I actually didn't read it as an insult. I know Ownage wants my Arenababies.
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Id say with none of us being on test before the event other than prod and me for like 15 min chillen with spec it was already clear that a KB+Stalker team would be the team to counter. And that team is countered well with PvP IOs toping mid 50s mag KB protection.
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Even with that you have to find a way to reliably counter the TK. Which can be done. We'll just keep shuffling through possible teams until something is found that trumps it. There's more than enough possible combinations.
"His Imperial Majesty's Minister of Restraints and Leather" -LHF
Two naughty acronym teams / Ascension / Convenient / Artic and the Chillz / Fap / Other teams I can't remember (sorry.. mind is goin')
I like your attitude!
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How about we make matches 8v8 again?
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Not for nothing , but can this be consider or at least 6v6 ?
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How about playing with DR on? The auto-RES cap is silly. 
Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit
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How about playing with DR on? The auto-RES cap is silly.
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Because dr sucks my nuts.
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Even with that you have to find a way to reliably counter the TK. Which can be done. We'll just keep shuffling through possible teams until something is found that trumps it. There's more than enough possible combinations.
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haha its not so much ego as it is frustration. it annoys me to see poeple claiming the stalker team is the only viable strat when i know full well that its not. people just instead of trying to come up with ways to beat it, just try to use it themselves.
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Then my bad it came across with a TUN of ego.
My suggestion would be this. Do your next practice with DR on. Just see what happens. See what's effective and what isn't and if it even works at all. Don't compare it to zones because you know that it will be nothing like that. I plan on doing this our next prac.
the problem with dr on that i see is uh... what team would beat 1 emp 4 blaster? the damage of blaster spikes with DR on is insane. to the point where there is no real viable way to stay alive. 3 sonic blasters throwing just one chain of shriek/scream/shout is roughly 3k damage.
so if you thought dr off was no skill... try playing vs that.
Ya it goes from short bursts of lots of damage to get a kill to. smashing buttons untill they run out of phase and or get heal decayed.
Heal decay is awful, but so is free res cap. not saying DR is good, I'd like to see it AND the free RES garbage off.
Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit
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I'd like to see it AND the free RES garbage off.
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So true. Give us a inherent res box to check like TS and DR
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So true. Give us a inherent res box to check like TS and DR
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Or just fix the No DR button.
If everyone would've clearly said exactly what only about 2 or 3 of us did at the time-to not bother with any options unless we could have an i12 rules option to start with-then maybe everyone wouldn't be stuck with the half-[censored] choices they see now. Instead, for that split second after i13's release that the devs were willing to hear what we wanted (to see if they could throw us a bone), they just heard "DR and Travel Suppression are the worst changes!!!" from about 95% of us. So now they just point to that arena set-up screen and say "See! We listened and put those 2 options in just for you guys!!!"
nm I forgot we were talking about CoH devs. I'm certain we would've just gotten no options at all if everyone would've asked for what I did. Just forget I mentioned it.
Oh...I was told that Posi recently said that they were happy with PvP now. Great news! I just thought of an analogy here:
Imagine if a city park official went and reconfigured the baseball/softball field to remove 1st and 3rd base, cut the field down to 1/4 its size, and then posted rules that said everyone must bat with only one hand (the left one) with a 10-inch bat. Okay, obviously all but like 4, mentally challenged residents-you know, the guys that just hang around the official's office in hopes of doing favors for the guy to feel important-yeah, those are the only ones that don't stop playing ball. When the press asks what the park official thinks about the changes and if he's concerned about nearly everyone hating them and not wanting to play any more, he's all just like "Well, I and my office are extremely happy with the new field and rules!" Well, then a couple of months goes by and like 25 residents just get bored out of their minds and, wanting to play ball so bad that they just can't stand it, they decide that they'll just play ball anyway on the crappy field with the rediculous rules because there isn't another field nearby.
I'm just waiting for the park official to walk by and say "See! See! I told everyone this would be a huge success!!!"
Just to be clear, I'm not blaming the residents at all for anything. I just feel bad for them having to work around the clueless officials just to have an attempt at a little fun. It's just pitiful.
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Now if you really decided to think about it. A match with dr off puts everyone at res cap, not to mention they will be at HP cap. Many things will do little damage. Not to mention an emp on the other team would turn what would normally be a two second death not even letting the emp heal him/her. would end up turning into a chase... Stalkers can get the job done fast without turning into more time then is needed. And many things just dont have that big of damage numbers that can be done in one attack. 
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That's assuming a lot. I think a lot of us expressed our opinions in PM's instead of our opinions getting lost in the forest of [censored] that was post i13 forum posting.
"His Imperial Majesty's Minister of Restraints and Leather" -LHF
Two naughty acronym teams / Ascension / Convenient / Artic and the Chillz / Fap / Other teams I can't remember (sorry.. mind is goin')
I like Psoma's analogy.
I'm glad this thread turned into an actual discussion rather than the subversive jab at the incompetent devs I intended it as.
My advice would be to voice your opinion with your dollar. It's the only thing that matters. Long as you are paying, you are approving of their decisions and direction.
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My advice would be to voice your opinion with your dollar. It's the only thing that matters. Long as you are paying, you are approving of their decisions and direction.
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I'm here for the people, not so much the PvP. When they go, I go. It's as simple as that.
@macskull, @Not Mac | XBL: macskull | Steam: macskull | Skype: macskull
"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
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If everyone would've clearly said exactly what only about 2 or 3 of us did at the time-to not bother with any options unless we could have an i12 rules option to start with-then maybe everyone wouldn't be stuck with the half-[censored] choices they see now. Instead, for that split second after i13's release that the devs were willing to hear what we wanted (to see if they could throw us a bone), they just heard "DR and Travel Suppression are the worst changes!!!" from about 95% of us. So now they just point to that arena set-up screen and say "See! We listened and put those 2 options in just for you guys!!!"
nm I forgot we were talking about CoH devs. I'm certain we would've just gotten no options at all if everyone would've asked for what I did. Just forget I mentioned it.
Oh...I was told that Posi recently said that they were happy with PvP now. Great news! I just thought of an analogy here:
Imagine if a city park official went and reconfigured the baseball/softball field to remove 1st and 3rd base, cut the field down to 1/4 its size, and then posted rules that said everyone must bat with only one hand (the left one) with a 10-inch bat. Okay, obviously all but like 4, mentally challenged residents-you know, the guys that just hang around the official's office in hopes of doing favors for the guy to feel important-yeah, those are the only ones that don't stop playing ball. When the press asks what the park official thinks about the changes and if he's concerned about nearly everyone hating them and not wanting to play any more, he's all just like "Well, I and my office are extremely happy with the new field and rules!" Well, then a couple of months goes by and like 25 residents just get bored out of their minds and, wanting to play ball so bad that they just can't stand it, they decide that they'll just play ball anyway on the crappy field with the rediculous rules because there isn't another field nearby.
I'm just waiting for the park official to walk by and say "See! See! I told everyone this would be a huge success!!!"
Just to be clear, I'm not blaming the residents at all for anything. I just feel bad for them having to work around the clueless officials just to have an attempt at a little fun. It's just pitiful.
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Look you're obviously confused.. This isn't even baseball.
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Yeah. After trying everything else possible, I've felt like that's the only thing I could do to make any difference (however small some might say it is). The free week has provided an opportunity to come back, try things out again for myself, and then restate the obvious. Not that the devs care, but the window of opportunity is still there regarding their ability to roll back PvP to i12 and begin actually working with PvP'rs. You want back a good number of subscribers and add even more? Install a dev dedicated to PvP that will actually work directly with the PvP'rs-a dev that loves/has loved it because of what it was: a fast-paced, balanced-around-teamwork system that is best suited for those that build their toons and strategies around anticipating a fight against others doing that same thing. I know many have said that before, but it's worth saying again. I wouldn't bother posting if I didn't still love what this game once was and could be again.
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Yeah. After trying everything else possible, I've felt like that's the only thing I could do to make any difference (however small some might say it is). The free week has provided an opportunity to come back, try things out again for myself, and then restate the obvious. Not that the devs care, but the window of opportunity is still there regarding their ability to roll back PvP to i12 and begin actually working with PvP'rs. You want back a good number of subscribers and add even more? Install a dev dedicated to PvP that will actually work directly with the PvP'rs-a dev that loves/has loved it because of what it was: a fast-paced, balanced-around-teamwork system that is best suited for those that build their toons and strategies around anticipating a fight against others doing that same thing. I know many have said that before, but it's worth saying again. I wouldn't bother posting if I didn't still love what this game once was and could be again. And un-permaban all the nice people that made fun of a few people.
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My advice would be to voice your opinion with your dollar. It's the only thing that matters. Long as you are paying, you are approving of their decisions and direction.
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Yeah. After trying everything else possible, I've felt like that's the only thing I could do to make any difference (however small some might say it is). The free week has provided an opportunity to come back, try things out again for myself, and then restate the obvious. Not that the devs care, but the window of opportunity is still there regarding their ability to roll back PvP to i12 and begin actually working with PvP'rs. You want back a good number of subscribers and add even more? Install a dev dedicated to PvP that will actually work directly with the PvP'rs-a dev that loves/has loved it because of what it was: a fast-paced, balanced-around-teamwork system that is best suited for those that build their toons and strategies around anticipating a fight against others doing that same thing. I know many have said that before, but it's worth saying again. I wouldn't bother posting if I didn't still love what this game once was and could be again. And un-permaban all the nice people that made fun of a few people.
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[censored] just adding an option to turn off global resistance in arena would make worlds of differences.
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My advice would be to voice your opinion with your dollar. It's the only thing that matters. Long as you are paying, you are approving of their decisions and direction.
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Yeah. After trying everything else possible, I've felt like that's the only thing I could do to make any difference (however small some might say it is). The free week has provided an opportunity to come back, try things out again for myself, and then restate the obvious. Not that the devs care, but the window of opportunity is still there regarding their ability to roll back PvP to i12 and begin actually working with PvP'rs. You want back a good number of subscribers and add even more? Install a dev dedicated to PvP that will actually work directly with the PvP'rs-a dev that loves/has loved it because of what it was: a fast-paced, balanced-around-teamwork system that is best suited for those that build their toons and strategies around anticipating a fight against others doing that same thing. I know many have said that before, but it's worth saying again. I wouldn't bother posting if I didn't still love what this game once was and could be again. And un-permaban all the nice people that made fun of a few people.
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[censored] just adding an option to turn off global resistance in arena would make worlds of differences. And un-permaban all the nice people that made fun of a few people.
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even easy breezy? cheap shot dude
and like you said people are too lazy to come up with different lineups
also that storm turtle would be difficult because tk can hit multiple people and apparently caught 3 people in one of the kickoff ladder matches, unfortunately i couldnt be there to watch
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haha my bad not meant to be a shot at u guys. i actually like your team.