PVP

I know i havent posted in awhile and this is probably a dead subject but i need some possible answers.
Ive been pvping for about 3 4 yrs now im not the best nor the worst but way in the world did you devs mess up pvp so badly for us? i mean you made doms completely usesless, you created pvp ios that benift hero scrappers and tanks more then anyone, you made it so squishes have to stand toe to toe with toons they cant possibly win against in that manner. are we back to the old heroes must be always have the upper hand thing again? ...my greatest problem with all this is not only is all this true but now hero heavies have their holds increased both in duration and chance to hit? do the devs just not want the villains to be able to survive in pvp or what?

lol theres all of about 8 or so ppl that even pvp on guardian these days. cleary the devs don't really care about us pvpers, hell most the best pvpers i know have either jumped ship or switched servers, i mean hell take a look at yesterday we managed to scrounge up about 6 ppl to pvp as villains against TA and the assortment of ppl that wanted to pvp but didn't want to play on the villain side where we were kinda outnumbered about 5 to 1 (but hey im not complaining i like odds like that). there's not alot of ppl with a pvp twitch left and with travel supression those that have a twitch aren't able to be 'twitchy'.

you should come play left 4 dead with us, its right now the closest thing to what pvp in coh should be, fast paced pew pew.

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lol theres all of about 8 or so ppl that even pvp on guardian these days.
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There's more than that. Unless you're not counting the casual PvP'ers like myself that wander into the PvP zones (usually RV) and the Arenas only when we feel like it. I can come up with about 15-20 like myself, and that's just the ones on my Global. Once I'm done building my new PvP toon though, you'll probably see me in RV a fair bit more often.

Just had to toss my two bits in there...

Think they mean hardcore pvp, which was always rare here. Best place for pvp I hear is freedom.

i dont count casual players, i count ppl as a pvper as if thats pretty much there interest in the game and their fairly decent at it.

not to say a casual player is bad or anything but there's just that feeling when your pvping against a pvper, like wow, and wham.

Op, yes Marshal.... pvp is less than desirable now but hopefully the dev's have a "vision" for later and the current state is simply transition. Think back to ED and GDN . I do not cite those occurrences with snarkism either. We got both because the io's builds were introduced a few issues down the road. I have faith in this dev team. Even with the MA debacle. In the meantime I am with Grass and playing elsewhere. Have some faith ,brotha. If it isn't fun here then find your fun elsewhere til it's fun again!

edited because I am sick and tired of the thread jacks andI needed to delete the more ascerbic part of my original post.

Team Fortress 2 and Left 4 Dead are the best games out for the pvper that likes "fast paced" pvp. This game sucks now thanks to the devs. There vision for pvp is nerf any good players and take away all skill so everyone is exactly the same. Then make it a button mashing fest, person that can click the buttons faster wins lol.

It is not even theoretically possible to design a pvp ruleset that does not provide an advantage to the skilled player, unless the rules are being changed at random intervals during combat. Even then, the truly skilled player will correctly anticipate more of the possible permutations, identify them more quickly when they come into play and shift their tactics more fluidly, giving them (drumroll) an advantage.

Im not even goin to attempt to explain it too you since you have no experiance at pvp you wouldnt understand. Also while part of your statement is correct the more experianced "skilled" players do have an advantage becuase they can change there tactics and builds to fit the current rules, but they have pretty much demolished the learning curve bringing all top pvper players down to an intermediate playing field.

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It is not even theoretically possible to design a pvp ruleset that does not provide an advantage to the skilled player, unless the rules are being changed at random intervals during combat. Even then, the truly skilled player will correctly anticipate more of the possible permutations, identify them more quickly when they come into play and shift their tactics more fluidly, giving them (drumroll) an advantage.

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I am sick of "theoretically" respeccing and //or deleting every issue. My advantages are quite clear in 1 vs1 encounters. Sometimes 5-6 vs 1 encounters.Fact is it isn't fun. I don't like fitklub. I feel about this subject as passionately as I feel about dom's.I, like many other players, am willing to wait it out on my main and see what the future brings.

One thing, BoardThug. Some players will always have an advantage.

Back to the Op. Heavies need to be addressed. As do all pve factions in the various pvp zones. Hopefully the devs are on it.

I wasnt clear on this and I don't feel like editing. Here goes..... I know the animations for aim and bu and fe etc etc etc .. I know when a player has popped a tier 9 (ie mog or elude)... many other players do not. The above things I stated were arbitrary examples.The point is that the dumbing down of pvp with issue13 did nothing to help players that dont know the plethora of things learn those things.All it did was make a new set of rules. In my opinion tht made the hurdle from pve to pvp more difficult for many players. Think for a minute as a pve'er in a pvp zone the first time ever!! THe npc's kick their [censored] if the pvp'ers dont( not that theres typically many pvp'ers in zones. I think I illustrated the point.

Again. I am hopefuland still have faith but these cards are on the table.I am waiting for Texas Hold'Em a few issues down the road.

edited because I just read issue15 patchnotes. Give up.

Well, since basically the only thing to say is to repeat my last post, and you both agreed with me anyway, I guess I'll pass.

"(Im not even goin to attempt to explain it too you since you have no experiance at pvp you wouldnt understand")

LOL! Jay i'm sooo hurt! I thought you liked me more then that!

Such the comedienne...

and yes it is possible to give advantage to one side and not the other, case in point villians as compared to heroes have less heath. now if you add the fact that the way pvp is now, "All about melee fights", heroes again are on top, having more health. Now add in the new pvp set and you have regen scrappers who are now even harer to kill then before.

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i dont count casual players, i count ppl as a pvper as if thats pretty much there interest in the game and their fairly decent at it.

not to say a casual player is bad or anything but there's just that feeling when your pvping against a pvper, like wow, and wham.

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I figured that might be the case, but I thought I might as well chime in to double-check, hehe.

And the PvP nerf bat aside, I'd probably PvP a little more if I could get a better hang of it. None of my 50's, even slotted as they are, are very good in PvP. I'm guessing its partly tactics, and partly slotting. I'm learning a little here and there, but certain people make it damn hard to learn anything except how to die, lol. And no Cronic, I'm not including you in that list, hehe. When it comes to you, I've learned to give you the utmost respect when it comes to PvP. You know your [censored], and while trash talking comes with the game, you're still willing to admit to a good fight no matter the outcome.

Come to think of it Cronic, maybe you could give me a few pointers sometime. I bow to your might and knowledge, lol. And I wouldn't mind being able to actually give you a run for your money sometime down the road

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i dont count casual players, i count ppl as a pvper as if thats pretty much there interest in the game and their fairly decent at it.

not to say a casual player is bad or anything but there's just that feeling when your pvping against a pvper, like wow, and wham.

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I figured that might be the case, but I thought I might as well chime in to double-check, hehe.

And the PvP nerf bat aside, I'd probably PvP a little more if I could get a better hang of it. None of my 50's, even slotted as they are, are very good in PvP. I'm guessing its partly tactics, and partly slotting. I'm learning a little here and there, but certain people make it damn hard to learn anything except how to die, lol. And no Cronic, I'm not including you in that list, hehe. When it comes to you, I've learned to give you the utmost respect when it comes to PvP. You know your [censored], and while trash talking comes with the game, you're still willing to admit to a good fight no matter the outcome.

Come to think of it Cronic, maybe you could give me a few pointers sometime. I bow to your might and knowledge, lol. And I wouldn't mind being able to actually give you a run for your money sometime down the road

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Accually Cronic is one of the best PvPers around IMHO, Ive known him for 5+ years

Love ya J! xo

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Come to think of it Cronic, maybe you could give me a few pointers sometime. I bow to your might and knowledge, lol. And I wouldn't mind being able to actually give you a run for your money sometime down the road


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Lol id be happy to help however i can, and lately theresa a handful of players that can give me a run for my money. I recently fought Miss Aubrie and he managed to kill me after a long drawn out fight under the globe (ran outta endurance) But with the mutiple nerfs to my fortunata and stalkers have basically sabatoge my pvp builds lol. O well ill have to respec my regen stalker with the new io's when im done messing around with Left 4 Dead. TY for the nice compliment missy but i think my days of pvp on this game are comming to an end in the near future.

Well that means we can still do other stuffs
I always love teaming wif you!
or as we do sometimes of the standing around in your base and chat for hours about everything and anything!

I'd get lost in Cronic's base and never be heard from again............................................. .................................................. ......................................

Great job on another Guardian threadjack. Wheres the [censored] cookies and cake?

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Well that means we can still do other stuffs
I always love teaming wif you!
or as we do sometimes of the standing around in your base and chat for hours about everything and anything!

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Thought you werent playing because of deep mourning for a friend and an excercise regime? You sure have plenty of time to post and threadjack everything under the sun, doncha?

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I'd get lost in Cronic's base and never be heard from again............................................. .................................................. ......................................

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haha me too, I need that bind stuff again



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Great job on another Guardian threadjack. Wheres the [censored] cookies and cake?

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*gives cookies*

Seriously... this is GUARDIAN this is what we are about don't like it TO BAD, this makes guardian what it is and what we are as a family! Everyone knows this is what guardian is and accepts it but you!


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Thought you werent playing because of deep mourning for a friend and an excercise regime? You sure have plenty of time to post and threadjack everything under the sun, doncha?

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and I said id be around the boards just cause im breaking from GAME doesn't mean ALL of it, just the game itself DUH! Besides I was in game for a little bit last night with many many tells asking how I was doing, didn't have the oomph to play but I chatted *shrug*

I still miss my friend yes....
sucks not seeing his name lit on global....
But I am not gonna be sad forever am I?
No......

I miss the old pvp and I thought the hero heavy hold duration was being decreased, but maybe i misunderstood.

The hero heavy hold is bugged to hell, but it wont get fixed becuase devs dont give a [censored] about pvp or the players that engage in it. They are more worried about banning farmers.

^ Truth.