Gaining prestige: ridicolous

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its very stupid. I'm sure they will notice it in time tho

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So what was Beta actually for?

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its very stupid. I'm sure they will notice it in time tho

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So what was Beta actually for?

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well we both know Beta was completely useless.. it was hardley active long enough for people to really put it through its paces.

Prestige/base building is a long term thing i guess. They dnt want people to just suddenly have bases overnight, but they obviously didnt think people dont want to wait years to have somthing decent.

The rough figure for a 'bare bones' base with

1 Entrance room leading onto free 8x8 plot
1 Control room with a mainframe
1 Power room with a generator
1 Infirmiary with a resurrection device
1 Workshop with a basic worktable (either magic *or* tech)

is 910,000 prestige.

our SG has over 60 members most quite active... we have the 300000k starter prize which is dandy, and then we have an extra 120k that was earned by several of us over the weekend. This is a lot of money. I won't be exiting SG mode til 42 to save for my new SOs at 43 (to plus them) becasue I will need about 3,500,000 inf for SOs and then at level 48 about 5 million.

They need to sort out the cost of stuff in prestige cause at the moment its a bigger rip off than Icon. I think when the level 40-50 part of CoV comes out they might redress this as that is when base raids will really pick up, most people need influence too much to buy stuff to make it worth their while for such a small amount of prestige. My main income now is selling enhancements, which I do, but only ever keep dropped SOs now. 10 of which equal roughly 100k influence income, I wish you could select it so that you only pick up SOs SO/DO or ALL enhancement types becasue its a pain to keep having to delete TOs and DOs that I won't use and aren't worth selling...

And 60 members is a relatively large amount. Theres tons of small SG's consisting of a handful of friends who are getting seriously shafted by this.

I know this because I'm one of them . How the heck are we meant to fight off our arch enemies, the Precision Rangers, when the best base defense we can afford is a sign on the door that says "NO ITEMS OF POWER IN HERE. HONEST.".

The bloomin rent on the sign is crippling us. Chives has alts to feed!

And how are we meant to fend of the plague that is the scrappocalypse when the sign on our door say "sorry, only one room, not terribly interesting place at the mo, come back sometime next year." Besides we're blasters, the best defence we have from the scrappocalypse is currently to run away... but wait til the 50s list is equal, then we can have some fun running away from you and shooting you whilst your nerfed regen/SR desperately tries to keep up!

Christ... The rent for that huge sign must be costing you a bladdy fortune!

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And how are we meant to fend of the plague that is the scrappocalypse when the sign on our door say "sorry, only one room, not terribly interesting place at the mo, come back sometime next year." Besides we're blasters, the best defence we have from the scrappocalypse is currently to run away... but wait til the 50s list is equal, then we can have some fun running away from you and shooting you whilst your nerfed regen/SR desperately tries to keep up!

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Least you have a room. Our door frame is propped up next to a skip in Kings Row.

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Christ... The rent for that huge sign must be costing you a bladdy fortune!

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Prestige farming at its worst. Shame on you Doulos!

I am indeed shamed... my capacity for over wordedness has cost the rangers dearly, if only I'd written something as simple as "nothing to steal here" I'd have left us enough money to actually have a base.

But the prestige farm is coming along well, I've put an apple tree down as its very good for the soil, hopefully we'll harvest some nice prestige in the new year an build a base out of acorns that will grow into the mighty elven city of Loth'Lorien in a few hundred years...

I saw your door in kings, it had a sign on it, another sign that is, it said "Evicted for failure to pay rent" on it... I believe it was Agent Midnight that they were locking up for attacking the bayliffs who carried off the door handle. Chives sat stunned with his cap in his hand asking passers by to contibute prestige to the group so that they could save up for a cardboard box and a bin liner to keep it dry...

For some reason 1 click becomes 2 today!!! I know not why!

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For some reason 1 click becomes 2 today!!! I know not why!

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Because you get 1 prestige for every post. Hack the planet!!!

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Because you get 1 prestige for every post. Hack the planet!!!

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ooooooh time to power post!

At least you have a door. My base is currently still in the mail with Postman Pat esq.

Still, at least someone's enjoying the new facilities, right Pat? *Rolls eyes*

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Chives sat stunned with his cap in his hand asking passers by to contibute prestige to the group so that they could save up for a cardboard box and a bin liner to keep it dry...

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Why else do you think they put the "Pan handle" emote in Issue 6?

You are far better off using a sub 35 to earn prestige and a 35+ to gain influence (to pay for the lower levels enhancements)

a sub 35 give up a pittance to earn the same amount of prestige that a 35+ is giving up thousands for

lose what prestige ? - the free15k or what you got for them? or both?

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So what was Beta actually for?

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To be fair this would not have been found in beta, because their giving SG's 36mill prestige on formation masked the problem. If they hadn't done this then we might've actually spotted it sooner.

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To be fair this would not have been found in beta, because their giving SG's 36mill prestige on formation masked the problem. If they hadn't done this then we might've actually spotted it sooner.

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Actually I did notice the problem there, because you can still see the prestige earned by players at the SG window..
At no point during 2 weeks did my little group earn enough prestige to build one room.. And I did voice it out on the now-wiped beta boards.

Ah Drekk, if only you knew what trouble you’d caused you’d smile in your fiery hell, when eventually you get there that is.

Up the conversion rate and the farmers get yet another advantage in being able to build huge impressive bases and start raiding each other and slowly getting more powerful, don’t up it and the non farmers get base nerf’d and will never stand a chance to catch up and will always be way behind and therefore always the underdogs.

I actually think that the prestige gained is about right, perhaps a bit higher. I think that while anybody lvl10 can make an SG, to have a base is something special. You have to be in a active and relativly big SG to see a fully functional base. Bases are not about a personal "batcave", they are a team effort and only by team effort should a base be possible. If anyone can get a decent base with little work what value do they really have?

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I actually think that the prestige gained is about right, perhaps a bit higher. I think that while anybody lvl10 can make an SG, to have a base is something special. You have to be in a active and relativly big SG to see a fully functional base. Bases are not about a personal "batcave", they are a team effort and only by team effort should a base be possible. If anyone can get a decent base with little work what value do they really have?

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Sorry, that's just not acceptable.

I have a small SG with a handful of friends in it. We team together always, we've been through nearly every TF, Trial & badge together. We've run & continue to run through each others AVs & missions & lend a hand, inf' & help to anyone that needs it.
I keep my SG small 'cos I'm picky & the same goes for the other guys. We have standards about how we act, & how we play & we have a damn good laugh & fun doing it .We all get the same input as to what goes on & we would all have the same input building a base... could we afford one.

Last thing I'd want to do is start spam inviting left, right & centre to fill up a little bit more of the prestige piggy bank.

Why should only giant 60+ groups be priviledged to functioning bases? Christ, that's probably actually more people than the Avengers have actually had through their ranks. That's probably just about more people than have ever been an X-Man at one time or another...

"Sorry Fantastic Four, we're taking back the Baxter Building, you're just not big enough. Can we instead interest you in the Baxter Shed?"

And btw, the point about being active & contributing to the team... I teamed with someone from an SG with apparently 60+ people in it & they were complaining that only 3 were online. Well I had 5 on in my much tinier group. By ratio, that makes my group more active & more deserving of a fully functioning base. To the Cactus-Cave!!!

Tbh, keep the prestige functionality, but make the desireable, functional items available through some sort of Supergroup missions or trials. You could then bust your gut to afford a room to house it in, but you've earn't your piece of equipment off a hard supergroup mission, or some such. Best of both worlds, this would still require activity & team work to attain.

The way it stands, as mentioned, there'll be a sparse amount of base raids going on. What a waste of a feature .

I'm still in two minds about this. The point about bases being a bit special is a good one. Yes, I believe they should be. Whilst I realise it's a HUGE prospect for a small SG to get a functional base it's far from impossible. I earned 38k Prestige last week and I'm far from a power gamer. Maybe between 2 to 3 hours per night. At a guess I'd say about 15-20 hours, and a lot of that was just buggering about not actually earning anything. In terms of earning I'd say 8-10 hours.
If we take the 1.2 million estimate for a fully function base then for me to earn that would take 30 weeks (or there abouts). With a six man SG that's only 5 weeks. In terms of the life of a toon from 1-50 that's not actually that long assuming semi-casual play.
The issue is being compounded at the moment because most ppl's most active players are spending a lot of time on CoV, so base building is going slower than it would have done otherwise.
I think it may be important to note that smaller SGs might not get into the IoP thing as they simply can't raise enough people to assault a larger SGs base and will certainly struggle to defend it. We're definitely looking at a two teir situation emerging. The haves and have nots. If this does turn out to be the base then a second teir of IoPs should be brought into the equation to allow for this.
I fully admit that gather pretige is a tall order, but shouldn't haveing a base with all the toys itself be a tall order?

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You have to be in a active and relativly big SG to see a fully functional base.

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To have even a partly functional base...

Pretty much everything else the devs have put in the game they have toned down as the game as gone on. Powers, now enhancements, entire at's etc. The original idea for the econemy never worked for them I'm guessing, once you hit your 30's you didn't have to worry about inf again.

What I suspect they have done this time is set it intentially hard to get enough prestige to actually make a base that is functional. Everything they have put in game, the players find a way to beat it, break it, abuse it, power through it in ways they never imagined compared to how it was apparently intended to be played (hence all the nerfs - bah).

So this time they start very low, and see what players do to actually afford these bases, work arounds etc. how the salvage system works in with it all. Then possibly at some point they can decrease costs or increase earning rates to make up for it.

Now of course it could have been tested, or maybe is a bad way of doing things, but I suspect this is what they have done. Afterall if they looked in a months time and everyone had the biggest base with everything running, players would cry murder if they increased all the costs, if they at a later date buff base building for the players however, they will get a better response from the player base for having 'listened'

Time will tell I suspect, no point hopping up and down about it a week after launch, I don't think its a good thing as it stands at present, but not much we can do about it.