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Warshade: Triform the only way?

AlienOne

By AlienOne,
Posted on: 2009-06-08 06:27 in Kheldians

 

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nova offers... what, exactly?

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The most damage.

[/ QUOTE ]Not distributed in a significant enough way to give a damn, if you're playing on a Lv50 IO'ed Warshade build!

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I wouldn't've said anything if you gave your opinion like that.

I believe that a Kheldian Gold Standard should be based on SO's, and for anything above that... there's Platinum!

Save Ms. Liberty (#5349) � Augmenting Peacebringers � The Umbra Illuminati

 

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Gee, [censored], silly me thinking I could offer my opinion based on my experience. Never mind, I'll just be going and sitting in the corner, then.

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Totally forgiven.

The life of the elitist is so challenging, is it not?

 

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Can't forget you also get mez protection in Black Dwarf.

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This is of particular importance. Toggling on Dwarf form acts as a sort of Break Free due to the form's inherent mez protection. Even if you don't slot the powers it grants you, this effect will drastically improve your performance.

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Tell me about it. This here is how I've survived many a freak tank with twin hammer arms.

"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern." Lord Acton

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nova offers... what, exactly?

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The most damage.

[/ QUOTE ]Not distributed in a significant enough way to give a damn.

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In the situations where you're fighting a single target for long time periods, Nova trumps human form. Once the Essences drop and you've got only one mob to Mire off of, even though the Human form is still fun, cool looking, and relatively viable at that point... Nova is more efficient.

This, among some other situations that I might be able to list if I wasn't sneaking on here at work, sure makes ME give a damn... but people are different. Totally fair opinion you've got there.

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And don't forget my favorite tactic tri-form warshade gives you.

Step one: Transform into a black dwarf
Step two: teleport into the middle of a large group
Step three: black dwarf mire
Step four: transform back to human
Step five: mire
Step six: Jump back out of spawn while transforming to nova
Step seven: DESTROY!
Step eight: stygian circle to recover your lost stamina/health now that the majority or all of the enemy group is dead.

This takes just a few short seconds. And when you pull it off 8 man teams have to pick their jaws up off the floor.

"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern." Lord Acton

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It works even better when you use keybinds to shift to Human and execute Sunless Mire at the same time, and once you throw Eclipse in... well, you know...

I believe that a Kheldian Gold Standard should be based on SO's, and for anything above that... there's Platinum!

Save Ms. Liberty (#5349) � Augmenting Peacebringers � The Umbra Illuminati

 

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I have my human form macros set up to turn on the smash/lethal resistance shield. That way I take less damage during my TP attack. Only flaw in the strategy is when something lands a hold or stun on me while in dwarf. I never notice the icon, so go back to human form pre-mezzed. It's a very fun tactic.

I either cause the entire team to go "WTF?!" after I wipe out an 8 man spawn, or I die horribly. Either way the battle (for me) is over in seconds.

My warshade's search comment?

"You know what this team needs? More aggro! That's right, warshade and loving it!"

"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern." Lord Acton

Madam Enigma's History

 

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nova offers... what, exactly?

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The most damage.

[/ QUOTE ]Not distributed in a significant enough way to give a damn, if you're playing on a Lv50 IO'ed Warshade build!

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I wouldn't've said anything if you gave your opinion like that.

[/ QUOTE ]*shrugs* Nova offers 'the most damage.' That's meaningless when you're self-capping your damage and ST Dpsing your way through bosses. I can't imagine how going Nova for the three seconds you'd get to do anything with it is a meaningful change except in that it forces you to then maneuver to a new location to leverage the damage.

"The most damage" is meaningless when a step downward you can get "enough damage."

 

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You know, when I described your comments in this thread to my wife, her response was, and I quote: "what Warshade is he playing?".

With this comment that you've made:

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That's meaningless when you're self-capping your damage and ST Dpsing your way through bosses. I can't imagine how going Nova for the three seconds you'd get to do anything with it is a meaningful change except in that it forces you to then maneuver to a new location to leverage the damage.

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I must agree with her... are we even talking about the same class here?!

I believe that a Kheldian Gold Standard should be based on SO's, and for anything above that... there's Platinum!

Save Ms. Liberty (#5349) � Augmenting Peacebringers � The Umbra Illuminati

 

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I know, and that's why I usually go: Black Dwarf Mire -> Eclipse -> Sunless Mire -> Dark Nova -> Dark Nova Emanation -> Gravitic Emanation -> Gravity Well -> Shadow Blast -> Unchain Essence -> Dark Extraction -> Stygian Circle -> Black Dwarf and rinse repeat when required.

You know, after reading what you wrote here about Dark Nova, this may shed a light on your point of view:

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[u]Dark Nova[u]
I have a Nova build for Carceri, but it's barely socketed. I don't really feel the same appeal to the Nova as I do on my real ranged, area damage dealers. Hopping between a controlling blaster and a scranker is more fun to me than from a controlling blaster to a non-controlling blaster.

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From the quote above, I see that we view Dark Nova quite differently. I view it as an excellent platform to launch ranged attacks from while you seem to consider it a non-controlling blaster. I think the trick to using Nova, in either Kheldian AT, is to know when, and how to use it, and when not to. I thought that was what TriForming was all about, you know...?

I believe that a Kheldian Gold Standard should be based on SO's, and for anything above that... there's Platinum!

Save Ms. Liberty (#5349) � Augmenting Peacebringers � The Umbra Illuminati

 

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My trip to Triform...

Once upon a time, my WS was Human/Dwarf. Human form was for killing... Dwarf form was for killing when mezzers were around. Perfect synergy. But somewhere in my 30's, I just wanted more slots! I needed to really dive into all of those nifty Human form powers. And so... Human-only I became.

While the loss of my purple lobster was a great blow to my heart, my Essences were there to wipe away my tears... and all the way to 50, we travelled together. Sometime thereafter, the SG and I were hitting a lot of AV's and GM's. During those longer fights, my Essences would get bored and leave me, and without fresh corpses around, I couldn't pull them back. (Oh, how painful it always was when I would lift a nice dead body off of the ground, but as soon as the Essence began to form, the body would disappear, leaving me with a long cooldown and nothing to show for it...)

In addition, blasting away without the number of foes necessary for capping my damage or corpses to refill my red and blue bars got to be quite taxing. Even though I was always relatively safe, my damage numbers were too low for my taste, especially when considering that the squid might be able to persist in the long battles where human couldn't quite shine. Soooooo... my answer was... Triform!

Now I have my whole family of purple death bringers back and it's a win-win situation for us all!

The End...

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Cute story
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Spines/ D A lvl 50 Scrap, stone/wm lvl 50 tank, Kat/reg lvl 50 Scrap
Grav/Kin lvl 50 Cont, Fire/Enegry lvl 50 Blast
Warshade lvl 50, PB lvl 39, nightwidow lvl 50, crab lvl 42
plant/thorns lvl 50 dom, ice/fire lvl 40 dom, grav/nrg lvl 41 dom

 

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I liked the part where he says: "The End"

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Don't act like you didn't get teary eyed in the end. You know you did!

 

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And don't forget my favorite tactic tri-form warshade gives you.

Step one: Transform into a black dwarf
Step two: teleport into the middle of a large group
Step three: black dwarf mire
Step four: transform back to human
Step five: mire
Step six: Jump back out of spawn while transforming to nova
Step seven: DESTROY!
Step eight: stygian circle to recover your lost stamina/health now that the majority or all of the enemy group is dead.

This takes just a few short seconds. And when you pull it off 8 man teams have to pick their jaws up off the floor.

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You have just given step by step detailed instructions on the super secret fighting style we use to train new squids in the all Kheldian SG on Guardian. Who leeked the information? I want names....

If you PL'd to 50 just to get an "epic" thinking you'd be �ber, you're going to be sorely disappointed with the HEATs, because the VEATs were designed so that anyone with one good finger and a braincell can rock the toggles.

 

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And don't forget my favorite tactic tri-form warshade gives you.

Step one: Transform into a black dwarf
Step two: teleport into the middle of a large group
Step three: black dwarf mire
Step four: transform back to human
Step five: mire
Step six: Jump back out of spawn while transforming to nova
Step seven: DESTROY!
Step eight: stygian circle to recover your lost stamina/health now that the majority or all of the enemy group is dead.

This takes just a few short seconds. And when you pull it off 8 man teams have to pick their jaws up off the floor.

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You have just given step by step detailed instructions on the super secret fighting style we use to train new squids in the all Kheldian SG on Guardian. Who leeked the information? I want names....

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No one, I came up with it myself. Course for a while I was teleporting in as a human... Then I realized in dwarf form I'd take less damage from the alpha strike, and spend less time shape shifting too.

"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern." Lord Acton

Madam Enigma's History

 

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I figured as much. I just had to make the joke.
As an aside, am I the only one who loves the ripping sound of a well placed mire? Kinda reminds me of the old Fulcrum Shift sound...

If you PL'd to 50 just to get an "epic" thinking you'd be �ber, you're going to be sorely disappointed with the HEATs, because the VEATs were designed so that anyone with one good finger and a braincell can rock the toggles.

 

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If I may ask, what's the name of that SG? Assuming you're currently accepting recruits, that is.

 

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If I may ask, what's the name of that SG? Assuming you're currently accepting recruits, that is.

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I'd like this info to. I just made a kheld, and could use some helpful info/sg. I have no toons on that server, but am willing to start new anyway.

Willpower has more passive regen than Regen does. Who thought that was a good idea?

Can we get a fix for Energy Melee instead of more new sets?

 

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I'm not sure, but I think Obsidian Force's SG is called Nightwatch (on Guardian). Better PM him to make sure.

If you're looking for a fun and relaxed All-Kheldian SG on Infinity, hook up with Umbra Illuminati, just send any of its members a tell, they can all invite new members.

I believe that a Kheldian Gold Standard should be based on SO's, and for anything above that... there's Platinum!

Save Ms. Liberty (#5349) � Augmenting Peacebringers � The Umbra Illuminati

 

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nova offers... what, exactly?

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The most damage.

[/ QUOTE ]Not distributed in a significant enough way to give a damn.

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In the situations where you're fighting a single target for long time periods, Nova trumps human form. Once the Essences drop and you've got only one mob to Mire off of, even though the Human form is still fun, cool looking, and relatively viable at that point... Nova is more efficient.

This, among some other situations that I might be able to list if I wasn't sneaking on here at work, sure makes ME give a damn... but people are different. Totally fair opinion you've got there.

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And don't forget my favorite tactic tri-form warshade gives you.

Step one: Transform into a black dwarf
Step two: teleport into the middle of a large group
Step three: black dwarf mire
Step four: transform back to human
Step five: mire
Step six: Jump back out of spawn while transforming to nova
Step seven: DESTROY!
Step eight: stygian circle to recover your lost stamina/health now that the majority or all of the enemy group is dead.

This takes just a few short seconds. And when you pull it off 8 man teams have to pick their jaws up off the floor.

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And at least 3 or 4 of those seconds are spent going through a form-changing animation. I hate that.

That's why I prefer to play a human-only form. My order of business goes like this:

Step one: Teleport into the middle of a large group
Step two: Hit Eclipse
Step three: Hit Sunless Mire
Step four: Hit Gravity Well on the easiest kill in the mob
Step five: Use dead body for Unchain Essence (mass stun)
Step six: Hit Dark Detonation
Step seven: Go through rest of attack powers, working another mire/unchain essence in if necessary
Step eight: Stygian Circle to recover your lost stamina/health at any point during the fight. (Rinse and repeat as necessary--move to next group, dragging stragglers with you, if it's almost time for you to pull off your next Eclipse, and don't forget to pull up a pet or two in the mix for greater damage in upcoming mobs)

This way, I have no downtime whatsoever from form-changing. I like it that way.

"The One"

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The way you play changes your IO slotting..


76 characters and Twenty-four 50s later, I still love this game.
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That's why we try to downshift (from Dwarf/Nova to Human) more than upshift...

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Aye, I'll start the cycle in dwarf form since it's much faster to shift from dwarf to human and mire then go human to dwarf to mire. Then I transform to nova mid jump since I would be doing so to leverage cones anyway.

"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern." Lord Acton

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