot?
I still feel as if i'm missing the point here, but it still seems fairly straightforward. It's not like you're not going to get these powers if you're sensible. Hold -> Bonesmasher/Total Focus -> Held hero/villain.
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Its much more difficult getting thru tanks hold/disorient resistance without dropping the toggle in question first. If you have an attack/attacks that automatically drop toggles then you can make better use of your hold/disorients.
The point here was indeed to find out whether or not dominators energy attacks automatically drop toggles independently of stuns - and apparently they do
Fact that total focus combines both toggle-dropping AND stun is another thing A blasters total focus on me has about 99% chance of dropping all my toggles and stun me on top of that regardless of how this happens.. Bonesmasher alone has about 0% chance of stunning me - but it always drops a toggle.
There are more annoying toggle-droppers out there too.. storm defenders lightning storm (if i recall the name correctly) is worse than total focus. Fought Talin in arena once, he said he had two clouds up most of the time and they dropped my toggles at about the rate of 0.5-1 toggle/second >.<
I assume only bonesmasher/whirling hands/total focus drop toggles, and the ranged attacks don't?
Odd that, but good to know.
Total Focus is not a toggle dropper.
It's got a good stun, and will only drop your toggles if it stacks with enough other stuns to overcome your mez resist.
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I'm fully aware of the mez resistance of tanks and scrappers, but only on PB's do i usually have to sit there stacking holds to make sure they end up that way.
And regardless of conjecture, i regularly hold some scrappers and hold them after a single Total Focus. I have more often than not had to stack stuns to get the desired effect, but this is not on EVERY scrapper. I have particular difficulty with Inv and SR scrappers, the latter for more obvious reasons.
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I'd be interested if someone could dig up issue 4 release notes?
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# Blaster: Energy Manipulation: Bone Smasher (100% chance of dropping one toggle, 75% chance of dropping a second toggle 50% chance of dropping a third toggle)
# Blaster: Energy Manipulation: Energy Punch (100% chance of dropping one toggle, 20% chance of dropping a second toggle)
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I'd be interested if someone could dig up issue 4 release notes?
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# Blaster: Energy Manipulation: Bone Smasher (100% chance of dropping one toggle, 75% chance of dropping a second toggle 50% chance of dropping a third toggle)
# Blaster: Energy Manipulation: Energy Punch (100% chance of dropping one toggle, 20% chance of dropping a second toggle)
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Thank you, that is clear now. I know from experience though that blasters total focus has very high chance of stunning me thru unyielding, whether its just power boost or something else, I don't know. I don't even know if chance is involved or whether it always happens. PvP is not very fun with a character whose only useful power is taunt so don't think ill go explore any time soon.
EDIT: As I tried to point out in my original posting, the end result of blasters total focus on me was stun and toggle drop. I didnt mean to imply that this was thru UY-drop->stun->all toggles drop or stun->all toggles drop. I was merely interested in which case it was.
Had been drinking a bit last night and so now i can't edit my post, but what i meant to say that i normally *don't* have to stack stuns to hold a scrapper. One Total Focus is usually fine, though DA and Inv scrappers seem to take a little more work, and SR's are obviously a nightmare to hit, but if i do i usually just need it to be that one time =)
does a dominators energy melee attacks drop toggles like a blaster energy melee attack?