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Oh, I agree. I like the premise of a team matchmatching tool. It just needs a bit more functionality to well function .

And then segmentation as global channels reach capacity. It's really a subpar solution. To be honest, using the Help channel would prolly be a better solution that using globals. Server wide chat, easy to get to [automagic], and not population limit.

Quite, the connotation of bribe. And the implication that it's something undesired in this style of game.

Are you similarly against the multiple bribes we get for completing missions? The bribes we get for subscribing to the game for a prolonged period of time? The bribe we get for farming an ITF? The bribes we get for farming out defeat counts? The bribe we get to hang out and turn on rest while a rikti soldier fails to defeat us? The bribe to select powers that heal?

Arcanaville expressed that point fairly well.

Incarnate Level Shifts only work in Incarnate Trials.

If you are referring to the rest of the t3 and t4 abilties, then your mention of incarnate level shifts was superfluous.

Quite, although it leads to a really unfortunate situation with regards to Dev/player communications.

"Listen to their actions, not their words" I believe was the line that came out from another MMO's leaked internal memo. And there's also the situations where the 'community' seemingly despises the game publisher, yet they have been around since launch and are still paying ['Because nothing else is better' is usually the reasoning]. But it leads to a very hostile and bitter community.

I should note, I'm not really intending to blame the complainers. This is a truth that many developers know and realize, it just makes it difficult to 'come out' as it were when they get confronted with vitriol. I think it's just an unfortunate consequence of online communities.

Perspective difference I imagine. Someone may want a witch hat, or a glowing roman sword but not like TFs.

That doesn't so much mean that those rewards being there is intended to bribe those players into doing those TFs. It's simply a cosmetic reward for that type of content. You may not like that you are having to do content you don't like for a reward you do want, but it's not really designed to bribe the player into doing something.

It's a very odd distinction, since I guess when you get down to basics, any reward is a form of a bribe. Sure some are a bit more overt [the bribe to play instanced missions instead of street sweeping].

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A thought! The Master Of badges specifically could be argued to be a bribe to get players who don't really want to deal with the higher stress/difficulty required by those runs to do it anyway.

Really, I think it comes down to a point where the problem just lies that there is a reward past some objective that you don't want to pursue. And it's frustrating. The specifics of the gate aren't really important, it's just something getting between you and what you want.

It is a fair complaint still that perhaps too much is past that wall, or that specific items shouldn't be past that wall. Just that the 'bribe' comparison is really a loaded phrase that simply conveys "I don't like it".

Actually, the goal is to get as many players to become VIP players as possible. At least that's what's been stated, their goal is to remain primarily funded by the subscription revenues.

A fair perspective difference, if an interesting one .

In the same manner, conventional leveling is really only seen when you are getting new powers [not necessarily when you are getting slots, although I imagine auto-powers also feel empty].

Something to consider though, the differences between T1 and T4 for the incarnate abilities are really just numbers as well. There is more of a feeling of immediate progression with say, going from T2 Judgement to T3 than by contrast slotting another lotg and approaching Perma-Dom [of course, once perma-dom is achieved, it's a tipping point factor, much like soft-capped defense].

Personally, I feel the progression with IOs and Accolades are already established and many folks have already progressed through them as far as they are willing to with that character. But we have this new advancement avenue, but it's pretty heavily biased in favor of raid game play. So folks discount the older methods [and frankly, I don't blame them, they're old ] of advancement.

You mean after getting level 50 and finishing out your IO-build and Accolades, no?

Actually open leagues are supposed to try not to group you with people you are ignoring. That said, the population levels that are using the turnstile with out preforming a league first is pretty low.

To be honest, I only see one way that folks will really try to queue up a league instead of preforming, and that's if the players can do other stuff incidentally while in the queue.

It's unintended consequence. Due to the solo-only nature of the morality choice mission, it's technically a separate story arc.

The incarnate powers, but the incarnate level shifts do not. That's why I was confused at the incarnate shifts specifically being mentioned. Until I realized that the incarnate shift in that context was being mentioned superfluously if the individual doesn't want to do Trials in the first place, ever.

Your instance is reasonable, the increased survivability would make it possible for you to enjoy the trials, or at least stomach them easier. That's more a [legitimate] complaint about the disparity in difficulty for the starting out in the trials with certain character builds. There's a real problem with the disparity with survivability when you can soft cap your defense versus not. I feel it's more of a system wide problem that gets highlighted with the trials. It would still be nice to be address [either directly, or indirectly].

They are a carrot only if you want to do incarnate trials. Hence my confusion.

"I hate doing this stupid task for a reward that only benefits me when I'm doing this stupid task" is silly.

I'd say with Clarion at T3 being an exception, perma mez protection is a big game changer. It's build dependent yes, but I can see T3 being important for that instance.

Arguably with Reactive, but I really have a low personal opinion of interface.

Actually, thinking about it, with super sidekicking the way it is now. Why should we ever out level any contacts? Of course, it would demean some of the point of ouroborus, but still.

Erm, not sure if I quite follow you, so going to just say how I'm seeing your complaints.

Your perceived need to grind the trials comes from wanting to get the incarnate level shifts. I'm presuming this means you find the T1 and T2 abilities reasonably accessible.

However, you are upset at having to run [grind] the trials in question to get those incarnate level shifts. So you're upset that you are forced to run the trials for a reward that only comes up when you're running the trials?

Is it based on another similar 'Big If' that there will be an incarnate trial that comes out that you will want to participate in?

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Ah, I think I see now, you just don't like the Trials at all, ever, and the mention of the incarnate shifts was superfluous.

Well, unless Praetoria as a time-time travel event/arc somewhere, it'll be locked off implicitly because you need to be exposed to the TIME WARP before the Menders entrust you.

I hope they add the arcs to Ouroborus, but I can also see that the branching nature [the 'Call into Suchandsuch' lines specifically] being difficult.

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Also realized the 1-person lock mission at the end, would prolly need to have the entire arc 1-person locked too. Yick.

Erm, except it's only a carot. You are seeing that other people get carots and assuming you are getting beat with a stick, but ok .

Market Leader assumption is awkward, and different. There's no way usually to get specific drops from previous 'tier' content raids through the heroic tokens. Some items may get added, typically you'll find the class armor sets added. But specific items tend to be missing. And the reputation rewards are a different beast entirely anyway since those rewards are the same as the rewards you get as drops from the heroic runs [also, should be noted, that you'll advance at a rate that's significantly faster with that reputation grind doing those heroic runs anyway].

Personally, I see IOs filling a similar 'gearing' up aspect as the heroic drops, but I can see folks seeing them as being different due to the time-frame difference.

I prefer them, that said, I didn't run it at all until it was a WST. The reward isn't that 'big of a deal' for me personally. I think it's more a case of "it doesn't have arbitrary empty wait time" in it that makes it better than blueside.

Quite possibly, but try it sometime . See if you have everyone answer who is actually there.

Normally I see a leader try a chat ready check, 4 to 6 people answer, and then they queue up. Leaving the status of the other 14 or someodd people in question.

Eh, personally, I'd much rather it be 5 minutes and the wait removed if the league gets completely filled. But to be honest, the timer is the big factor reducing the viability of the LFG tool, it's the inability to do other things in the queue that manages that.

Awesome, and thanks, regardless I was wrong! Muwahahaha.