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Stalkers are now taking our best PvP set, which will no doubt end up being insanely amazing, and we get stuck with electricity? I think that maybe energy melee would be a much more fair trade, and quite frankly I have been wanting it on scrappers for a while now. Any opinions? Should we get Energy Melee instead? How do people feel about Stalker Broadsword? How do you feel about us getting electricity?
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Since I do not care about Energy melee and wanted elec Melee over it I am happy heck I rather have stone melee before Energy Melee
I will pass on stone armor for scrappers I think it would suck on scrappers
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Stalkers are now taking our best PvP set, which will no doubt end up being insanely amazing, and we get stuck with electricity? I think that maybe energy melee would be a much more fair trade, and quite frankly I have been wanting it on scrappers for a while now. Any opinions? Should we get Energy Melee instead? How do people feel about Stalker Broadsword? How do you feel about us getting electricity?
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I'm not really sure that when choosing powerset proliferations, the developers focus on what is best for PvP. Just a hunch.
Electric/Shield scrappers may be the best melee AoE combo come issue 16. Given that fury takes a lot away from the damage potential of lightning rod on brutes (the pseudopet damage cap and fury taking up most of that), scrappers should deal more damage on their strikes when buffed, and it is a gorgeous power. I'll probably roll one, even if I don't have the inf for it.
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PvPwise...(which I care a lot more than PvE...) Yes, I definitely agree with OP.
PvEwise, as you all can assume what I'd say, no, it's a lot better to get Elec/ than Energy/.
I personally wanted NRG/ or SS/ to be ported, btw =/
Spines outperforms BS in PvP by quite a margin, and when it comes to single target burst (the most important PvP metric) BS is about equal to Martial Arts.
I'd roll an EM Scrapper in a heartbeat. That set would be downright lethal on a Scrapper.
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I do agree that they most likely don't look at PvP when transfering powersets, but since they are giving a godly PvP powerset to the red side I think they should be conserned about what they are doing with Electricity. I would rather have Elec for PvE but when it comes to playing for 54months you start to only care about PvP, so I am allot more worried about getting Energy.
I also have to comment about BS vs S because I have both and personally I feel as if I can actually get kills on my BS despite playing my spines allot more and actually putting sets into him. MA however seems like a complete failure in PvE and PvP and it looks like people only play it for character concepts.
Unfortunately the only bonuses of electricity are Thunderstrike and Lightning Rod. Both are great but most of the damage is comming from the Brute's Fury and the Stalker's Assassination inherents. Obviously the Scrapper lacks both. If NC increases the Scrapper's damage this set will most likely turn out well. In my opinion I feel that Energy Melee would be a much fairer trade for Broadsword. My opinion is thoroughly based from a PvP perspective. I would much rather have Energy Transfer and Total Focus than Thunderstrike and Lightning Rod.
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Unfortunately the only bonuses of electricity are Thunderstrike and Lightning Rod. Both are great but most of the damage is comming from the Brute's Fury and the Stalker's Assassination inherents. Obviously the Scrapper lacks both. If NC increases the Scrapper's damage this set will most likely turn out well. In my opinion I feel that Energy Melee would be a much fairer trade for Broadsword. My opinion is thoroughly based from a PvP perspective. I would much rather have Energy Transfer and Total Focus than Thunderstrike and Lightning Rod.
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Fairness in trade?
You realize, while Broadsword might be all that for Scrappers in PvP. It won't be all that for Stalkers in PvP.
Stalkers will have better choices for PvP than Broadsword.
Scrappers didn't give them anything better. Especially considering how easy it is to get lethal resist.
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Unfortunately the only bonuses of electricity are Thunderstrike and Lightning Rod. Both are great but most of the damage is comming from the Brute's Fury and the Stalker's Assassination inherents.
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Assassination doens't help Lighting Rod at all, because it can't Crit.
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Assassination doens't help Lighting Rod at all, because it can't Crit.
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Yes, I realize. I meant in regards to Thunderstrike.
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Unfortunately the only bonuses of electricity are Thunderstrike and Lightning Rod. Both are great but most of the damage is comming from the Brute's Fury and the Stalker's Assassination inherents.
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Assassination doens't help Lighting Rod at all, because it can't Crit.
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True, but they can put down a Lightning Rod without breaking stealth and still get a guaranteed crit on their next attack.
As for the OP, I don't really think it's a big deal. If BS is really so great in PvP then why does it matter if Energy Melee gets ported over if BS will still be better? If Energy Melee IS better than BS, then doesn't that mean Stalkers aren't getting any huge pvp buff by getting BS?
And I agree that I'd LOVE to see Stone Melee get transferred over before Energy Melee.
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My opinion is thoroughly based from a PvP perspective. I would much rather have Energy Transfer and Total Focus than Thunderstrike and Lightning Rod.
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Assassination doens't help Lighting Rod at all, because it can't Crit.
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ET doesn't crit either, so I'd still want EM/ over Elec/ =x
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As for the OP, I don't really think it's a big deal. If BS is really so great in PvP then why does it matter if Energy Melee gets ported over if BS will still be better? If Energy Melee IS better than BS, then doesn't that mean Stalkers aren't getting any huge pvp buff by getting BS?
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I think having an EM/ Scrapper was like a dream of every(not really, but most of) scrappers.
That's probably why.
I actually am not sure which set is better, because I do beleive one of them has a bit slow animations than the other although they are relatively close. I beleive the damage is the cloes to the same too. I would still like the have another good PvP set to work with though and that is exactly what they are getting. Expect to be one hit with their Assassin Strike soon.
I really don't think EM/ and Elec/ are a close match when it comes to PvP/burst damage. =x
Even if I just count the number from Mids, there is a big difference =/
I'm not saying we, Scrappers, should get EM/ over Elec/.
It's just that porting EM/ would be more logical PvPwise.
If we just think about PvE, Elec/ would outperform EM/ very easily, so, yeah, getting Elec/ is great. (It's just that I'm more of a PvPer than a PvEer.)
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I really don't think EM/ and Elec/ are a close match when it comes to PvP/burst damage. =x
Even if I just count the number from Mids, there is a big difference =/
I'm not saying we, Scrappers, should get EM/ over Elec/.
It's just that porting EM/ would be more logical PvPwise.
If we just think about PvE, Elec/ would outperform EM/ very easily, so, yeah, getting Elec/ is great. (It's just that I'm more of a PvPer than a PvEer.)
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While COX PVP failed after the first shoe horned attempt in I4-I5 and when it failed to help draw players and had tons of empty zone it quickly fell to the back burner. Then the last pvp nerf which makes jump kick, flurry etc a better pick damage wise than a lot of your main attacks makes it down right screwed up and stupid.
So unlike games like DAOC use to be and now War Hammer PVP has never been a main focus and therefore will never get the attention you really like from sets. The pvp game is totally insignificant when it comes to COX. In fact big portions of the pvp crowd left over the decay issue and they have not bothered to fix that yet. It sits as a big pile of badly done pvp changes.
As far as I can tell the last thing they worry about is pvp and it always looks like it is an after thought. I am no anti pvp guy I use to play it all the time DAOC; even ran some in War Hammer but in those games it was designed from ground up day 1 release and it shows inn how fun it was and the meaning it has in the game.
I just do not understand why PVP people really expect any thing when you look at COX PVP history it is pretty darn underwhelming.
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True, I've played since like what.. Late I1? I remember things. It's just that I still do like PvPing more than PvEing.
I know devs won't do shxt about PvP fixing, making it better, or changing it back to how it was before, but I just can't love PvE that much. Hence, I like PvPing more.
That's why I've mentioned PvEwise, Elec/ is a lot better porting choice than EM/.
I was just saying I'd prefer EM/ for PvP, since BS, which is one of the greatests that I think, was ported.
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True, I've played since like what.. Late I1? I remember things. It's just that I still do like PvPing more than PvEing.
I know devs won't do shxt about PvP fixing, making it better, or changing it back to how it was before, but I just can't love PvE that much. Hence, I like PvPing more.
That's why I've mentioned PvEwise, Elec/ is a lot better porting choice than EM/.
I was just saying I'd prefer EM/ for PvP, since BS, which is one of the greatests that I think, was ported.
edit: if you're wondering how I've been playing since late I1, I'll give you a hint. I'm on my fourth account. xP
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I understand your frustration the issue is they keep trying to make pvp casual user friendly that is just not possible in this game. Every pvp game where I saw the casual user can contribute in pvp is in games with large pvp play because both sides have enough bad players to offset each other and a few that will always dominate but the large number of people and groups create a chance to be successful even for the not great builds because the chances are you have someone else on the other side just as borked as you. This is generally not the case in COX pvp it is almost entirely and elite group of pvp players.
I said when they went down that path that there biggest issue is the culture is not there and without the pvp culture how are you going to attract people looking for a good pvp game. That is where DAOC was successful there pve was good but the pvp cultural was there and it had a purpose and was part of the game from day one.
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BS I beleive is the best PvP set for Scrappers, and thats why they should be paying more attention to what they are porting in return. But yeah, when you go to a PvP zone it is usually the same people you are fighting over and over again, and if they aren't, it is most of the time an alt. CoH PvP is not very casual player friendly, and I agree that it is going to be very hard to get it there if it is even possible (which I don't think it is).
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BS I beleive is the best PvP set for Scrappers, and thats why they should be paying more attention to what they are porting in return.
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I HIGHLY doubt BS will be all that great on a Stalker...in fact, I'm almost certain that it "won't" be any good in pvp. EM and ELA will still be better choices, as will Spines.
May I ask what makes you think that? I think Spines will still be best because of impale, but the raw damage BS gives + AS will just be ridiculous.
Stalkers are now taking our best PvP set, which will no doubt end up being insanely amazing, and we get stuck with electricity? I think that maybe energy melee would be a much more fair trade, and quite frankly I have been wanting it on scrappers for a while now. Any opinions? Should we get Energy Melee instead? How do people feel about Stalker Broadsword? How do you feel about us getting electricity?