graystar_blaster

Originally Posted by TonyV

They are intended to store stuff for your supergroup. It's primarily intended as a mechanism so that if you don't need something and want your supergroup to have a crack at it instead of (or before) putting it on the market, you can. It's also an amenity to temporarily store stuff that you might want to use later.

It is not intended to be used as a permanent extension of your personal storage. If that were the intention, then it's not even necessary; as I said, the devs have the relatively easy capability of simply extending the number of slots you have, and have made the deliberate decision not to do so.



There's nothing wrong with making a supergroup. There's not really even anything wrong with earning 10 million prestige. However, the devs have repeatedly expressed that they do not like the practice of "farming." They've also expressed that they're not going to shut it down, having a very "play how you like unless it affects others" attitude, but they have in the past taken numerous steps to curb the practice. I'm not going to sit here and enumerate all of the things they've said and done, but if you stick around for a while and read their posts, you'll see for yourself.



That word, I do not think it means what you think it means. Using Wentworth's to unload your IOs is the opposite of hoarding. In fact, hoarding precisely means "storing." The exact post has probably long since been pruned, but in the past, the devs have explicitly stated that the storage limits and small inventory capacities were precisely to encourage people to use Wentworth's and the Black Market. "Marketeering" is exactly what you're supposed to be doing with that stuff. Instead of grinding and farming, turn loose of the IOs and use the influence you obtain to acquire what you want or need on your characters.



I respectfully decline this request. For one thing, I'm not going to have you blaming me when something goes wrong. For another, I'm not going to enable you to do yet more stuff that the devs kind of frown on. For yet another, it's not that hard to find. (Or really, to deduce, if you ponder it for a while.)



You're not just asking. Your questions were answered very early in this thread. The nutshell answer is that we don't know whether you'll lose access to your SG/VG base when you switch sides, but based on past experience with the devs, it's entirely possible. But in your post timestamped three and a half hours ago, you started opining on what bases are and aren't, and to be honest, a lot of it directly contradicts things I've read and heard about how the devs feel about bases.

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not mad at you. I just think that you're not hearing the answer you want, and so you are asking the same question over and over and trying to make tangent points to support your point of view and get a different answer. But no matter how you phrase the question, no matter how many times you ask it, and no matter how much you try to support your arguments, the simple fact is that in my opinion (and I don't think I'm alone), based on past statements and behavior by the developers, I don't think they're going to do anything to facilitate hero-to-villain transfers.

To be honest, though, given past history, it would not surprise me if they came up with some new mechanic entirely in the "switching sides" process. Or maybe they will allow direct transfers. Or hell, maybe losing all your stuff will be the price you pay, the burden you have to bear, for switching sides. After all, they've also repeatedly said that it won't be like flipping a switch. If you keep asking, you'll probably even get some people to agree with you. But this isn't a democracy where we vote on what we'd like best. It's a "benevolent dictatorship," and no matter how much we speculate one way or the other, we'll find out when we find out.

Originally Posted by Ironblade

If I'm understanding your concerns correctly, we don't need a redname to chime in to answer anything.

If a character leaves a supergroup, they no longer have access to the items in the SG storage. It doesn't matter if it's a 'personal SG' or 'one man SG'. The game system does not make that distinction. If Mighty Joe Hero is superleader of an SG and has 400 enhancements in the bins and leaves the SG, he no longer has access to those enhancements. Plain and simple. The items are not in any way "in jeopardy". The only thing in jeopardy is that one character being able to access them.

Taking a slightly different tack, none of the things you mentioned are put in jeopardy by Going Rogue. They MIGHT be put in jeopardy based on YOUR CHOICES. If you CHOOSE to go rogue, that's your decision. There is no way you will lose leadership or access to your stuff unless YOU DECIDE to take actions that have that result. The superGROUP system is not designed to accommodate solo SG's. Do NOT expect that to change for your convenience.

By the way, I think the system makes a great deal of sense the way it is currently and would STRONGLY oppose changes along the lines that you seem to want. (Not because I have any issue with you; because I think it would be bad for the game.)

Originally Posted by Karl_Rove_Man

Is it cheating if I join the first blind SG invite I get and loot the base?

Originally Posted by Lightfoot

You aren't supposed to be hoarding this stuff. You are supposed to be moving it through the market so that the huge piles of influence that are sitting out there can be used up. This is why there are those "silly limits on vaults and bins." Regardless, if you must leave, the stuff will still be in the bins for when you come back.

Considering you will be able to get all of the CoV exploration, History, Giant Monster, Defeat, mission, and SF badges if you switch sides, it is a lot more than 3 Badges you stand to gain.



The Prestige isn't yours, it belongs to the SG. They will still have it if you are forced out by switching sides (which, I might add, has not been set in stone). If you need to quit to switch, it is possible that when you switch back and rejoin the group you can pick up where you left off in your SG tallies (which, as I recall correctly, can only be viewed by members of your SG, so it only REALLY matters if you think that your friends will forget your contributions the moment you start to go Vigilante.)



If you want a Dev answer, PM a Dev. The Player Questions forum is for us Players to help other Players with their questions.



If you are going to return to the group after switching sides and coming back, the only thing you stand to lose is your Prestige tally. Everything else, and I do mean everything, should be just as you left it if your SGmates are your friends and as trustworthy as you say.



Your point is that you don't know, and that we don't know, and the possibility of it being some way you might not like is making you angry.

Never post angry, because I'm pretty sure that the above was not your real point.

Our point is: We don't know, and we won't until the Devs tell us. Until we do know, all the things you are getting angry over are just supposition and guesswork. Positron said, when this question was asked at HeroCon, that they were going to do their best to make as many people as possible happy with the sideswitching mechanic. Since nobody will be happy with having to quit their supergroup in order to explore the new content, I took this to mean that they were going to try their hardest to make SGs neutral. Obviously, your understanding of the same statement was different.

We'll know in a few weeks when the Beta starts. Hope to see you (and me, for that matter) in there.

Originally Posted by TonyV

Okay, let me try...

It's painfully obvious to me that what you intend bases to be and what the devs intend bases to be are very far apart. As has been said repeatedly, the devs have never created or supported bases to be "fortresses of solitude." The only thing that I know of that may have encouraged people to use them as such that I can think of was the huge reduction in base costs they rolled out a while back. But even then, I distinctly remember devs talking about how it was to help super groups, not mentioning the side affect of individuals benefiting as well.



No one is saying that you won't be able to keep your stuff. We don't know yet what mechanism they will implement. Maybe you will! Maybe you won't. Frankly, it's entirely within the realm of the possible that not even they know yet the answer to that, how do you expect us to? Keep in mind that everything you're reading here is speculation based on what we know about what the devs think about certain things and how they've implemented mechanics in the past.

But the simple fact is that you, like we, will have to just wait and see what happens.

If they decide that you won't be able to use your base if you switch sides, well, then there you go. They obviously still don't view your "fortress of solitude" the same way as you do.

Practically speaking, we all know that the devs have consistently not been amenable to people hoarding stuff. No, not even billion's of influence worth of purple IOs. If they wanted you to do that, you'd be able to carry around hundreds of recipes and/or enhancements instead of the <100/10 that you can today.

When you decided to hoard them in your SG bins, you were acting counter to what the devs wanted. What you were doing isn't strictly disallowed, so you are able to be the beneficiary of something they don't feel strongly enough about to crack down on. Congratulations. However, you must accept that "isn't strictly disallowed" is not the same thing as "encouraged."

Have you heard of the market "exploit" used to transfer influence/infamy between characters on different servers? It's in quotes because the devs have stated that they don't see it as a true exploit, but that it can be risky. They've also said that, like what you're using base bins for, they don't strictly approve of it, and that if you screw it up and lose a couple of billion because you bought or sold the wrong thing at the wrong price, well, that's too damn bad, and you're s*** outta luck.

Well, I get the feeling (which, if they decide that switching sides revokes access to your SG stuff, would prove validated) that since you're using a game mechanic for something that it was not intended, if you lose access to your purple IOs, that's just something you're going to have to live with.

I'm sorry if you end up feeling cheated because you worked "stupid hard" [the OP's words, not mine, lest anyone think I'm denigrating him] to get all of that stuff, I really am. But not to put too fine a point on it, this is the consequence of doing something the devs implicitly disapprove of. Even if you don't get smacked down directly, at some point, you run the risk of getting hosed out of what you worked so hard for.



Seriously, lose the entitlement. You're not forced to do anything. Will you have to make a choice? Maybe. Welcome not just to life, but to almost every game that's ever been written. You can't always get what you want. But if you try sometimes, you might find you get what you need.



Well, now we get to the heart of the matter. That "grinding farming" thing? See above notes about doing things the devs disapprove of.

Originally Posted by Eric Nelson

I don't believe this has been stated categorically yet, actually. If it was, then it may have been during one of the individual Hero Con panels I didn't attend -- I know for a fact it was NOT addressed in the "main" GR presentation during the HC prenote address, nor during a couple of the panels that I did attend.

(That said -- I agree, I would GUESS that personally-carried items will travel with the character, but like 99.9% of GR subject matter, it's just that...a guess.)

Originally Posted by TamakiRevolution

Pssst, btw... I'm pretty sure when he says his 10 mil prestige, he means it looks cool when you can look at a toon's total earned prestige for an sg and see a huge number. When he say's he's gonna lose that, he just means if he rejoined he'd be back at 0. I'd feel the same about one of my doms in my sg, even though he's only at 5

Originally Posted by Zombie Man

The problem here and in other threads dealing with this is that Bases were designed to belong to a *group*, not an individual. And by 'group' I mean a group of players, not a group of one player's alts.

The group that owned the base was either a group of heroes or a group of villains, and the two don't mix. (And while there are comic book examples of opposing faction groups co-operating, that line of argument is just plain stupid since those groups never last in those very same comic stories.)

So, a group of heroes owns a base. That's what SuperGroup Bases are supposed to be. Why would anyone think that a character can leave the SuperGroup, turn villain, and still have access to the base? (Again, one-time scenarios from comic books don't apply.)

"Hey, Justice League, I've decided to leave you so I can rule the world and force everyone to do things my way since I know best, so, I'm leaving. Since I did a lot of the work on the base supercomputer, I'm going to take that with me. See ya. Hey, you're blocking the computer, ow ow ow, stop that!"

Now, since their inception, Bases have evolved so that individual players can rather easily have their own private base. This has given some the idea that their base is their own private lair, and not the property of an organization. But that's not how they're set up intrinsically.

If the Devs allow a sole-owner base to transfer their base to redside, then how can they say no to the SuperLeader of a base used by an active SuperGroup of players? And if you say to allow a base to switch sides if there's only one player in it, then that would encourage SuperLeaders to kick everyone out so they can switch over 'their' base.

Heck, one loses their base by switching servers, let alone alignments. Don't see how one can switch sides and take 'their' base with them without convoluted and unrealistic role-play rationales (this *is* a mmoRPg) and causing *a lot* of bad feelings from members of SGs who've had their bases taken away from them because their SuperLeader switched sides.

Originally Posted by Smurch

I hope they don't engage in force-quit SGs. If someone feels it doesn't make sense for their side-switched character to be in the same group they can always quit (or if leader, kick others of the wrong morality out) but if I have to remove my characters from my SG that I worked so hard to build just to be able to enjoy content I had to PAY FOR I'm going to be very very unhappy.

Originally Posted by Rajani Isa

Linked from the Herocon forum

Pt 2 is all the GR stuff

Also, learning to use the search page can help out a lot.

Originally Posted by graystar_blaster

PvP drops ayone know a number i been testing and im after 3 weeks-ish finding about 220 kills per drop anything offical out there.?

my poor real life freinds have help me but i split the rewards with them.

I find it a little low but maybe its our luck so far its about 17 drops in 3 weeks and its close to 4000 kills the profits are grat but were stopping cause we seem to not be levleing toons this way lol. Time to get back to game at least we all funded a new toon.


P.S. its mind numbingly boring i dont reccomend it unless u got freinds that cn take turns with you

the reason i ask is we all moved a pvp toon to freedom since its free and were trying to see if its just cheapr to run merit drop missons arcs or ae to buy the pvp ios. since we all want a pvp purple pvp'iod toon

ty

happy holidays

Originally Posted by graystar_blaster

My bud and I have had blasters going at against each other in Warburg and PvPIOs seem to not drop about 300 kills between the two of us so far.

Any ideas or is it just bad luck

Originally Posted by SunGryphon

RNG doesn't like you. Sacrifice a d20.

Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill

While there's a 1:something *chance* for one to drop, that doesn't mean that one WILL drop with that many kills. Sounds like (a) bad luck and (b) potentially the timer involved. (just killing someone, letting them rez, killing them, etc. won't do anything - 5 minute timer.) See also this thread.

Originally Posted by vernichterhelge

you can get 4 performance shifter in stamina to get mor HP and recovery (+end, endmod, endmod/rech, endmod/acc)

Originally Posted by Lucky666

If this is pvp you need to fix alot of things first you got alot of defense but this is a balster and in PVP zones blasters literally can't go over 20% def and even that's useless. Get rid of aid self and carry greens replace it with phase. Nova is crap in pvp and same with any other AOE get rid of them so nova and energy torrent. Melee attacks on ranged toons are weak loose em. You need 41 points of KB protection so get acro and 32 points from IOs. Get power push and slot it for knockback and use it. Oh ya change your epic to ice so you get a real self heal that also boosts your max hit points no aid self nonsense.

Hope that helps

Originally Posted by Postagulous

Anywhere they can to replace a plain ol' travel IO. No reason if you're making a killer build to skimp on something as cheap as a Zephyr. The bonuses aren't bad, 3% def of this, 2% def of that.

With just one you will have slammed superspeed to it's cap without even slotting SS.

Edited to add: Fury's fourth sentence FTW.

Originally Posted by Fury Flechette

I'm not sure who you would qualify as an expert. I'm loathe to make a post on this thread. You do realize that people make build comments for free taking their own time to do so. Asking to qualify themselves as an expert before hand is nothing short of obnoxious.

And as for the build...to be blunt, it stinks. Especially because of the vast amount of influence you spent on it. And no, it's not out of jealousy. I have billions myself and have no problems outfitting my characters in the best *if* it's what makes them the most effective.

I'm not going to go over every little detail but I will point out three things.

1. Purple procs are exceedingly good for dps yet you've excluded them every time.

2. Your build has no focus. When people build they work towards a goal: capped ranged defense, capped S/L defense, high recharge, high survivability, etc. Your build is all over the place and the only focus you seem to have is that you like to warehouse expensive sets in your build. More expensive IO sets does not necessarily mean that they're the best choice for your build.

3. You should read this: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Enhancement_Diversification. You're way over the caps in multiple powers and the amount of increase will be shockingly little to improve your build.