Really, really cheap.
Get some Defense/Rech IOs and stick em in Mind Link. Get Hasten and three slot it. Grab pool Maneuvers, slot it. Also get and slot TT:M and Foresight. Grab Mental Training. Finally, get a couple cheap +rech bonuses, about 15-20% should do.
BAM! Perma Mind-Link, and instant softcapped defense. All before level 30.
Wow, I figured Perma-Mind Link might be necessary, but I thought it'd take more rech bonuses than that. (not a math guy, obviously =P)
Thanks for the help!
i'm at about 38% to ranged/aoe and already softcapped melee, level 45, using only regular SO's. with mindlink 'm overcapped. it's not expensive, just have to build correctly.
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Sprinkle recharge to get ML perma, with (easier) or without (harder) Hasten.
Use CJ or Hover (doesn't even need to be slotted).
My Widow sits on 47%+ DEF to all when hide-suppressed. It wasn't too hard to hit, or very expensive.
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I personally find going the perma Mind Link route to be pointless. Using just set bonuses with Foresight and Combat Training: Defense, I am at 42 to melee and ranged and with Mask and Manuevers im well over the cap.
There really is no expense involved in capping Night Widows sans Mind Link or Hasten for that matter.
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I'll bet your teammates would appreciate perma-ML.
Wow. I never thought about that.
I'm so used to my Fortunata being the consumate teammate and my Night Widow being the assassin who really only cares about herself, I never thought about it like that.
When I am on my Fortunata I am constantly telling people to gather for Mind Link, but on my Night Widow I only use Mlnd Link when I need it to make up the difference on a defense debuff (fighting Positron, KoA, etc) so I don't really use it that much since she is capped without it.
I will have to take your thought into account and see about making it perma now.
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I personally find going the perma Mind Link route to be pointless. Using just set bonuses with Foresight and Combat Training: Defense, I am at 42 to melee and ranged and with Mask and Manuevers im well over the cap.
There really is no expense involved in capping Night Widows sans Mind Link or Hasten for that matter.
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It should only take about 40% global recharge to hit perma ML, with Hasten cycling. And 20% of that comes from an auto power you already get anyway. It's not very expensive to perma ML.
And probably a better investment in the long run than slotting for defense bonuses with IOs. If you slot for +DEF bonuses, you can hit 45%. But if you slot for recharge, you can still hit 45%, plus have powers like Placate, Build Up, and your attacks all coming up more often. My widow is currently sitting on about 52% global recharge and loving it.
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Finally got two sets of Mako in my Widow so far (all I could afford) and I have Mind Link with like 10 sec downtime. With Mind Link my melee defense is at about 55% and range is at 52%, it does feel pretty good to kow that the NPCs have to be real lucky to hit you.
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I personally find going the perma Mind Link route to be pointless. Using just set bonuses with Foresight and Combat Training: Defense, I am at 42 to melee and ranged and with Mask and Manuevers im well over the cap.
There really is no expense involved in capping Night Widows sans Mind Link or Hasten for that matter.
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It should only take about 40% global recharge to hit perma ML, with Hasten cycling. And 20% of that comes from an auto power you already get anyway. It's not very expensive to perma ML.
And probably a better investment in the long run than slotting for defense bonuses with IOs. If you slot for +DEF bonuses, you can hit 45%. But if you slot for recharge, you can still hit 45%, plus have powers like Placate, Build Up, and your attacks all coming up more often. My widow is currently sitting on about 52% global recharge and loving it.
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On my Night Widow its not an issue. I don't even worry much about Mind Link because she capped without it. When I team on her I don't really worry too much about buffing other people because I am normally at the forefront of the group handing death with a sideorder of pain.
Until the other person made their comment I hadn't worried about it on my Fortunata either because again she is capped, but after reading their comment I actually decided to change slotting in one power to get more recharge so now Mind Link is only down for like 10 seconds meaning the team doesn't have to wait long for more defense.
I don't take Placate because I find it useless to be honest. I can understand taking it on a Stalker, but not a Night Widow and I don't do Build Up because I love Follow Up and its a more consistent damage buff.
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I don't take Placate because I find it useless to be honest. I can understand taking it on a Stalker, but not a Night Widow and I don't do Build Up because I love Follow Up and its a more consistent damage buff. [/color]
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My Widow deals a lot of AoE death and build up and placate are good for that. Open up with Build up --> Eviscrate --> Placate --> Spin, doing that correctly kills mobs quick and you won't even need to follow up, however, for longer battles with EBs your tactics are good, but to eaches own.
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I can see the use of your methods, however I too deal good amount of aoe damage from all the buffs I have from my team and my set bonuses etc so Follow Up is better for me than Build Up. I also open with Spin for the aoe crit and after that I step back to hit them with Psychic Scream, then I just clean up the little bit left over.
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On my Night Widow its not an issue. I don't even worry much about Mind Link because she capped without it.
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Yeah, but my point was, instead of using up sets for +DEF, you could just work to perma ML, which is a small investment, and benefits ALL your powers with bonus recharge. And without needing to dip into all the +DEF bonuses, you can focus on other things. For instance, my Widow has capped DEF plus +38.5% damage bonus plus a bunch of procs and 52.25% global recharge (still building up more so I have less gaps in my chain).
Like... why build for +DEF when building for +RECH gives you that +DEF too?
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while we are talking about widows, is pyschic scream worth taking? Ive seen alot of mixed reviews about it.
My Night Widow isn't just built for +defense though. She has capped defense, +65% global recharge (not includng Hasten), +43% accuracy, and +57.5% damage. I only said that I didn't build for perma Mind Link because I find it pointless on a Night Widow, but that did not stop me from making sure her other powers are also maximized as much as possible.
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Would this then mean that elude would add no defense bonus?
I think elude has been bringing me above this level.
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Would this then mean that elude would add no defense bonus?
I think elude has been bringing me above this level.
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i use elude for the endurance regen and it helps to be above 45% defense against purple mobs.
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whats the global rech needed for ML to be perma on a night widow, how bout a fortunata?
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whats the global rech needed for ML to be perma on a night widow, how bout a fortunata?
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Here is the link to the other thread you started which asks the same question and was answered already.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat....e=1&fpart=1
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Would this then mean that elude would add no defense bonus?
I think elude has been bringing me above this level.
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Once you hit the 45% cap it doesn't matter how much defense you have over that amount the chance to hit still remains the same. Running Elude if you are already capped just means that you have a larger cushion in the event you fight enemies that debuff your defense and drop you under 45%
If you are soft capped without Elude you are basically running around as though you have perma Elude minus the +spd and +recov.
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I think elude has been bringing me above this level.
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i use elude for the endurance regen and it helps to be above 45% defense against purple mobs.
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It doesn't really matter if they are purple or not because defense works the same for anything with in 5 levels.
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Would this then mean that elude would add no defense bonus?
I think elude has been bringing me above this level.
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Once you hit the 45% cap it doesn't matter how much defense you have over that amount the chance to hit still remains the same. Running Elude if you are already capped just means that you have a larger cushion in the event you fight enemies that debuff your defense and drop you under 45%
If you are soft capped without Elude you are basically running around as though you have perma Elude minus the +spd and +recov.
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I think elude has been bringing me above this level.
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It doesn't really matter if they are purple or not because defense works the same for anything with in 5 levels.
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And if it's above 5 levels, well you shouldn't be fighting it since your barely hurting it.
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I think elude has been bringing me above this level.
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If you're already at or above 45% defense, the +def granted by Elude will be completely worthless against any mobs up to 7 levels above you. If you check enemy tohit rolls against you, even fighting even-level foes, you'll notice that despite 45+% defense, some enemies will still have more than a 5% chance to hit you. Minions, as a general rule, have standard accuracy so it's rare that (barring +tohit or -def) you'll see a hit roll greater than 5%. Lieutenants and bosses have a higher base accuracy on their attacks so they'll hit more often than 5% of the time. Accuracy bonuses increase as the enemies' relative level to you increases, to the point where enemies more than 7 levels above you have a tohit bonus. This accuracy bonus scaling is one way to ensure parity between defense and resistance sets with respect to higher-level or higher-rank enemies (just as bosses, or higher-level minions, will do more damage to a resist-based set, they'll have a greater chance to hit through your defenses on defense-based set).
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I'd add that there are some mobs out there that can still hit you hard and often even if you have soft-capped defenses, due to high +To Hit and/or +Accuracy (Malta Gunslingers and Rularuu Watchers come to mind) and some non-positional attacks (usually found in psi attacks).
Oh yeah, hate Rularuu watchers. They can hit an eluding scrapper with over 100% defense.
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So I just got my Widow to level 24, and went down the Night Widow path. What I was wondering is how expensive will it be to softcap ALL defense down the road? Do I need Weave? Any sets in particular? And any advice is highly appreciated.