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Or as someone (I believe it was Mac) said last night: When you're a jerk to them, people get angry.
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His name and general location can be gleaned from that article. I just don't understand if the man has had death threats why in the hell he'd want that to come out.
As far as his Essay at least he got some attention for awhile. but zzz... Oh and I found a typo in it :P
and how frickin bored would he have to be or whatever it is that motivates him, that someone would want to tp foe people for hours? For a year long study in R.V? Dood unplug and get some sun!
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Not sure putting broadcast and tells complete with character names, something he did in the paper, counts as anonymous.
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The title of the paper is "Unreasonable crying by children when placed in idyllic vacations: How I got punched in the mouth."
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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
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This 'professor' really seems to be in love with himself...too bad it wasn't just a summer thing. I bet he also liked dragging giant monsters to portal corp. >.>
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hey there was nothing wrong with draggin giant monsters to portal corp. that was just good ole fun.
To bad cant do that since noone is in PI anymore.
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Actually, the Carebear's declared that this was a petition worthy act and were immediately backed up by Carebear Headquaters (NCNC). Hence the placement of Police Drones in Portal Corp.
Also, just because no-one is in Portal Corp doesn't mean that you can not taunt monsters to the courtyard.
yeah i wont say specifics, but i remember when that said tell from mr. Gm went to a friend of mine. funny stuff that day
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Perhaps they do lose the right to name suppression, but doesn't NCSoft hold the rights to characters created in their game. If this is indeed true; then wouldn't the "Professor" in question need consent from NCSoft to use their "property"?
Whats even more interesting is that there is a link to "Twixt" in the story by Ramon Antonio Vargas in the OP that links directly to the Freedom Message Forums. Surprisingly though, it is still up and able to be read but the replies to it however are not. Access Denied.
Normally I would like discuss matters like this openly on these forums, but due to recent events by our community's moderators; I would advise against it.
I would say that, yes, the good Professor should have sought permission from NCSoft to use the names in his paper, if he had not already done so, which I do not know.
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Or as someone (I believe it was Mac) said last night: When you're a jerk to them, people get angry.
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The use of Internet based research is currently a topic under review by the NIH and the AAS, due to the ethical implications and the perception of privacy(real or imagined). In regards to privacy every time I was working on an IRB approved human experiment the subjects were coded to keep their privacy protected.
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/nissenba..._wal_full.html
http://www.aaas.org/spp/sfrl/projects/intres/main.htm
http://www.allacademic.com//meta/p_m...5/p21435-1.php
http://www.ecscw.org/2005/paper15.pdf
http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=...2004-11287-003
http://www.springerlink.com/content/ql7770203m351763/
http://ejbo.jyu.fi/pdf/ejbo_vol10_no1_pages_35-41.pdf
This is taken from Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) 46.102
(f) Human subject means a living individual about whom an investigator (whether professional or student) conducting research obtains
(1) Data through intervention or interaction with the individual, or
(2) Identifiable private information.
Intervention includes both physical procedures by which data are gathered (for example, venipuncture) and manipulations of the subject or the subject's environment that are performed for research purposes. Interaction includes communication or interpersonal contact between investigator and subject. Private information includes information about behavior that occurs in a context in which an individual can reasonably expect that no observation or recording is taking place, and information which has been provided for specific purposes by an individual and which the individual can reasonably expect will not be made public (for example, a medical record). Private information must be individually identifiable (i.e., the identity of the subject is or may readily be ascertained by the investigator or associated with the information) in order for obtaining the information to constitute research involving human subjects.
From CFR 46.111 Criteria for IRB approval of research.
(a) In order to approve research covered by this policy the IRB shall determine that all of the following requirements are satisfied:
(1) Risks to subjects are minimized: (i) By using procedures which are consistent with sound research design and which do not unnecessarily expose subjects to risk, and (ii) whenever appropriate, by using procedures already being performed on the subjects for diagnostic or treatment purposes.
(2) Risks to subjects are reasonable in relation to anticipated benefits, if any, to subjects, and the importance of the knowledge that may reasonably be expected to result. In evaluating risks and benefits, the IRB should consider only those risks and benefits that may result from the research (as distinguished from risks and benefits of therapies subjects would receive even if not participating in the research). The IRB should not consider possible long-range effects of applying knowledge gained in the research (for example, the possible effects of the research on public policy) as among those research risks that fall within the purview of its responsibility.
(3) Selection of subjects is equitable. In making this assessment the IRB should take into account the purposes of the research and the setting in which the research will be conducted and should be particularly cognizant of the special problems of research involving vulnerable populations, such as children, prisoners, pregnant women, mentally disabled persons, or economically or educationally disadvantaged persons.
(4) Informed consent will be sought from each prospective subject or the subject's legally authorized representative, in accordance with, and to the extent required by §46.116.
(5) Informed consent will be appropriately documented, in accordance with, and to the extent required by §46.117.
(6) When appropriate, the research plan makes adequate provision for monitoring the data collected to ensure the safety of subjects.
(7) When appropriate, there are adequate provisions to protect the privacy of subjects and to maintain the confidentiality of data.
He never would have gotten IRB approval.
I like the opening statement from the first link "The widespread use of the Internet provides new vantage points from which to observe conventional behavior, views of new kinds of behavior, and new tools with which to observe it all. Accompanying these opportunities come two specific concerns about research approaches: how new research methods using the Internet may or may not affect the ethical protections to which human subjects are entitled, and the validity of data collected using the Internet. In some cases, these issues converge: Presuming that research must hold promise of advancing knowledge in order to justify any intrusion on human subjects, Dr. Jeffrey Cohen of the U.S. National Institutes of Healths (NIH) former Office for Protection from Research Risks is quoted as saying, "Research that is invalid has no benefit
(a)nd if theres no benefit at all, any inconvenience to subjects isnt worth it" (Azar, 2000, p. 51). "
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I've not yet had the pleasure of serving on an IRB, nor have I sought IRB approval for any human subject research. Perhaps you could clarify why you believe that Professor Myers wouldn't have been able to obtain approval. After all, if the problem is privacy, all it would take is anonymization of the data, such as replacing character, super-group, and server names with placeholders, to render the players he mentions anonymous.
Naphil, 50 Peacebringer
Captain Darkspirit, 50 Warshade
Operative Acier, 50 Bane Spider
Durante Ragno, 50 Fortunata
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Risk vs reward ratio look at the other criteria. He would have to have informed consent from all the "test subjects" , then and this was quite possible if any of the subjects were minors he would need informed consent from the parent. The whole fact that he verbally "baited" people and/or irritated them brings up the "harm" issue for the IRB board.
Then there is the experimental design and population he choose which is a very limited and unknown sample.
I am not sure how Informed Consent is done for the social sciences but for biological/medical research it is needed prior to the experiment start.
Taken from space nut's post in city life for the sociologist perspective he quotes a section from :
STATEMENTS ON ETHICS
Principles of Professional Responsibility
Adopted by the Council of the American Anthropological Association
http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/ethstmnt.htm
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a. Where research involves the acquisition of material and information transferred on the assumption of trust between persons, it is axiomatic that the rights, interests, and sensitivities of those studied must be safeguarded.
b. The aims of the investigation should be communicated as well as possible to the informant.
c. Informants have a right to remain anonymous. This right should be respected both where it has been promised explicitly and where no clear understanding to the contrary has been reached. These strictures apply to the collection of data by means of cameras, tape recorders, and other data-gathering devices, as well as to data collected in face-to-face interviews or in participant observation. Those being studied should understand the capacities of such devices; they should be free to reject them if they wish; and if they accept them, the results obtained should be consonant with the informant's right to welfare, dignity and privacy.
(1) Despite every effort being made to preserve anonymity, it should be made clear to informants that such anonymity may be compromised unintentionally.
(2) When professionals or others have used pseudonyms to maintain anonymity, others should respect this decision and the reasons for it by not revealing indiscriminately the true identity of such committees, persons or other data.
d. There should be no exploitation of individual informants for personal gain. Fair return should be given them for all services.
e. There is an obligation to reflect on the foreseeable repercussions of research and publication on the general population being studied.
f. The anticipated consequences of research should be communicated as fully as possible to the individuals and groups likely to be affected.
g. In accordance with the Association's general position on clandestine and secret research, no reports should be provided to sponsors that are not also available to the general public and, where practicable, to the population studied.
h. Every effort should be exerted to cooperate with members of the host society in the planning and execution of research projects.
i. All of the above points should be acted upon in full recognition of the social and cultural pluralism of host societies and the consequent plurality of values, interests and demands in those societies. This diversity complicates choice making in research, but ignoring it leads to irresponsible decisions.
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The priciple of the protection of the human subject is similar to the CFR i sited earlier.
It's about the ethics to me, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
Playing by the rules is a weird way to justify being a jerk. The backlash didn't come from his creative tactics ... everyone can teleport an opponent in a bunch of mobs ... that doesn't make you skilled ...
Being as annoying as the rules will allow is by definition playing within the rules ... but it is also being annoying ... and if you are annoying enough and for a long enough time ... people will react. They will attempt to change your behavior. They will try because most of the time it is all it takes for people to get the hint. Now if you are doing a social experiment and not reacting to the pressure ... you are then changing the "society" you are trying to study ... thefore making the experiment pointless ... by not "taking the hint" he created a new "sport" or "game" ... which can then snowball into anything depending on how far people decide to take it.
Anyhoo ... that is a "study" and reflects in no way the game or its players ... he just happened to pick this game because he liked playing it and happened to be "good" at it (from what he boasts!).
Still an interesting read ...
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He didn't anger people by PvPing; he angered people by griefing in PvP zones (TP Droning, etc). He engaged in various "no in-game reward" behaviors that didn't violate offical rules.
Normal PvP is usually fairly friendly...."fairly".....there's plenty of light, good natured ribbing although there's plenty of not-so-light not-so-good natured broadcast pvp, too.
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See PvP is a beast in its own way and getting familiar to what is "normal" in PvP is not that easy for a non-pvp at heart. In this "other game" I got conned into moving to a PvP server by some friends and I regret it to this day. But in time I have learned what is code of ethics in PvP. That and that there are actually 2 codes ... hehe ... those that react to your actions and those that will kill ya because they can ... oh and there are the idiots that do it for no apparent reason ... our good doctor would fall under the 3rd category (no code of ethics)
Anyway just wanted to say that learning to run in a PvP crowd without being frustrated all the time takes some getting used to.
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Oh, Ghost, I'm WELL aware of the guidelines, as I've had to follow them a number of times.
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