Force Feedback Recharge Proc. - Global or no?
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Posted on: 2009-07-09 08:00 in Player Questions
I'm pretty sure it's global, most procs of that kind are. They wouldn't really be much use otherwise.
It's global, I've used it billions of times myself (such an over poweredly awesome proc before they fixed it...). I'm not sure what kind of 'proof' your expecting beyond simply everyone that has used it saying how it works.
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well, i have had some others say it is a global.
but it isnt marked as a global. and the definition of it doesnt metion it, nor does it mention that it is only specific to the power in which it is slotted.
so i would like a definitive answer some how. something official, if it exists, as to what it affects.
It's not marked as a "Global" because those are different from Procs. They're for enhacements that act as if they were a set bonus. FF: +Recharge is a proc, meaning it has a chance to apply a buff to the caster, in this case +100% recharge for 5 seconds. It can not only affect a single power, powers don't work that way.
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a normal recharge reduction affects only a single power. can't this be the same?
thanks for the replies.
A normal recharge reduction isn't a power/buff.
Here's a screen shot of the Attributes Monitor showing the buff active on one of my characters.
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cool, thanks for the picture. that certainly is the proof i was looking for. i should have just looked at my own attributes :P
on a side note, is there any benefit to slotting this proc more than once? I know they dont stack, and are suppressed. ie. could have one active period going when the others are in suppression?
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It's not marked as a "Global" because those are different from Procs. They're for enhacements that act as if they were a set bonus. FF: +Recharge is a proc, meaning it has a chance to apply a buff to the caster, in this case +100% recharge for 5 seconds. It can not only affect a single power, powers don't work that way.
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In other words - the IO itself isn't a "Global" but it's benefit gives a global recharge bonus.
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cool, thanks for the picture. that certainly is the proof i was looking for. i should have just looked at my own attributes :P
on a side note, is there any benefit to slotting this proc more than once? I know they dont stack, and are suppressed. ie. could have one active period going when the others are in suppression?
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As far as I know, it wouldn't go off during the suppression.
The main benefit would to get having it go off.
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As far as I know, it wouldn't go off during the suppression.
The main benefit would to get having it go off.
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of course the benefit of it is for it to work.
i guess the question is, does the suppression of one affect the firing of another.
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As far as I know, it wouldn't go off during the suppression.
The main benefit would to get having it go off.
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of course the benefit of it is for it to work.
i guess the question is, does the suppression of one affect the firing of another.
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This proc has been reworked so many times, take everything I say with a grain of salt since it may have been changed yet again since the last time i tested it.
Last time I tested the proc (back in i13), it turned out the paragon wiki graph of suppression was no longer accurate. In fact, there was no longer a suppression period, and if the proc fired while the old buff was active it would simply refresh the buff (so you could effectively get perma feedback if you had enough aoe knockback producing powers to slot it in). Now, this may very well have changed again in i14 or i15, so someone who has tested more recently should probably confirm this.
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As other have mentioned, it is a Proc which happens to have a 'global effect,' i.e, applied to the character, not just the power.
But it is not a 'Global Special IO' which operates differently than Procs. The link here is accurate as to which special IOs are Procs and which are Globals.
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As other have mentioned, it is a Proc which happens to have a 'global effect,' i.e, applied to the character, not just the power.
But it is not a 'Global Special IO' which operates differently than Procs. The link here is accurate as to which special IOs are Procs and which are Globals.
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thanks! great table, havn't seen that one.
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This proc has been reworked so many times, take everything I say with a grain of salt since it may have been changed yet again since the last time i tested it.
Last time I tested the proc (back in i13), it turned out the paragon wiki graph of suppression was no longer accurate. In fact, there was no longer a suppression period, and if the proc fired while the old buff was active it would simply refresh the buff (so you could effectively get perma feedback if you had enough aoe knockback producing powers to slot it in). Now, this may very well have changed again in i14 or i15, so someone who has tested more recently should probably confirm this.
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cool, yeah, this is what i would like to know now. how having multiple FF procs will affect your recharge. my ss/sd has multiple places where i can put them.
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Is the FF +rech proc global (will provide +rech for all powers), or is it only going to give +rech to the power in which it is slotted?
Please provide evidence of it either way. Exact proof is lacking on the wiki.
Thanks
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It gives a Global +RECH buff. It's not mark as a Global IO as it works like a Damage Proc IO. It only have a certain percent change of firing per target the slotted power hits..
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on a side note, is there any benefit to slotting this proc more than once? I know they dont stack, and are suppressed. ie. could have one active period going when the others are in suppression?
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They don't stack. But more IOs will give more chances more often for a PROC to fire.
I just tested this in Jump Kick. It works. I do not use Jump Kick much. I just took it to 6 slot Force Feedback into it for the 3.13% AoE defense bonus on my /SR scrapper.
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Is the FF +rech proc global (will provide +rech for all powers), or is it only going to give +rech to the power in which it is slotted?
Please provide evidence of it either way. Exact proof is lacking on the wiki.
Thanks