eryq2

Originally Posted by Breog

I'm not sure were all the "get a farm toon" and "go Farm stuff at blah blah" are coming from. I thought I made it pretty clear I have and do both *shrug*. But I do apphriate the helpful suggestions. I don't need them, but others reading this thread may find the information useful.

As to the 3 Purples in one TF, I have grouped with this person before and they always seemed on the level. So without reason to doubt him, I have to believe he really did get 3 purples on that TF. RNG is just that I suppose... Random.

Anyways since posting this yesterday someone must have felt sorry for me.

I go into my first tip mission of the day, hit KO blow on the nearest Minion and POW.

Ragnorok: Chance of Knockback

The Purple Dead zone has been broken LOL. Someone must have turn on my "Can recive purples" Code.

Granted it wasn't the best of Purples, compared to what you can get but I was VERY very excited to finaly see one drop never the less.

To make things double exciting, I my glee of joy I hit my AoEs and see the following pop up.

Incarnate Shard Bonded

Sweet!!

So not only did I get my purple recipe, I also got the last shard I needed to upgrade to my T2 Incarnate Enchamcent

Originally Posted by Chaos Creator

Maybe you haven't noticed it but purples are dropping like rain lately. I'm seeing reports of 2 purples in a single tf often.

Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint

You are not slotting the same way if you are running out of slots. If you slot the same exact way as when fitness was in your build, there should be no problem. If you don't have it yet, download Mids. It is a very useful tool in helping with your builds.

Originally Posted by Canine

I'm in the EU, last I knew, you couldn't gleemail inf from the EU->US, and vice versa.

:edit:

as a slight addendum, my Mace/WP brute got an Apocalypse Dam/End drop today, listed it, and it insta-sold for a flat 1 billion. Whuh? o_O

Originally Posted by seebs

eryq2, I think you're missing UG's point.

He's not talking about farming in order to get rewards, but the rewards that come if you play the game because you enjoy playing the game. So of course it's not anywhere near as efficient a an activity chosen based on the rewards it provides.

If I decide to spend the afternoon running missions with a friend because we like hanging out together, we'll get a lot less XP than I would on an 8-person team, in all probability, but I'll have fun. So if I point out that you can in fact level on a duo without 8-man teams, pointing out that 8-man teams are a better way to gain levels is missing the point.

One of the questions people have is whether you need to explicitly seek out ways to farm inf, or whether you get enough "just playing". So UG's giving some solid numbers for what you get "just playing", rather than specifically farming something for the sake of farming it.

Originally Posted by Obitus

Your reply is self-contradictory: On the one hand, you want to redefine Uber's playstyle as farming; on the other hand you want to say it's less effective than farming, even going so far as to criticize him for not maximizing his farming potential.

The point is that you don't have to farm to make lots of influence. He purposely used an example that was less effective than farming. A single-target-specialized build (Dark Melee) running door missions normally is not a farmer.

By your definition, almost any combat can be described as farming. Or not, when it suits you. I notice that nowhere -- despite your rush to dismiss Uber's data -- do you address the fact that he's making more than enough influence to outfit just about any build you can imagine in a matter of weeks. That was the point of contention, was it not?

Posted previously:

Originally Posted by UberGuy

So, just to test out my theory about being able to push harder, I ran five paper missions today, treating them as "defeat all". Except for one spot, I didn't stop playing missions to sell recipes or salvage. I was much more aggressive, simply running into spawns and hoping for the best, rather than more deliberately pulling them around corners for large Soul Drain + Shadow Mauls. I did die once, running into a spawn of +3 Council and pulling them right into a spawn of +2s. I didn't see that I ran right up to a +3 Galaxy Archnon. "Why hello, mister 'my Tough+Resilience does nothing to reduce your attack damage.' Yes, it's a very nice day."

I ran from mission to mission as fast as was reasonable, stopping at the Quartermaster to sell commons if it was on the way. By the middle of the 5th mission, I filled up on salvage.

The game cursed me a bit with lots of Circle of Thorns missions. Death Mages can slow me down a lot, because my build has no direct way to deal with their toHit debuff. Instead, I rely on my +defense powers to get in close and slather them in debuffs. The toHit debuff in their version of Chill of the Night can miss, so if I do this right and am lucky, they won't debuff me (much). I wasn't lucky much today.

Despite this, I clearly did improve. Over the course of the time I stayed in combat I did a better job of sustaining an average closer to 6M (raw) inf/hour with .


Other things of note: I got two more Crushing Impacts, and I sold a crafted Sirocco's Dervish Acc/Dam for 18M(!).

I am going to go back and tweak the parser to include inf from common IOs as though they were an inf reward equal to their store value at the time of the drop message. I can spit out the graphs in a way that shows the updated totals in the same number of bars, just putting the recipe values on top of the defeat values in a different color. I'll update the posts in-line. I may not do that today. Edit: It wasn't very hard, so now done around 3 CST.

As an aside, I maxed out my WW/BM sales count badges today, the "old fashioned" way - just selling salvage and other stuff.

So anyway, circling way back to the original point, I'm well on track to earning multiple billions of inf per month on a richly outfitted but in many ways fairly inefficient character. The charts showing how my defeats-only earnings vary over my logged in time show that I am on track even once we account for my "real" hourly earnings and drop rates, not just heavily filtered, combat-only rates such as those taken by Herostats only while in combat.

So I call baloney on the notion that people have to farm or resort to RMT to create richly outfitted characters in relatively short timeframes. People who do those things may be outright dumb, or they might just not know any better, but they definitely have other options. If they're just too impatient, that's their problem.

Originally Posted by UberGuy

This is really simple. The idea that your fun is tied to swiftly completing purpled builds builds is whack. It doesn't really matter if you agree. Almost no one behind the wheels of a modern MMO will agree to that for whatever the equivalent is in their game. It doesn't matter what the market is like there, or what the acquisition methods. If the goods in question are "uber", it's pretty universally going to take you time to buy them.

Those people are (a) stupid or (b) terminally impatient. Honestly, given the reputation of RMT providers, I think they're both.

I have never done anything like use RMT. I hardly ever farm, because it bores me. I haven't "played" the market since I11. I punch stuff, use my brain, and I have 11B inf in liquidity, and I have 7 richly IO'd characters, most with 1-3 purple sets and one with a PvP+3% defense.

I'm sorry, but I am proof your claims are wrong. I'm not even trying that hard. I'm just patient. If your definition of fun requires maximal builds with little or no patience then you're out of luck.

What's patient? I have made, on a Dark Melee/Regen Scrapper, right now looking at my Inf display, 450M inf since the evening of Nov. 16th. I've earned that doing nothing but playing Tip and Paper missions <edit> a set of patron arcs</edit> and a couple of TFs. I have not "played" the market at all - no flipping, no niches, nothing. I have not sold any single drop that's netted me more than 10M inf - I have only sold uncommons and "crappy" rares like LotG: Def/Rech. (The pool B, not the +7.5% global.). I've crafted recipes and sold them.

That's net. I've spent about 50 million inf on stuff I needed after a respec and various crafting fees.

Nine days. At this rate I'd earn 20B inf in 44.4 days.

And you know what's the best part? I've gotten other stuff that I can use. I have "earned" more than that inf suggests, because I've hoarded good stuff I plan to use and thus don't have to buy, or could sell later for more money.

Now imagine I was spending my merits. Imagine I was playing something with more AoEs who could kill faster. Imagine I was running more TFs, and earning more merits. It'd all be better, faster, stronger.

Everyone is not me. Everyone will not be able to match my numbers. But frankly, I'm not convinced I'm all that good. I just think I have a pretty good idea what I'm doing. Anyone who has a good idea what they're doing at least has the potential to match or exceed me. People like me tell others in this forum what we do. Where's it going wrong?

Originally Posted by SwellGuy

I don't think there are too many just a vocal few and it's not that it's difficult to figure out it's that they are so smitten with the idea that they shouldn't have to make any effort to have the elite gear of our game but that they also deserve to have it because it is there.

Left to choose between making a small effort to get the goodies or whine over the unfairness of the evil flippers in the market they choose the easier path of whining.

Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade

I have two characters a /fire and a /elec that use smashing haymaker, multistrike, not more than one Touch of death set, and a mishmash of reactive armor and titanium's for smashing and lethal defense. the whole build costs less than just 3 attacks slotted with kinetic combat, and while I'm not softcapped, I'm at 28% on one and 34% on the other. Thats not worthless, it is, infact, an extremely high performance jump over just SOs on a resist set. It also comes with a lot of +HP, and a decent amount of +recovery and those are also both very nice.

Defenders, Blasters, Dominators, corrupters and controllers can also very cheaply build modest recharge and ranged defense using nothing but cheap sets. Easily in the range of 40% global recharge and 25-30% ranged defense. Not anything as powerful as going all out with purples, but it'll cost vastly less and the performance jump over SOs is mind blowing for someone who'se never tried IOs before.

Originally Posted by Nethergoat

I had to buy a couple a few weeks back- was running Posi II with a PUG and levelled a couple of times. Cook's Electronics was right by the trainer, it was the right origin, so I thought "why not!"


NEVER AGAIN!

I'd almost forgotten the annoyance and frustration of fishing around for what you want then buying the wrong thing anyway and not noticing until you try to slot it. On the plus side, the wasted inf doesn't matter these days...but it still sucked.

I will run EMPTY until I can get to the market next time.

Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master

if you are lvl 22 and buy lvl 25 SOs, they will last until you lvl past 28, which is actually 6 lvls, but you can buy lvl 30 SOs at 27 which is only 5 lvls

Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade

I'd add another category, or expand on #2. That is the people who don't understand the difference in price between Kinetic combat and Smashing Haymaker, or between Obliteration and Multistrike does not equate to a similar difference in performance. People with money pay huge amounts for a small gain. Too many people start to move from SOs to IOs and think they need the best, not realizing what an enormous difference getting the low-end sets will make.