This is where you are wrong:
MoG -is- the bug.....
I've noticed that too, but I don't think it is a bug. You still have the MoG -regen on you still.
so mog is even worse then i thought?
/em head explodes
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This is where you are wrong:
MoG -is- the bug.....
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Damn, that's the FIRST thing that jumped into my head when I read the thread header.
@ Old_School - not everyone PvP's; for example, I don't and to me the power is virtually worthless. I don't really want to be a /Regen that doesn't, well, regen. If it works for you, then I'm happy that someone gets mileage out of it.
Until someone with psy attacks pops some reds and yellows, it may be good in PVP.
MoG is a good power, learn to use it and you will do well, if you cant use it you just not skilled enough 
But im not saying it couldnt use a little help, maybe just not so much of a hp hit and id really happy with it
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MoG is a good power, learn to use it and you will do well, if you cant use it you just not skilled enough
But im not saying it couldnt use a little help, maybe just not so much of a hp hit and id really happy with it
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Your apparent knowledge of MoG seems very parallel to your forum reg date. You are correct, though, in that if I am facing enemies 10+ levels below me, MoG is a lot of fun.
Also, if I haven't had debt in a while, I can thrust my arm skyward, knowing sweet defeat will enshroud my XP bar with the purple love that is debt.
I usually thrust the arm skywards, and scream "Kumbaya!!!!"
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And here I thought trying to outdamage a /Regen's HP recovery was the issue. So very thankful my blaster has AIM and BU......and you CAN'T recover lost hitpoints. Also, so glad that they added the Psy defense back into it..... 
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And here I thought trying to outdamage a /Regen's HP recovery was the issue. So very thankful my blaster has AIM and BU......and you CAN'T recover lost hitpoints. Also, so glad that they added the Psy defense back into it.....
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QFT. If you're regen, PLEASE use MOG against me. I promise I won't hit Aim and a yellow insp along with Targetting Drone and kill you in 3 shots with my 30% unresitable damage.
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MoG is a good power, learn to use it and you will do well, if you cant use it you just not skilled enough
But im not saying it couldnt use a little help, maybe just not so much of a hp hit and id really happy with it
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skip it and get a power that will provide you with consistent benifit.
for the incredably rare times when limited defence would be a better choice then EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE GAME make sure that you have a suply of lucks handy.
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What's with this "It's good in PvP so don't change it" mentality? Should we just have the devs mark such powers so we know in advance not to take it if we don't care about PvP (like the majority of players)? Just because someone has fun with it in PvP (and I find it hard to believe that they have), doesn't mean the power is "useful" in PvE terms. No powers should be specifally geared towards PvP, IMO. If you like PvP, I'm not knockin' on you, I just don't think you need to think it's the "end all, be all" of the game, and that it doesn't matter how the power works in PvE. I won't be doing the same with PvE. Powers need to be useful in both arenas.
But seriously, if 90% of people who post about MoG think its sucks, then perhaps we're onto something here, and it's really not a bunch of people pissin' and moanin'. I have yet to hear someone who likes the power describe "how to use it". I just hear them say "if you knew how". Which makes me wonder. Maybe I've missed some posts, I'm sure, but the popular voice sure makes a better argument here.
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Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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What's with this "It's good in PvP so don't change it" mentality? Should we just have the devs mark such powers so we know in advance not to take it if we don't care about PvP (like the majority of players)? Just because someone has fun with it in PvP (and I find it hard to believe that they have), doesn't mean the power is "useful" in PvE terms. No powers should be specifally geared towards PvP, IMO. If you like PvP, I'm not knockin' on you, I just don't think you need to think it's the "end all, be all" of the game, and that it doesn't matter how the power works in PvE. I won't be doing the same with PvE. Powers need to be useful in both arenas.
But seriously, if 90% of people who post about MoG think its sucks, then perhaps we're onto something here, and it's really not a bunch of people pissin' and moanin'. I have yet to hear someone who likes the power describe "how to use it". I just hear them say "if you knew how". Which makes me wonder. Maybe I've missed some posts, I'm sure, but the popular voice sure makes a better argument here.
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MoG has been around since the start of CoH, so for the Devs to prep it as a power which is (apparently arguably) good in PvP shows what incredible foresight our Devs have. Even if you dont particularly like MoG, you have to admit that putting in place a power that would be disparaged for ~ 2 years before finding a niche shows some forward planning.
Other reasons that MoG is actually a good power were preserved for posterity over here.
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What's with this "It's good in PvP so don't change it" mentality? Should we just have the devs mark such powers so we know in advance not to take it if we don't care about PvP (like the majority of players)? Just because someone has fun with it in PvP (and I find it hard to believe that they have), doesn't mean the power is "useful" in PvE terms. No powers should be specifally geared towards PvP, IMO. If you like PvP, I'm not knockin' on you, I just don't think you need to think it's the "end all, be all" of the game, and that it doesn't matter how the power works in PvE. I won't be doing the same with PvE. Powers need to be useful in both arenas.
But seriously, if 90% of people who post about MoG think its sucks, then perhaps we're onto something here, and it's really not a bunch of people pissin' and moanin'. I have yet to hear someone who likes the power describe "how to use it". I just hear them say "if you knew how". Which makes me wonder. Maybe I've missed some posts, I'm sure, but the popular voice sure makes a better argument here.
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I think PVP can be a balancer, as in ice tanks and stalkers being so good in pvp it somewhat makes up for their issues in PVE, but a power/AT should be at least ok in both arenas (IMO).
As for MOG, seems like the defense is too easy to overcome for it to keep you low on health. I notice that AVs with defense boosts (ie Mako) still regen while being hard to hit. I say, just add a big crash at the end like unstop has, so its a last ditch effort where you have to run if you havent won when its about to crash.
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I think PVP can be a balancer, as in ice tanks and stalkers being so good in pvp it somewhat makes up for their issues in PVE, but a power/AT should be at least ok in both arenas (IMO).
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what issues? Ice is a darn good tank now. The only problem I've ever heard a stalker having in PvE is that they don't synergize well with teams.
PvP should not be a balancer because eventually, you're going to have to say to a bunch of people that it's okay if they have problems in one part of the game because they are really good in different part of the game.... that they have no interest in playing.
And there's no nee to debate the merits of MoG in pve. That horse is a bloody pulp at this point. I'll just end by saying that PvP should not be used to balance PvE and in this particular case, MoG, it can't.
edit: OH, and SuperSilver, MoG did NOT have Psy def put back in.
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I've noticed that too, but I don't think it is a bug. You still have the MoG -regen on you still.
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but with powers like elude, when the defense is gone so is the icon.. even if you still have the -end effect going. So if the icon is still up when your defense is gone, then I would say its a bug
and plz people... he's not turning this into a debate on how good MOG is. Lets get some more post about his question guys
Back on target about the bug:
MoG sucks, and the bug doesn't matter, if you don't take the power to begin with.....
MoG doesnt suck if used right so yes the bug does matter. I just soloed a red conned non-psi elite boss with it. Its great to run when your IH runs out and if you say MoG is only good against -10 mobs you really dont have a clue and your just bashing mog. Without IH running, red conned EB's overcome too much of your regeneration and MoG compliments IH nicely WHEN it runs out and it will run out cause lvl 40-50 in CoV is jammed FULL of EB's. Btw, just soloed Mako (one of the hardest) using IH followed by MoG. Does MoG need work? yes. Does MoG suck? Nope. Not if used right and thats a fact.
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50 Spines / Regen Stalker
50 Claws / SR Stalker
50 DM / DA Stalker
42 DM / EA Stalker
40 Nin / Nin Stalker
Just compare MoG to other Tier 9 defensive powers!
I think it sucks.
(with apologies to /Dark)
Any power that lets a stalker solo a red conned elite boss doesnt suck.
(with apologies to /Dark)
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50 Spines / Regen Stalker
50 Claws / SR Stalker
50 DM / DA Stalker
42 DM / EA Stalker
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Your apparent knowledge of MoG seems very parallel to your forum reg date. You are correct, though, in that if I am facing enemies 10+ levels below me, MoG is a lot of fun.
Also, if I haven't had debt in a while, I can thrust my arm skyward, knowing sweet defeat will enshroud my XP bar with the purple love that is debt.
I usually thrust the arm skywards, and scream "Kumbaya!!!!"
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lol lol i popped MOG and died in 3 hits Mog needs work on it
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I've noticed that too, but I don't think it is a bug. You still have the MoG -regen on you still.
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but with powers like elude, when the defense is gone so is the icon.. even if you still have the -end effect going. So if the icon is still up when your defense is gone, then I would say its a bug
and plz people... he's not turning this into a debate on how good MOG is. Lets get some more post about his question guys
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Lastol1 is right here guys, forget whether or not MoG is a good or bad power, because that is illrelevant to wehther or not the icon should be on or not. If the icon is disappearing later or earlier then it should, then that should be corrected.
To the OP, when the icon is on what buff does it indicate? Should the icon stay on for the duration of ANY effect, or just the beneficial ones? Should two or more icons be used to indicate how long each effect is on? Should the other top tier powers be modified?
I don't need MoG to defeat a red conned EB. Maybe your offensive primary needs reworking.
ok, Ive tested this numerous times, MoG ends BEFORE the warning timer even starts blinking. All the other tier 9 powers are working fine though. Devs, pls fix this, MoG already has enough trouble as it is.
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50 Spines / Regen Stalker
50 Claws / SR Stalker
50 DM / DA Stalker
42 DM / EA Stalker
40 Nin / Nin Stalker