Xanthus_EU

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Which has made me wonder why known good PVPers from hero side dont make more villain characters

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I actually beleive its more down to being afraid of leaving the dizzy heights they are at on COH and entering into an unknown situation where they may not perform at a standard they have come to expect in PVP. But then Im cynical

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Actually, it's because I just don't enjoy playing Villains as much as Heroes.

We did do a villain team, actually, on Union. We 0wned sirens a few times, but then we just kinda stopped playing.

Team One

Icy Thunder (@E-Gen)
Elistan (@Caramoun)
Vigilant (@Rooks)

Team Two

Zep (@Hackitoff)
Phobos- (@Phobos)
Dr Mambo (@Uncle Al)

Team Three

X-plosive (@X-treme)
Shadow Strike (@Stryker)
Bigboy3387 (@Bigboy3387)

Team Four

Melon Baller (@Braindead)
Far-Seer (@Far-Seer)
TsubaXIII (@thePhilosopher)

Team Five

Psydock (@Psydock)
Knight Stalker (@Knight Stalker)
Irradiator (@Irradiator)

Team Six

Gutts (@Max Powerz)
Gaia Guard (@NeoArc)
-Substitute-

Team Seven

Exofrost Mk IV (@Kinslayer)
Gatling (@Gatling)
-Substitute-

Team Eight

Spyka (@Stalk-obot)
Kaya X (@Kaya)
-Substitute-


Just changed two things with teams One and Three, replacing Jadis and Stagefright (who were eliminated) with Icy Thunder and Shadow Strike (who weren't).

Sorry for all the screw-ups guys.

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And you do realize that announcing this beforehand will ensure there will be bazillion hardcore zone PVPers out there wanting a piece of you.. Whatevers left over after me, muhahahaa

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You're giving the game away.

It's better to set a day for the fights to happen than to allow them to happen over a week. Lots of people ended up losing lives through no fault of their own when we allowed people to organize their own matches, simply because some people don't turn up.

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Where it says Substitute (team 6 and 7) does that mean we have to find one or will there be a set sub?

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I'll find one on the night.

I'll have a look at the results and stuff later on this evening, Stage, and correct the results if I've made a mistake.

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also any explanation why I suddenly got this extra life?

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Because my spreadsheet says you have an extra life. I've been updating it every week, so I don't think it's wrong.

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Xanth, nice to see the teams and how many lives everyone has but you've forgot to say which teams are actually fighting which

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Fixed.

Here are the current standings for Union 3vP:

Three Lives

Psydock (@Psydock)

Two Lives

Gutts (@Max Powerz)
Kaya X (@Kaya)
Dr Mambo (@Uncle Al)
X-Plosive (@x-treme)
Gatling (@Gatling)
Elistan (@Caramoun)
Knight Stalker (@Knight Stalker)
Vigilant (@Rooks)

One Life

Exofrost Mk IV (@Kinslayer)
TsubaXIII (@thePhilosopher)
Jadis (@Idris)
Stagefright (@Stagefright)
Seismic Zest (@Blue Note)
Melon Baller (@Braindead)
Bigboy3387 (@Bigboy3387)
Spyka (@Stalk-obot{)
Zep (@Hackitoff)
Far-Seer (@Far-Seer)
Irradiator (@Irradiator)
Phobos- (@Phobos)

And here's the draw for next week:

Team One

Stagefright (@Stagefright)
Elistan (@Caramoun)
Vigilant (@Rooks)

Team Two

Zep (@Hackitoff)
Phobos- (@Phobos)
Dr Mambo (@Uncle Al)

Team Three

X-plosive (@X-treme)
Jadis (@Idris)
Bigboy3387 (@Bigboy3387)

Team Four

Melon Baller (@Braindead)
Far-Seer (@Far-Seer)
TsubaXIII (@thePhilosopher)

Team Five

Psydock (@Psydock)
Knight Stalker (@Knight Stalker)
Irradiator (@Irradiator)

Team Six

Gutts (@Max Powerz)
Gaia Guard (@NeoArc)
-Substitute-

Team Seven

Exofrost Mk IV (@Kinslayer)
Gatling (@Gatling)
-Substitute-

Team Eight

Spyka (@Stalk-obot)
Kaya X (@Kaya)
-Substitute-

The fights will be as follows:

1 vs 5
2 vs 8
3 vs 4
7 vs 6

This week, the fights will be taking place at 7:30pm on Thursday the 13th of July in Galaxy Arena (Emerald Section) for Heroes and Port Oakes Arena (Emerald Section) for Villains. Hope to see you all there!

I've found Sunday is the day when the majority of people are avaliable. Why do you think I run Hamidon raids on sundays?

I can't do wednesday either, I don't think. My shift just changed, so I'm working 5pm-10pm that evening.

Edit: HH, you should've done this like I did 3vP. Set a date first and then take signups. That way, people who enter know when they'll be expected to be online.

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GLOOOORRRAAAAXXXXXX!!!!!

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Oh, and Tainted Greek said to post one from him too:

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You need to take out Healing Aura from that equation. You can't really get close enough to the tank/scrapper to fire it without dying.

Don't forget that Hamidon hits a lot harder than an AV as well, although I'm not sure if you can simulate that.

Sunday should be OK for me too. Sat is bad because I'm working 2-8pm.

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Well, I suppose the best would be 2/3/3 really which I might get soon I hope. But I'll just stick with my 2/3/2 for the moment.

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Atcually, the best would be 3/3/3.

3 Endoplasm Exposures and 3 recharge.

Recharge: 5.13 seconds
Duration: 15.59 seconds
Accuracy: Enhanced 94%.

Able to stack 3.03 times.

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This is what I have in my hold. Now all they need to do is make a recharge/range hami-O and I'll be 3/3/3/3, able to stack holds from miles away.

Put Powernova, Red Dragon/Red-Dragon and Xanthus down as subs for us.

Do we really have to confirm subs beforehand? I can't really confirm that we'll have the same 6 people each match since many of us have odd schedules which means that our teams often change on the day.

Mine:

Blasters:
Captain Freon
Edene Delphene
Gatling
Plight Trawler
There aren't really any other blasters I'm afraid of fighting really.

Defenders:
Elerith
Powernova
G-Zeus (well, he used to be)
Salla
Shaman X

Tanks:
Infi
X-Plosive
Max Powerz
Novocaine
As Powernova said, I don't really know any other tanks to put in here.

Scrappers:
Nightbringer/Columna
Knight Stalker
The french DM/SR who won S4, whose name I can never remember
I'm not really that afraid of other scrappers.

Controllers:
Mesmer
Gravinverseur (I don't know if I spelt your name right, sorry if I didn't!)
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You're now talking about a completely different method of tanking Hamidon.

I'm not bashing Unions strategy, since we've had this argument already, but I don't think this method of tanking hamidon is as good as the method we use on Defiant. As I said, though, I don't want to go into that argument again.

In your first post, though, you made it sound like you were commenting on the Defiant method of tanking Hamidon (one tanker backed up by two empaths). In this method of tanking hamidon, a tanker is far better than a regeneration scrapper.

The Paragon Defenders team will most likely be

Elerith
Decibellion
Captain Freon
Columna
Mesmer
Whatever Archys controller is called.

Although we might have different people in place of Columna and Bad Sector depending on who can show up and so on.

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After healing the taunter in 3 or 4 hamis i still think regen scrappers were easier.

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In which issue? Union have done one Hamidon raid post-i6, which they used this strategy for. Your experiences just aren't relevant any more.

Twilight Grasp and Transfusion are terrible -regen powers. For those of you who have been hit by one in PvP, you'll know that you get "immobilized" for a very short amount of time after you're hit by one. The -regen debuff only applies while this immob is in effect in PvP and PvE. Only "lasting" -regen debuffs such as Lingering Radiation and Howling Twilight are any good.

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also for the taunt team, would regen scrappers with a taunt power be useful, i know they dont have as much HP but being regen means they are best for surviving hami attacks, and all scrapper sets do have a single target taunt in them.
just a suggestion

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From my experience as a healer to the hami taunter regen scrappers are ten times better than a tank and yes ive been in the hami tank team a few times.

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Can a regen scrapper get 3000+ HP when entering the bubble? No. Tanks are better. All you need for a hami-tank is a lot of HP nowadays, and tanks have way more than a scrapper. Regenners used to be used when IH was a toggle, since it was possible to perma dull pain and then tank hamidon with no support whatsoever. Since IH and DP can no longer do that, real tankers are way better.

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From my experience as a hami tank healer I agree fully with Shannon: regens scrappers are better than tankers thanks to the regen. Yes, having loads of HP helps, but only so much. However, I wasn't on Jiaozy's raid and I don't know how taunting was done on his version so my experiences are solely from the 'typical' raids.

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The regen means nothing when you have 3 empaths spamming Heal Other on you. The reason that regen was used pre-i5 was because they could tank hamidon with no support. Now, they need support to be able to do it so having more HP is more important than having more regeneration. Tankers get more HP, and so are better.

Look at the track record in i6 on Defiant. We used to use Mr ?, a claws?/regen scrapper to tank. Moving him into the bubble used to take at least 3 attempts, even with 10+ PA droppers grabbing the aggro. Don't forget, this is i5/6, so PA actually worked. He used to die a few times during the raid as well, causing problems for the clearing/holding groups.

Now lets look at the track record for when we've used Novocaine, an Invulnerability/EM Tank. Number of deaths moving him into the bubble? 0. Number of deaths during a raid? 0. Not only that, but we back him up with two Empaths usually, rather than the 5+ that Mr ? used to have.

I'm not saying that Mr ? and his team are bad players, as player skill isn't a factor in this. All the whole tank team has to do is green ring one power and keep firing it. Occasionally the Empaths have to group up for RA so they don't run out of end, but really that doesn't take any skill at all. Those are the facts. Tanks are better than Scrappers at tanking Hamidon at the current time. In the past Scrappers may have been better, but that is not the case now.

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also for the taunt team, would regen scrappers with a taunt power be useful, i know they dont have as much HP but being regen means they are best for surviving hami attacks, and all scrapper sets do have a single target taunt in them.
just a suggestion

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From my experience as a healer to the hami taunter regen scrappers are ten times better than a tank and yes ive been in the hami tank team a few times.

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Can a regen scrapper get 3000+ HP when entering the bubble? No. Tanks are better. All you need for a hami-tank is a lot of HP nowadays, and tanks have way more than a scrapper. Regenners used to be used when IH was a toggle, since it was possible to perma dull pain and then tank hamidon with no support whatsoever. Since IH and DP can no longer do that, real tankers are way better.

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Well, this isn't really true, you can't perma hold anything in PvP

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You may want to tell that to Double Control who had my integration running perma held after about 30 seconds. his hold was cycling back and locking on me again before the first hold was dropping

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His holds would've supressed eventually. You cannot perma-hold anything in PvP.

Hero Builder is wrong. All the controller sets single target holds are identical in everything except animation.

Tomorrow.