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I've got a second account, and the game seems to think that a storyarc i made on the first was made by the second. I can unpublish/edit it on either account, but not vote on it with the second.
is this WAI?
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The info for your unpublished arc is stored locally. Assuming you run two accounts on the same machine, you'll be able to access the unpublished version of the arc on both accounts, but the published version will only show up on the correct account.
but when i play it on the account that didn't publish it, i get a message saying i cannot rate missions that i have published myself.
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but when i play it on the account that didn't publish it, i get a message saying i cannot rate missions that i have published myself.
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It most likely recognizes the arc was created locally, regardless of account used to do so. I imagine if this isn't something that was done on purpose, it's something the Devs left alone when it was discovered; one shouldn't be able to rate their own arc in this manner. That said, even if it were possible to rate your arc on a second account, it would definitely be classified as an exploit.
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but when i play it on the account that didn't publish it, i get a message saying i cannot rate missions that i have published myself.
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It most likely recognizes the arc was created locally, regardless of account used to do so. I imagine if this isn't something that was done on purpose, it's something the Devs left alone when it was discovered; one shouldn't be able to rate their own arc in this manner. That said, even if it were possible to rate your arc on a second account, it would definitely be classified as an exploit.
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Really definitely an exploit ??
not really an exploit i wouldn't think, i know someone with three accounts that can rate with the other two
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Really definitely an exploit ??
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Well yeah. The Devs have specifically designed the rating system in a manner that prevents a player from rating their own arc. By doing so on a second account you're bypassing the game mechanic in an unintended way. And because one would benefit from it directly, such action meets the definition of a game exploit rather thoroughly.
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Really definitely an exploit ??
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Well yeah. The Devs have specifically designed the rating system in a manner that prevents a player from rating their own arc. By doing so on a second account you're bypassing the game mechanic in an unintended way. And because one would benefit from it directly, such action meets the definition of a game exploit rather thoroughly.
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Uhhh, that makes no sense. There are (and should be) advantages that come with PAYING for an additional account. Those advantages generally include additional storage (each character slot = possible mule), teaming opportunities (stone tanks/brutes with "pocket kins", for example) and the ability to add a single vote to an arc for every account you own (and/or PAY for).
I have 2 accounts of my own and pay for 3 others. That's 5 possible votes for any storyarc I like (or 4 for my own arcs). Would I pay specifically for that advantage? No. But at the very least it should apply. I haven't run into this problem because when I run CoH, it's from two completely different install locations (and I don't create any arcs from my niece and her parents' accounts) but this just sounds daft. You'd think they'd separate the local data storage by username.
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Uhhh, that makes no sense.
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It wouldn't make any sense if they allowed authors to rate their own arcs in the first place. But it's something they clearly went out of their way to keep from happening. At all. Using a second account to overcome this is bypassing a restriction the Devs placed into the game.
By definition, an exploit is something that bypasses the restrictions placed on the game. Hence, this method of rating one's own arc would qualify as an exploit.
Having more than one account does not entitle you, or anyone else, the right to partake in activities the developers have apparently decided should not occur. And in this instance, by doing so you would effectively be creating your very own personnel voting cartel. It would admittedly be smaller than most of those that have existed since the Mission Architect's implementation, but it would still be something the Developers have gone on record to state should not exist within the game.
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... and the ability to add a single vote to an arc for every account you own (and/or PAY for).
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Be careful about such actions; in some cases, this would constitute grieffing. For example, consider what the impact would be on anyone's arc were you to zero-star the thing with all five accounts. Even if you simply gave the arc three stars with each account, you could effectively send that author's work to a level of obscurity from which it may not recover.
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I've got a second account, and the game seems to think that a storyarc i made on the first was made by the second. I can unpublish/edit it on either account, but not vote on it with the second.
is this WAI?
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Have you tried logging completely out of the game (to the desktop) and then logging back in on the 2nd account? With my 2 accounts, I get the same behavior you're describing if I just quit to the login screen, but when I quit to desktop and log back in, I can rate my first account's arcs with my 2nd account.
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but when i play it on the account that didn't publish it, i get a message saying i cannot rate missions that i have published myself.
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It wouldn't make any sense if they allowed authors to rate their own arcs in the first place. But it's something they clearly went out of their way to keep from happening. At all. Using a second account to overcome this is bypassing a restriction the Devs placed into the game.
By definition, an exploit is something that bypasses the restrictions placed on the game. Hence, this method of rating one's own arc would qualify as an exploit.
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Well by that logic, personal supergroups are a clear exploit, teaming with yourself to solo tfs are a clear exploit, using a second account to twink out a lowbie is a clear exploit, the list goes on.
I don't even want to think of the exploits involved in households that have more than 1 person that plays the game.
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but when i play it on the account that didn't publish it, i get a message saying i cannot rate missions that i have published myself.
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Bahh he probably wanted to report it as a farm.
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Well by that logic, personal supergroups are a clear exploit, teaming with yourself to solo tfs are a clear exploit, using a second account to twink out a lowbie is a clear exploit, the list goes on.
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Actually, there's a key difference between the one-person cartel and the activities you mention. The activities you mentioned weren't singularly excluded. Rating one's own arc was.
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Well by that logic, personal supergroups are a clear exploit, teaming with yourself to solo tfs are a clear exploit, using a second account to twink out a lowbie is a clear exploit, the list goes on.
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Actually, there's a key difference between the one-person cartel and the activities you mention. The activities you mentioned weren't singularly excluded. Rating one's own arc was.
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??? They certainly seem to be.
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but when i play it on the account that didn't publish it, i get a message saying i cannot rate missions that i have published myself.
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Bahh he probably wanted to report it as a farm.
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Not as a farm, but for inappropriate content. I have multiple personality disorder, and my main is quite foul-mouthed!
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Actually, there's a key difference between the one-person cartel and the activities you mention. The activities you mentioned weren't singularly excluded. Rating one's own arc was.
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You seem to be making an incredibly arbitrary distinction.
The developers have taken action to stop accounts from rating their own arcs; nowhere, to my knowledge, have they stated that they do not want individual people who own multiple accounts to rate their own arcs and their behavior is not indicative of any such want.
Again, you've decided, for entirely arbitrary reasons, that one, particular action that multiple accounts can partake in is exploitative.
I must ask, why?
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but when i play it on the account that didn't publish it, i get a message saying i cannot rate missions that i have published myself.
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Bahh he probably wanted to report it as a farm.
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but when i play it on the account that didn't publish it, i get a message saying i cannot rate missions that i have published myself.
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Bahh he probably wanted to report it as a farm.
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Not as a farm, but for inappropriate content. I have multiple personality disorder, and my main is quite foul-mouthed!
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Not as a farm, but for inappropriate content. I have multiple personality disorder, and my main is quite foul-mouthed!
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Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID).
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You seem to be making an incredibly arbitrary distinction.
The developers have taken action to stop accounts from rating their own arcs; nowhere, to my knowledge, have they stated that they do not want individual people who own multiple accounts to rate their own arcs and their behavior is not indicative of any such want.
Again, you've decided, for entirely arbitrary reasons, that one, particular action that multiple accounts can partake in is exploitative.
I must ask, why?
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If my distinction is arbitrary, yours is more so. I never claimed the Developers had stated they do not want individual people who own multiple accounts to rate their own arcs. However, as you admit, they did go out of their way to stop accounts from rating their own arcs; there's valid reason to believe, based on the circumstances, that rating your own arc with one of your own alternate accounts would be frowned upon. In addition, they have gone on record stating that voting-cartel type behavior will not be tolerated, and being able to rate one's own arc, possibly multiple times, could easily qualify as such.
On the other hand, there is absolutely no evidence supporting the idea that such behavior is acceptable in the eyes of the developers. You claim my statements are flawed due to lack of specific evidence. Your objections are flawed due to lack of any evidence.
Regardless of the situation, that this multiple-account rating is an exploit as it's bypassing a game mechanic that was actively put into the game is not an arbitrary distinction. It is fact. Whether the Developers deem it an actionable exploit, however, is something we can only determine over time.
I'm not going to say folks can't rate their own arcs with secondary accounts; anyone's free to use their account as they see fit. That said, those who do so shouldn't be surprised if they pay the price should they get their hand caught in the cookie jar. It's an exploit, one I am sure they are now aware of as a result of this discussion, if they were not already, and something they may be looking into in the future; use at your own risk.
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In addition, they have gone on record stating that voting-cartel type behavior will not be tolerated, and being able to rate one's own arc, possibly multiple times, could easily qualify as such.
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As far as I know, all that any redname has stated is that people have been complaining about them. Positron didn't specifically call that behavior out as exploitative in his "abusing MA" post, nor did any of the followup seem to be intended to address it, aside from restructuring badges so that said cartels wouldn't have as much reason to exist.
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I've got a second account, and the game seems to think that a storyarc i made on the first was made by the second. I can unpublish/edit it on either account, but not vote on it with the second.
is this WAI?