First, what do you consider a "melee" toon?
Brute, Scrapper, Tank, and Stalker match the classical definition, but perhaps not yours.
Second, who cares if you have a character that can, in SC only apparently, compete with other melee characters? Two melee's pounding on each in this game isn't a test of builds (much less skill), its a test of patience if neither player isn't an idiot.
Thorizdin
Lords of the Dead
Old School Legends
Honestly .. I can't wrap my head around this whole fight club thing when melee vs melee is very one-sided seeing how unbalanced this game is in PvP, especially duels. How skilled could you honestly be winning a melee vs melee fight?
The reason I say this is because way back in my PvE days I dabbled in a little fight clubs on Justice with my 50 SS/Invul Brute. It was the most retarded experience I ever went thru. One occassion was against a Ice/EM Tank. How is a SS/Invul suppose to beat a Ice/EM Tank with no insp, no temps? The fight was literally attack ->attack->attack->dull pain->attack->Ice/EM Hoarfrost->attack->Unstop->Survive until Unstop wears off->lose ... do you see how linear that is?
Maybe you can explain that to me.
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Honestly .. I can't wrap my head around this whole fight club thing when melee vs melee is very one-sided seeing how unbalanced this game is in PvP, especially duels. How skilled could you honestly be winning a melee vs melee fight?
The reason I say this is because way back in my PvE days I dabbled in a little fight clubs on Justice with my 50 SS/Invul Brute. It was the most retarded experience I ever went thru. One occassion was against a Ice/EM Tank. How is a SS/Invul suppose to beat a Ice/EM Tank with no insp, no temps? The fight was literally attack ->attack->attack->dull pain->attack->Ice/EM Hoarfrost->attack->Unstop->Survive until Unstop wears off->lose ... do you see how linear that is?
Maybe you can explain that to me.
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they make blasters stay still
lol stunspam
@TheBro
solo pvp?
Cooler than every single owl EVER.
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Cleopatra pops demonic every time I attack her.
Zen.
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Cleo doesn even need that accolade that toon is so sick with ios it can duel 1v1 with tankers in sirens and win.
That said I was qouting Bubba Hoh-tep and not refering to Cleo VII aka 2cold4u
Zen.
Chatlog made me lol
Especially at having "pull" in zones
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not even close
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plz read this chat log u will get a kick out of it.
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01-28-2008 03:29:55 [Tell]Doctor J: what does that list in your description mean
01-28-2008 03:30:27 [Tell]-->Doctor J: brutes Ive beaten and lose to in PvP
01-28-2008 03:30:49 [Tell]Doctor J: troo is a stalker i think
01-28-2008 03:30:52 [Broadcast]Takai Yoshida-san: can i get 2 fillers plz
01-28-2008 03:30:58 [Tell]-->Doctor J: yeah
01-28-2008 03:31:09 [Tell]-->Doctor J: he wanted on the list lol
01-28-2008 03:31:09 [Tell]Doctor J: thats in zones?
01-28-2008 03:31:17 [Tell]-->Doctor J: siren
01-28-2008 03:31:25 [Tell]Doctor J: lol
01-28-2008 03:31:27 [Tell]-->Doctor J: siren
01-28-2008 03:31:46 [Tell]Doctor J: thats funny
01-28-2008 03:31:51 [Broadcast]Takai Yoshida-san: can i get 2 fillers plz
01-28-2008 03:33:07 [Tell]Doctor J: lmao your the guy that posted on the forums about how badass you were
01-28-2008 03:33:21 [Tell]-->Doctor J: lol yeah and on
01-28-2008 03:33:24 [Tell]-->Doctor J: no*
01-28-2008 03:33:49 [Tell]Doctor J: hmm ya dont post on the forums anymore, you have no idea what your talking about
01-28-2008 03:33:59 [Tell]-->Doctor J: so i guess u got something to say now?
01-28-2008 03:34:05 [Tell]Doctor J: yes lets 1v1 in arena
01-28-2008 03:34:36 [Tell]-->Doctor J: this toon was made for melee Vs melee
01-28-2008 03:34:54 [Tell]-->Doctor J: and who the hell r u to tell me not to post
01-28-2008 03:35:08 [Tell]Doctor J: lmao why do you have aidself
01-28-2008 03:35:23 [Tell]-->Doctor J: its for the slots
01-28-2008 03:35:30 [Broadcast]Takai Yoshida-san: i never use it
01-28-2008 03:35:42 [Tell]-->Doctor J: this toon is a siren build
01-28-2008 03:36:02 [Tell]Doctor J: then why are you IOing it out
01-28-2008 03:36:02 [Tell]-->Doctor J: my regen is 700%
01-28-2008 03:36:12 [Tell]-->Doctor J: ?
01-28-2008 03:36:24 [Tell]Doctor J: lmao why did u buy IO's if you only use it in sirens
01-28-2008 03:36:27 [Tell]-->Doctor J: i c u dont know [censored] now
01-28-2008 03:36:49 [Tell]Doctor J: lol your awsome
01-28-2008 03:37:09 [Tell]-->Doctor J: ty now u have something to post enjoy
01-28-2008 03:37:17 [Tell]Doctor J: plz fight me in arena
01-28-2008 03:37:35 [Tell]Doctor J: ill give you 1 mil
01-28-2008 03:37:38 [Tell]Doctor J: if you fight me
01-28-2008 03:37:54 [Tell]-->Doctor J: do u really think i need money
01-28-2008 03:38:04 [Tell]Doctor J: omg just fight me
01-28-2008 03:38:40 [Local]Takai Yoshida-san: r u really begging to fight me how lame go away
01-28-2008 03:38:56 [Local]Takai Yoshida-san: i told u im melee vs melee build
01-28-2008 03:39:03 [Local]Doctor J: then get a 1v1er
01-28-2008 03:39:54 [Local]Takai Yoshida-san: i have no toon build for Troller killin but i will make one just to kill u and with no IOs
01-28-2008 03:40:11 [Local]Doctor J: lol
01-28-2008 03:40:25 [Local]Takai Yoshida-san: this dude is so damn lame
01-28-2008 03:41:25 [Broadcast]Takai Yoshida-san: now run along lil 1 and post some dumb sh** on the forums about how i wouldnt fight u
01-28-2008 03:41:51 [Broadcast]Neo-Amon: takai
01-28-2008 03:42:01 [Broadcast]Takai Yoshida-san: sup Neo
01-28-2008 03:42:07 [Broadcast]Neo-Amon: nuffin much mate
01-28-2008 03:42:11 [Broadcast]Takai Yoshida-san: how r u bro
01-28-2008 03:42:12 [Broadcast]Neo-Amon: jus goin to waste some more cash
01-28-2008 03:42:13 [Tell]Doctor J: OMG 1v1 plz
01-28-2008 03:42:16 [Broadcast]Neo-Amon: im good bud
01-28-2008 03:42:19 [Broadcast]Neo-Amon: jus a lil tired
01-28-2008 03:43:45 [Broadcast]Doctor J: OMG TAKAI 1v1 ME
01-28-2008 03:44:05 [Broadcast]Takai Yoshida-san: OMg i dont fight Trollers so go away
01-28-2008 03:44:10 [Broadcast]Pure Avenger: lol
01-28-2008 03:45:02 [Tell]Neo-Amon: lol looks like evry1 wants a piece of the takai
01-28-2008 03:45:06 [Broadcast]Doctor J: But on the forums you said you were the bestest ever
01-28-2008 03:45:25 [Broadcast]Takai Yoshida-san: Bull Sh** u cant read
01-28-2008 03:45:35 [Team]Charred Beef: get some filler
01-28-2008 03:45:39 [Broadcast]Takai Yoshida-san: i never said ne dumb sh** like that
01-28-2008 03:46:04 [Broadcast]Takai Yoshida-san: can i get 3 fillers plz
01-28-2008 03:46:47 [Broadcast]Takai Yoshida-san: lookin for 3 filler Pst me plz
01-28-2008 03:46:49 [Tell]ChaCha Seer: I can fill
01-28-2008 03:46:55 Team invite sent!
01-28-2008 03:46:57 ChaCha Seer has joined the team
01-28-2008 03:46:57 [Broadcast]Doctor J: fight me 2v1 plz
01-28-2008 03:47:15 [Broadcast]Pure Avenger: i'll fill
01-28-2008 03:47:21 [Team]Takai Yoshida-san: ty im still lookin for more so plz give me time
01-28-2008 03:47:34 Team invite sent!
01-28-2008 03:47:37 Pure Avenger has joined the team
01-28-2008 03:48:04 [Broadcast]Doctor J: Takai
01-28-2008 03:48:06 [Broadcast]Takai Yoshida-san: 2 more fillers plz
01-28-2008 03:48:07 [Team]Pure Avenger: dr j seems like a bit of an egg
01-28-2008 03:48:09 [Broadcast]Doctor J: Takai
01-28-2008 03:48:28 [Broadcast]Doctor J: No one fill for him please, untill he fights me
01-28-2008 03:49:02 [Justice Powerlevel] Tiger Paw: can i get 2 fillers plz PST Takai Yoshida-san
01-28-2008 03:49:21 [Justice Powerlevel] Troken: No one fill for him please, until he fights me
01-28-2008 03:49:44 [Tell]Doctor J: FYI, i own Justice
01-28-2008 03:49:54 [Justice Powerlevel] Tiger Paw: stop being a dick and grow up dude
01-28-2008 03:50:09 [Tell]-->Doctor J: if u say so
01-28-2008 03:50:13 Earths Force has joined the team
01-28-2008 03:50:23 [Tell]-->Doctor J: i got more pull then u think
01-28-2008 03:50:37 [Tell]Doctor J: pull?
01-28-2008 03:51:15 [Tell]-->Doctor J: pull=rep, im known
01-28-2008 03:51:19 [Tell]Doctor J: lmao
01-28-2008 03:51:40 [Tell]Doctor J: thats because i never go into sirens anymore
01-28-2008 03:51:46 [Tell]Doctor J: and still i think your wrong
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Doctor J doesn't go into Sirens anymore because his toon is the suck there with a big side of stalker attracting beef on his head.
Troken is good in arena partic in 2v2 but not in fight club.
These are just differant ways of playing one or more might be your way or not.
You were wise not to 1v1 a troller at that level with a 1v1 melee toon built for sirens though as that fight would be pointless.
Zen.
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for all u how think Dual Blade is not a good PvP toon u r wrong. If u want to prove me wron just come to Justice PvP and i will show u. I built my DB/Regen for acc and rechar. my Dam output is so fast the person im duelin has no time to heal. just ask about Takai that is me. ppl used to talk about claws the same way but i build my claw/SR b4 IOs and i got to 400rep solo in a month. I racked up 34 rep n 1 hour solo. So i close with "PROVE ME WRONG" 
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Your first post. No mention of melee only or sirens only. No mention of FC rules. I wonder why people misunderstood you.
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Con does have a good point here.
Zen.
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First, what do you consider a "melee" toon?
Brute, Scrapper, Tank, and Stalker match the classical definition, but perhaps not yours.
Second, who cares if you have a character that can, in SC only apparently, compete with other melee characters? Two melee's pounding on each in this game isn't a test of builds (much less skill), its a test of patience if neither player isn't an idiot.
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Actually Thor your both right and wrong here.
Your right in that it is a test of paitence and if ones an idiot or hates a long drawn out fight (takai enjoys fast wins and bores quickly for example) then it is more a measure of playstyle then skill.
However if the 2 oppenants in question are patient and like a long duel with no insps or accolades then skill and build do indeed play into the outcome.
And of course there will always be the element of luck present as well but thats a given. (Toggle drops Crits mis clicks ext)
Much of fight club vs high shw style play's differances come from playstyle preferances (Team, Zone, Arena, Solo, Duel) and also access to PLing and the means to make the toons to be competitve.
For example I could cannabilize all my toons but say 4 and then pl those 4 to SHW and go that route and be good on Justice (Not the best but good)
However I prefer having 12-15 good pvp toons on both sides most of which can 1v1 well at the middle weight rank and in Sirens.
This is both less boring to me and allows me the ability to always effect sirens call in some manner that is meaningful to me thus I chose this route.
I do not regret it personally I like to be original.
Zen.
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Honestly .. I can't wrap my head around this whole fight club thing when melee vs melee is very one-sided seeing how unbalanced this game is in PvP, especially duels. How skilled could you honestly be winning a melee vs melee fight?
The reason I say this is because way back in my PvE days I dabbled in a little fight clubs on Justice with my 50 SS/Invul Brute. It was the most retarded experience I ever went thru. One occassion was against a Ice/EM Tank. How is a SS/Invul suppose to beat a Ice/EM Tank with no insp, no temps? The fight was literally attack ->attack->attack->dull pain->attack->Ice/EM Hoarfrost->attack->Unstop->Survive until Unstop wears off->lose ... do you see how linear that is?
Maybe you can explain that to me.
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Mike you bring up some excellent points here and you make good actualy referances from experiance.
However there is one thing your missing in your example.
Fight club is primarily in Sirens and below Rarely does it go to WB.
This allows it to avoid not only the inps and accolades that are clicks from determinig a win for player but also aviods things like a tier 9 drop (temp phase) or Hibernoob making or breaking a duel.
It is a more balanced approach to a 1v1 between Melees (most of the time) then can be found in any other stage of the game save perhaps a duel between 2 very good dueliests at SHW with the same accolades and insp load out.
There are good sides to duels below 31 for many who prefer a fight club style.
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Honestly .. I can't wrap my head around this whole fight club thing when melee vs melee is very one-sided seeing how unbalanced this game is in PvP, especially duels. How skilled could you honestly be winning a melee vs melee fight?
The reason I say this is because way back in my PvE days I dabbled in a little fight clubs on Justice with my 50 SS/Invul Brute. It was the most retarded experience I ever went thru. One occassion was against a Ice/EM Tank. How is a SS/Invul suppose to beat a Ice/EM Tank with no insp, no temps? The fight was literally attack ->attack->attack->dull pain->attack->Ice/EM Hoarfrost->attack->Unstop->Survive until Unstop wears off->lose ... do you see how linear that is?
Maybe you can explain that to me.
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they make blasters stay still
lol stunspam
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I dont' you can take acro and Drool can't stun you or we can go insps if you like.
Zen.
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I <3 rock'em sock'em robots yo.
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Wish I still had mine...
Zen
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u must ask for a duel b4 u attackin the duel corner= if u dont ask to duel the person u attack then u will be killed by every 1 duelin in the corner
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I have to agree.
You will tend to get hunted by folks like me who ejoy watching 1v1s and thus choose to guard them at times.
But few interruptors are killed instantly (that really depends on whos there and how good the interuppter is)
Zen.
To each his own, but I can't think of a way that a decently built melee that was built for that purpose would ever be in danger. It's like using bumper cars to duel to the death.
Thorizdin
Lords of the Dead
Old School Legends
Wall of posts critical hit ftw
But yeah, I agree with Thor. I'm sorry, two decent players on invuln/ss tankers going at it for 3 hours is not going to have a result. That's the most obvious example.
I think zen likes to see himself post
At least I can almost guarantee all four of our posts will get a quoted response in four separate posts 
damn zen shadow or w/e his name is just made a cinder-worthy multi post.
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To each his own, but I can't think of a way that a decently built melee that was built for that purpose would ever be in danger. It's like using bumper cars to duel to the death.
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Aye to each thier own Thor.
I'll admit its definatley a house rules choice for a minority of players as a opposed to a majority of what the general PVPers would consider fun at all.
Not that it bothers any of us.
Folks that choose to play this way tend to be easy going and like a slower pace then say Zone Team PVP or Zerging style overwhelming spiker teams AKA (Ganks) with lots of deaths fast pace and back and forth action.
The type of player that tends to prefer a fight club is one who likes to die for what they consider a purpose of worth in the game to an opponent they tend to consider worthy.
I personally strive to learn from my losses and actually enjoy most of them.
Zen.
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Wall of posts critical hit ftw
But yeah, I agree with Thor. I'm sorry, two decent players on invuln/ss tankers going at it for 3 hours is not going to have a result. That's the most obvious example.
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You might be suprised there is only about one or 2 draws out of every 15 or so fights.
Longest you will see the above senario you described go on in sirens call level or below is 30 mins,
I mean its worse in WB with Hibernoob and or Phase IMHO (Another reason I tend to do this only in sirens)
My personal record is 55 mins on my DM/Energy armour Brute to a win against a spines regen scrapper that kited.
(not many's idea of fun I know)
Zen.
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I think you like to try and provoke folks and have an interesting sence of humor.
However this is one of your worst follow-ups ever. 
Zen.
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At least I can almost guarantee all four of our posts will get a quoted response in four separate posts
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You all are worth my idividual attention after all.
Zen.
I'm flattered
Props on being able to fight melee vs melee for 55 minutes without dying of boredom, though. Either props or sympathy, I'm not sure which.
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for all u how think Dual Blade is not a good PvP toon u r wrong. If u want to prove me wron just come to Justice PvP and i will show u. I built my DB/Regen for acc and rechar. my Dam output is so fast the person im duelin has no time to heal. just ask about Takai that is me. ppl used to talk about claws the same way but i build my claw/SR b4 IOs and i got to 400rep solo in a month. I racked up 34 rep n 1 hour solo. So i close with "PROVE ME WRONG"
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Your first post. No mention of melee only or sirens only. No mention of FC rules. I wonder why people misunderstood you.
Duel me.
I will work on my sig pic more when I have time.