Discussion: June 22nd City Scoop Edition!

Just so it's clear, I don't think anyone on the Scoop asked about Forum Titles before Ex Libris offered them to us.

If you're making a serious point about favoritism and elitism, I'd prefer you make specific examples instead of general ones, because I don't know what you're pointing at. If you're joking (and it seems like you are), then I chuckled.

I'm not about to hold someone's individual problems against other members of the same SG, so it baffles me that someone would even attempt to bar their SG members from reading something as a matter of policy. The forum may be semi-private and not fully under the coverage of the First Amendment, but there's nothing in the Code of Conduct or the EULA that you give up your right to choose. I'm glad you're ignoring his policy if it really does exist.

Well, I poke fun and can be serious at the same time. The air is changing around here, my whiskers are all a-quiver with it. Good or Bad? Meh, who can say. It's just 'Different'. On one hand the forum titles are Cool, interesting, and neat. But on the other it is easy to see where a feeling of favourtism or elitism could spawn. I'm a little split about it really.

As for the J-Force policy; that's how we roll. We're actually rather lucky that we are generally a close knit group of like minded individuals. All of which has little to do with the City Scoop except that there was a thread/post made down on the Freedom section. If interested I can send a link, though Lady A has posted in the thread, so *shrug*.

Oh, and I didn't think that the Forum Titles would have been asked for, or probably given if they had been. I must say, that there are mor and more of them cropping up, which is good. I personally like how they show what we have done for the commuinity or continue to do for the commuinity. Was I trying to point anything out? Honestly, I'm not to sure. I think I had a point, but, meh, whatever.

Anywho, I think that just about covers it. Like I said, I find the City Scoop a fun little diversion. Keep it up.

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Well, I poke fun and can be serious at the same time. The air is changing around here, my whiskers are all a-quiver with it. Good or Bad? Meh, who can say. It's just 'Different'. On one hand the forum titles are Cool, interesting, and neat. But on the other it is easy to see where a feeling of favourtism or elitism could spawn. I'm a little split about it really.

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True. But how is it any different from usual? We've already seen people use Post Counts to take shots at people they don't like, Star Ratings (When we had them), and Reg dates. And there are people who don't like the scoop for one reason or another, and will use anything they can as an excuse to attack people. So it's going to happen one way or the other.

Ok, there was some rumblings about favoritism going on in the Scoop? That is in no way anywhere near the truth. Why do I say that?

Because the Sudoku came from me and the Scoop Team was so nice in thinking that it was a cool idea and posted it. They even formatted it from my original and cleaned it up. (a BIG thanks for doing so btw) They could have gone with something else like another crossword or something, but they didn't.

I've made mistakes in the past on the forums and have been involved in some heated arguments. So in no way what-so-ever am I who you'd call popular or well known. But when I submit something one time and it gets accepted, then I have to stand up and rebuke anyone who says the Scoop shows favoritism.

Again Scoop Team, a big thanks from at least this player!

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Well, I poke fun and can be serious at the same time. The air is changing around here, my whiskers are all a-quiver with it. Good or Bad? Meh, who can say. It's just 'Different'. On one hand the forum titles are Cool, interesting, and neat. But on the other it is easy to see where a feeling of favourtism or elitism could spawn. I'm a little split about it really.

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True. But how is it any different from usual? We've already seen people use Post Counts to take shots at people they don't like, Star Ratings (When we had them), and Reg dates. And there are people who don't like the scoop for one reason or another, and will use anything they can as an excuse to attack people. So it's going to happen one way or the other.

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Meh, no arguement from me there. Shoot, I've had people point at my comparitively small post count in arguements. But this is now getting a little off track. Sorry for the de-railment.

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It's not really a derail, I asked you to clarify and you did. I appreciate it. I agree with you that things are different now, but to me it's in a Good direction. I don't so much see favoritism as highlighting the good things people have been doing, in some cases all along. Having forum titles like that helps dispel the climate of post count snobbery and anti snobbery. But you know that too.

I'll be perfectly straight with you and say, we're doing our level best to avoid any sort of elitism or favoritism. However we're kind of like any new publication, we try on a few new hats before we learn what works. We look at every section of the forums and everything we think of going on ingame, and try to find ways to include it.

There's always going to be limits to who/what we can include though.

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Well, I poke fun and can be serious at the same time. The air is changing around here, my whiskers are all a-quiver with it. Good or Bad? Meh, who can say. It's just 'Different'. On one hand the forum titles are Cool, interesting, and neat. But on the other it is easy to see where a feeling of favourtism or elitism could spawn. I'm a little split about it really.

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True. But how is it any different from usual? We've already seen people use Post Counts to take shots at people they don't like, Star Ratings (When we had them), and Reg dates. And there are people who don't like the scoop for one reason or another, and will use anything they can as an excuse to attack people. So it's going to happen one way or the other.

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Meh, no arguement from me there. Shoot, I've had people point at my comparitively small post count in arguements. But this is now getting a little off track. Sorry for the de-railment.

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Low post count? If you have a low post count then mine is minuscule.

The only reason mine is so low is that I only contribute to a discussion when I have a point or a sarcastic comment to make. That and I don't play forum games.

I personally do not feel that we are being gripped by favoritism, but, I'd imagine that a cynic would immediately feel me biased.

The issue is this: We work with who wants to help. Very frequently we have brought people into this project of whom we have never heard (I'd list examples, but that's their personal business.). We judge based on content, pure and simple. People send me things all the time, and I look them over. If the person has a genuine contribution to bring to the City Scoop, I approach the rest of the group and tell them, for example, "Certain person wants in. They say that they will watch the Market for us. They gave me a link to said watching." At which point we get a yay or nay. In my position, one of my main responsibilities is bringing people into this project and communicating with the public. I can honestly tell you that I hadn't heard of a very large number of these people before bringing them into the fold.

Take LiquidX, for example. He's a good guy, possibly made of goo, so I don't know how he has a goatee, but I don't judge. When this project started, Ex Libris made an announcement, stating that people could contact Teldon or me if they wanted to contribute. X took that opportunity, and began writing to me, telling me that he could contribute an advice column of sorts. We began talking, and, eventually, he convinced me of how much he truly does rule. I talk with the group, he gets brought into it.

Until then, my idea of LiquidX was "that one guy who may or may not have been around before me." Honestly, that was all I knew.

Hertz and I are constantly evaluating the City Scoop and what needs to be done with it. For example, we noticed that we have a severe lack of PvP coverage. Though not a lot of people have posted that complain in this Discussion thread, we felt within ourselves that it was our responsibility to represent that group. Neither of us play PvP. We know so little about it, that we didn't even know who the "Big Names" were. So, bravely, Hertz headed off to the PvP Forums and began asking around the place. I, meanwhile, contacted a very active member of the PvPEC, telling that person our ideas. After much effort, we have found two members of the PvP community in whom we have a lot of confidence. Therefore, starting soon, you can expect to start seeing PvP get the coverage it so richly deserves.

Why am I going into all of this? I want you, and anyone who reads, to understand how things are done in City Scoop. It isn't about favoritism. It's about finding the people truly dedicated to doing a good job, and asking for their help.

If you or anyone is interested in helping, contact me right away. If you feel that there are specific examples of favoritism in the Scoop, let me know. We WANT to be called out, if their are legitimate examples.

There's more, but I feel that I started rambling somewhere in there. Thanks for your time, though. I really appreciate the criticism, as we take every bit of it seriously.

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Well, I poke fun and can be serious at the same time. The air is changing around here, my whiskers are all a-quiver with it. Good or Bad? Meh, who can say. It's just 'Different'. On one hand the forum titles are Cool, interesting, and neat. But on the other it is easy to see where a feeling of favourtism or elitism could spawn. I'm a little split about it really.

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True. But how is it any different from usual? We've already seen people use Post Counts to take shots at people they don't like, Star Ratings (When we had them), and Reg dates. And there are people who don't like the scoop for one reason or another, and will use anything they can as an excuse to attack people. So it's going to happen one way or the other.

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Meh, no arguement from me there. Shoot, I've had people point at my comparitively small post count in arguements. But this is now getting a little off track. Sorry for the de-railment.

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Low post count? If you have a low post count then mine is minuscule.

The only reason mine is so low is that I only contribute to a discussion when I have a point or a sarcastic comment to make. That and I don't play forum games.

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Mine is lower and I am happy with my title hehe. I like the Scoop because it offers a pretty good variety of stuff that can appeal to a diverse crowd. Still I'd like to see a Justice interview, /em rib rib.