New Doms
And you also forget that a psi em has massive range. You should have them half dead before they get into attacking range.
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And you also forget that a psi em has massive range. You should have them half dead before they get into attacking range.
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Oh yes, and that lol, thanks
Totally forgot about how sickening Boost Range is, and it's a power that Dom's have absolutely NO access to at all.
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Dominator Damage: 1179 damage
Blaster Damage: 1711
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You call that a small difference? A 532 pt damage difference is a small difference to you? That's over half a GRAND worth of damage difference man, that's not a small difference. So it's not an "Although it [u]'appears'[u] as though the Blaster does more damage" case. It's not "appears as though" it's DEFINATELY does lmao! The Blaster (in your example) DEFINATELY does more damage! LOL! Seriously man.
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Never said doms did MORE damage, just pointing out that while the dom IS attacking the Opposing side CAN NOT ATTACK.
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1. the blaster is prolly not in melee range
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Why is the Blaster probably "not" in melee range? Just because? Just because he, eh, doesn't feel like it? Or is there a real reason other than the fact that your trying to make your stance seem valid? He'll be in melee range if he's smart.
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If hes in melee range with a dom, its over, dom hits confuse, blaster sits there FOR 7-8 SECONDS unable to use their main mitigation: Damage
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The enemy hasnt thrown anything, which can be a damage debuff ect
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Dom's don't have Damage Debuffs, that's Corruptors and MM's. Try again.
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This is again illustrating how the dom has an advantage, he can put out all that damage BEFORE being hit by the debuff
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WHile your taking the damage from the dom YOU *CAN'T* fight back,
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Uhm...Blasters CAN still use their first tier damage attacks....which can be/are ranged....so yea...they can fight back, and they have a bit better survivability as well (more HP, better Epics).
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All blasters have on a dom in survivability IS hoarfrost, BUT the dom also has a resist shield instead of the defense the blasters are forced to take.
A BLASTER CANNOT ATTACK WHILE CONFUSED, end of story, also they cant attack while in KB/KD, end of story
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on the other hand u can fight back while under the blasters attack.
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Oh really? And why is that? Just because the Dom decides to attack? Don't forget, Blasters DO have access to KB's and Holds as well....very good KB's and Holds at that. I've discussed this earlier as well. Blasters can achieve some pretty darn impressive mezzing power when they pair /Energy's Power Boost with any Hold, especially Ancillary Pool holds...or even simply a well slotted Total Focus: insta-stun+Massive Damage. Even Psi Assault, which was your VERY example has some VERY good "mezzing" ability packed within it, and heck, you even paired it with /Energy.
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Look at it, both sides have access to PB, and a blaster usually will not get into melee BECAUSE the dom doesnt want it to happen, and the dom has the controls to make that happen. BOTH OF THE BLASTERS POTENT MEZS ARE IN MELEE, which is in range of EVERY SINGLE MEZ/MITIGATION the dom has.
aswell as its in range of the DOMS heavy hitters.
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Also, last I checked there is such thing as mez suppression, which means there's no such thing as chain holding anymore. Furthermore, if the Blaster is worth his salt in pvp (and we must assume that he is if we are assuming the dominator is as well), he has Acro+Mez reduction IO's, which will help to severely drop the duration for which a hold will last on you, even when Power Boosted. There is also KB supression, which will keep KB's from being chained as well.
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KB and KD are different suppressions, also I didnt count the hold duriation as a time where the blaster is unable to attack, hes held and slept with dominate and mesmerize WHILE CONFUSED, confuse resistance from TACTICS(90%) drops a PBed Confuse from 10-11 secs to 8-9, i dropped another second to factor in mez resist IOs
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Basically, had you actually put some thought into your response and not tried to simply be blatantly biased, you would have never made the response in the first place.
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Im above this
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And you also forget that a psi em has massive range. You should have them half dead before they get into attacking range.
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Boost range Psi/EM max attack chain =
Assuming BU/Aim is already going
Psi dart+mental blast+will dom+tk thrust
1794 BASE(Before Resistances)
1076 After 40% resistance
897 after 75% resistance
Now the total activation time for this attack chain is about 6 seconds, now assuming that the blaster is running away, he might get away with a few more attacks, but if he is, like dark suggests, running toward the dom, he gets locked down prolly before this entire chain is done.
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Can we get a numbers check of firey assault dom side and fire blast blaster set? I would do it now but my internet connection is weak. If i get to a good place before someone posts the numbers i will post them.
Hypothetical;
Mind/Nrg, 2 knocks that can be used in succession, PB confuse, PBed Hold and huge damage vs a FotM Psi/EM/Cold. NOW lets give each KB a 2 second "get up" time. Facing a blaster, who can attack through hold/sleep/stun, PB Confuse= 7-8 second; Knockdown 2 seconds (Not sure exact time); Knockup 2 seconds.
NOW using I13 numbers, during the confuse only i can put down around 700ish damage.
Now as i understand the numbers are a bit more then having domination on with I13 numbers: 950 damage.
NOW thats only if the dom uses TF + Dominate + Mezmerise + Levitate. Thats in about 8 ish seconds now levitate at the end adds anouther 1-2 seconds to the time where nothing can really do anything. Lets add powerburst to the end; 1179 damage. in 10 seconds. these damage numbers are prolly way low, and this is situation a NO DR SITUATION 40% base resist accounted for.
The said Blaster would die in the next cycle.
Now, the best and quickest burst damage is a Psi/EM for blasters:
Attacks :::AIM+BU+WILL DOM+TK BLAST+Mental Blast
Activation Time:::1.17|1.17| 1.1 | 1 | 1.67
+Bone Smasher+Total Focus
1.5 | 3.3 |
Damage after 40% resist: 1711
Activation time: 10.9
NOW while blasters might look to have the better side of the damage;1. the blaster is prolly not in melee range 2. The enemy hasnt thrown anything, which can be a damage debuff ect. WHile your taking the damage from the dom YOU *CAN'T* fight back, on the other hand u can fight back while under the blasters attack.
PS Damage calculations are probably a little low, but the base reason *why* the AT is OP should be rather apparent.
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Omg...wow, that was the biggest piece of "hypothetical" garbage I've read yet LMAO! Wow.
Lets, assume that, "hypocthetically", the Blaster just sits there and does nothing but sticks his thumb in his ear as the Dominator is attacking him. I think the Dominator would win, which is hypothetically and quite CLEARLY OP, because a Blaster should be able to beat a Dominator even when he's AFK, so with our above situation, something is definately borked.
[u]Bottom Line:[u] Blasters should be able to stand there AFK and outdamage a Dominator. Furthermore, a Dominator should not be able to outdamage a Blasters passive regen rate.
.....lol
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Resorting to incoherent nonsense is a response to having ones arguement reduced to rubble, don't feel bad dark, i doubt we will hate each other in the morning.
If you want to *discuss* something rationally, try, i tried, and well, what u did isn't rational .
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What you did wasn't rational.
First, you took completely "hypothetical" damage figures, and on top of that added completely "hypothetical" scenarios which would only work in your favor:
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NOW while blasters might look to have the better side of the damage
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Ok, I realize you are using your "hypothetical" numbers, but even with THOSE, look at how biased you are:
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Dominator Damage: 1179 damage
Blaster Damage: 1711
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You call that a small difference? A 532 pt damage difference is a small difference to you? That's over half a GRAND worth of damage difference man, that's not a small difference. So it's not an "Although it [u]'appears'[u] as though the Blaster does more damage" case. It's not "appears as though" it's DEFINATELY does lmao! The Blaster (in your example) DEFINATELY does more damage! LOL! Seriously man.
But it gets better:
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1. the blaster is prolly not in melee range
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Why is the Blaster probably "not" in melee range? Just because? Just because he, eh, doesn't feel like it? Or is there a real reason other than the fact that your trying to make your stance seem valid? He'll be in melee range if he's smart.
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The enemy hasnt thrown anything, which can be a damage debuff ect
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Dom's don't have Damage Debuffs, that's Corruptors and MM's. Try again.
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WHile your taking the damage from the dom YOU *CAN'T* fight back,
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Uhm...Blasters CAN still use their first tier damage attacks....which can be/are ranged....so yea...they can fight back, and they have a bit better survivability as well (more HP, better Epics).
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on the other hand u can fight back while under the blasters attack.
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Oh really? And why is that? Just because the Dom decides to attack? Don't forget, Blasters DO have access to KB's and Holds as well....very good KB's and Holds at that. I've discussed this earlier as well. Blasters can achieve some pretty darn impressive mezzing power when they pair /Energy's Power Boost with any Hold, especially Ancillary Pool holds...or even simply a well slotted Total Focus: insta-stun+Massive Damage. Even Psi Assault, which was your VERY example has some VERY good "mezzing" ability packed within it, and heck, you even paired it with /Energy..
Also, last I checked there is such thing as mez suppression, which means there's no such thing as chain holding anymore. Furthermore, if the Blaster is worth his salt in pvp (and we must assume that he is if we are assuming the dominator is as well), he has Acro+Mez reduction IO's, which will help to severely drop the duration for which a hold will last on you, even when Power Boosted. There is also KB supression, which will keep KB's from being chained as well.
Basically, had you actually put some thought into your response and not tried to simply be blatantly biased, you would have never made the response in the first place.