Thugs/Pain, Thugs/Storm, or Thugs/Dark ... you see a pattern here? Thugs have a strong bit of everything. Punks deliver LOTS of Knockdown, Enforcers basically make everyone better and lay lots of strafing firepower, the Arsonist is a Fire-damage MASTER, and the Bruiser ... I'm reminded of a line from Alien Resurrection, "Hey, you the mechanic! I mostly just HURT PEOPLE!"
Dark gives you some SCARY powers and controls. Storm is a debuff machine with a nice dose of chaos. Pain takes what you got, and cranks the volume ... and theres nothing more awesome than a Bruiser on a Pain Bringer Binge.
As for the Moonwalk, well thats between you and Recently Deceased. I WILL miss him.
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Roll Bots/Traps.
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Go. Moonwalk.
If you plan to team- Bots/Dark- they're all about the AoE. The more meat you can get in front of their guns, the better.
If you plan to solo- Thug, Ninja or maybe Necro/Dark.
Man, I love Dark.
EDIT- oh, if you REALLY wanna solo AVs, you will probably want /Poison. I've never played one, but I'd imagine Ninja/Poison would be brutal on AVs. Single target crits + overwhelming ST debuffs.
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So does this mean my level 22 Thugs/Traps is gonna suck more then my 43 Mercs/Traps does?
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So does this mean my level 22 Thugs/Traps is gonna suck more then my 43 Mercs/Traps does?
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It's gonna be way better. Stick with it.
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I'd go with Thugs or Bots as the primary, coupled with Dark, Storm, or Traps. Pain or Poison are good secondaries as well but Pain lacks a lot of debuff to take down AVs easily (but it's solid against large mobs), and Poison is single-target oriented which makes it a bit weaker against your everyday PvE mobs (that being said, it's a beast for AV soloing).
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Thugs/Dark...
I just got "fluffy" and MAN the class/combo is soooo damn easy its not even funny..
I thought */Brutes were easy mode..not-even-close
Edit- My MM is a "Wu Tang Clan" theme
His name Ole Diry BAsT$$$d and all his Thugs are members of DA Wu Tang Clan Rap group. MY Rp (natural origin) is all his Dark Powas are result of him hitting da Mary Jane and he uses Jump pack/10k Jetpack to get around 
It sounds to me like you want a bots/dark. It's an absolute beast. Once you hit lvl 38, you're golden. It wipes mobs away in seconds and can handle almost anything. I've soloed multiple AVs on mine, just check my sig (hasn't been updated with my more recent pics, though). /Dark gives more than enough -regen, -res, and -tohit for you to be able to take down AVs with no worry. Heck, with some AVs i can just set my debuffs up, put bg mode on, and walk away for a few minutes to grab a snack.
Really, try out this combo. I promise you won't be disappointed!
*edit* Oh, and as an added bonus, it requires little to no IOs to be successful.
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They sparkle and shine when the sun is out,
but when the darkness sets in their true beauty is revealed only if there is
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At 49, my thugs/traps could solo many AVs (that are also 49), with a load of blues to keep a web grenade lockdown in progress (can't do both that and keep up the other traps, and yes I have stamina). Maybe some "One Hundred...billion" dollar build could do it. 
Anyway, that worked until I hit Ms. Liberty. Ok, she might as well be Statesman, but her health regen was way too fast. I could get her down maybe 5-10% in the same period of time that I killed other AVs. But traps just didn't debuff regen enough (or at all? I just threw everything I had at her) to be able to make headway except at a ridiculously slow pace.
So /traps is good, but possibly not the best for AVs by itself, in certain instances. Web grenade lockdown isn't the end-all of soloing AVs.
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On a lighter note:
/broadcast Ms. Liberty mission looking for people
doesn't have too many problems getting takers!
"Hey! You knocked generic cola all over your precious D20 books!"
ED: Now I know how Nancy Kerrigan felt: "Why...?!? Why...?!?"
Ms. Liberty has an initial 50% resistance to lethal if I remember correctly.
So long as you keep Acid Mortar up enough you should be good (and if you have an Achillies Heel dropped into either your mortar or enforcers you're golden).
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Ms. Liberty has an initial 50% resistance to lethal if I remember correctly.
So long as you keep Acid Mortar up enough you should be good (and if you have an Achillies Heel dropped into either your mortar or enforcers you're golden).
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ms libery was nothing to my thugs/traps and that was before i had io's.
here's my 5 step easy method for pve godhood
1: make any mastermind
2: level to 40
3: get some io sets
4: ???
5: profit
Ok...so now Im wondering...
Bots/Dark or Thugs/Dark...mmmm...
Cant do traps did them before the villians cap was 50 and got tired of it
Both are going to be great in the end, so choose whichever primary is most appealing to you. Like I said before, bots would be my number one choice. That was the primary that drew me in to MMs. I've leveled thugs to 50 too, but nothing will ever match the pure awesome-sauce that is bots/dark. Nothing beats setting them to aggressive and watching the lightshow!
"People are like stained-glass windows.
They sparkle and shine when the sun is out,
but when the darkness sets in their true beauty is revealed only if there is
light from within"
Take it from me, go Bots/Dark.
Bots, Fluffy and you yourself will debuff enemy damage to hell.
I say bots/traps. Dark doesnt have hold and disorient protection for yourself, and your main -dam and -tohitt debuff will get knocked off every time u get mezzed. With bots having heals, u having repair, and also having triage beacon, the bots last a long time. As well, trip mines can add a ton of damage. And acid mortar with a couple damage procs will actually start taking a bit of aggro. It also does -def, and PGA does -regen. Everything u need basically.
Bots/traps.
I've looked at thugs/traps builds and they don't mesh as well as Bots/traps, and your bots are ranged. GOTO them to a spot and let them pick away at the av while you tank the av out of aoe range.
And whereas the Bruiser will rush INTO aoe range and DIE repeatedly, your Assault Bot will stay out of aoe range, fire -regen bolts of plasma , and does energy damage vs smash/lethal.
/Dark is great but it requires ALOT of end to run your -dmg/-acc toggle and your group heal is accuracy based and requires your guys to be ALOT closer to the av then you'd like.
Am I saying thugs or dark can't solo avs? No. I am saying bots/traps is optimal for steam rolling through the game. I was level 46 a few days ago tankerminding level 50 mobs for my VG a few days ago and I've soloed 17 avs/heroes.
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/Dark is great but it requires ALOT of end to run your -dmg/-acc toggle and your group heal is accuracy based and requires your guys to be ALOT closer to the av then you'd like.
Am I saying thugs or dark can't solo avs? No. I am saying bots/traps is optimal for steam rolling through the game. I was level 46 a few days ago tankerminding level 50 mobs for my VG a few days ago and I've soloed 17 avs/heroes.
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I say bots/traps. Dark doesnt have hold and disorient protection for yourself, and your main -dam and -tohitt debuff will get knocked off every time u get mezzed.
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While I know that you're just saying that /traps is better, I just want to correct one thing so that MM newbies reading this don't get the wrong impression of dark/.
The lack of mez protection is really not such a big issue when you are constantly softcapped to positionals, s/l, or whatever. Also, although I had expected otherwise, the end usage of my bots/dark is very good. I have very few set bonuses, and even before them it was no problem. I've never had to pop a blue during AV fights.
Oh, and, as to Twilight Grasp, you actually don't compromise any defense to use it. What I mean is that it is easy and safe to use. If you position fluffy well, your bots will have no health issues and you can stick with just using TG as a debuff/self heal when necessary.
But, you are probably right. Bots/traps is VERY good at AV and GM soloing. But, bots/dark is much better in the general PVE game than /traps will be. I think of bots/dark as more of a jack of all trades. Great at melting mobs away, debuffs, damage, and AV soloing. (imo of course)
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They sparkle and shine when the sun is out,
but when the darkness sets in their true beauty is revealed only if there is
light from within"
Hello all. I'm thinking of building an MM (Have never really played redside before).
I want a toon that is a walking apocalypse as far as PvE goes. I want to solo AV's, annihilate mobs, do the moonwalk....everything.
What do you guys suggest?
Thanks!