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Sort of like a taunting version placate? I could get behind that.

Well aren't you a fun little ball of hate.

I was going to say "don't peacebringers sort of do this already?"

It's not an argument. It's a statement. Information. Whatever.

Just let it go~

EDIT: Congrats on your 3000th post.

I'm posting to let YOU know that I'm not arguing with YOU. My post was entirely for YOUR benefit.

I don't have any other way of more clearly saying that.

What discussion? This is just you being snarky and me not really being in the mood for it right now.

I could have replied with something about how your rad/sonic is an outlier example, which of course you already know. Then you would go on some math rant, and I would go on some math rant, and it's just tired and done.

I mean, do you *really* want to have this discussion again?

So, yeah, no, I'm just letting you know I'm not going to do that with you right now. Maybe later.

It made me smile~

...Eh.


I'm just not in the mood, sorry.

Why wouldn't water blast be adjusted to fit in with the changes planned for Blasters in the future?

Basically the method I am suggesting is that you build your attack chain as normal, and then compare how many cycles of your attack chain it would take to down a boss/av against how many cycles of that attack chain it would for a blaster. So you're average level 50 arch-villain has about 28,271 hit points. So if your attack cycle does something like 1,000 damage every rotation and takes 12 seconds to finish, you can quickly figure out that it takes about 28 cycles of your attack chain plus some extra to down an AV, which would take (12 x 28) = 336 (about five and a half minutes) seconds to take down.

Then you would take each chunk of your 28 attack cycles and apply average critical hit formula for each interval of boss HP, which would likely shorten it considerably. If you want to be SUPER DUPER ACCURATE TO THE POINT PEOPLE STOP LISTENING TO YOU you could take each individual power and calculate for average critical hit damage bonus to get an even more refined idea of what Scourge is doing.

Then you compare it to whatever numbers you get for your blaster.

Just make sure, for your corruptor (and blaster) that you are taking your attack chain out far enough to consider things like Build up, Fulcrum Shift, or anything else that requires you to stop hitting things and buff yourself. I've seen too many kinetics post their DPS numbers like Fulcrum Shift and Transference just happen magically.

*EDITED FOR CLARITY*

Defenders are typically busy defending; They do not have time to compete with you for damage, generally. The situation where the defender feels comfortable enough to abandon actively mitigating damage and focus on dealing it instead is generally a situation where things are dying at such a rate that questions like "who is doing the most damage in this hurricane of death?" are largely irrelevant.

Yes, but you're making the assumption that the Blaster has no overkill because his damage isn't attached to a proc effect like scourge. Yet we both know that isn't true and that in reality blasters are entirely capable of taking out minions with powers that far exceed the amount of hit points they have remaining. Corruptors do this more obviously, but Blasters are still subject to it.

For example, according to Paragon Wiki, at level 50 the average minion has about 430 HP. To keep things simple, let's pretend we have a corruptor and blaster alternating between power bolt and power blast at 99.08% of their enhancement value (numbers from mids).

For a Corruptor you have Power Bolt doing 83.03 damage, and Power Blast doing 136.2 for a combined total of 219.23 damage per "attack cycle".

For a Blaster you have Power Bolt doing 124.05 damage, and Power Blast doing 204.3 for a combined total of 328.5 damage per "attack cycle". (ignoring defiance)


So the Corruptor uses Power Bolt and Power Blast and does 219.23 damage to a lv50 minion reducing his HP from 430 to 210.77.

The Blaster does the same thing and reduces the minion to 101.5 HP.

The Blaster can finish off the minion in one more attack, while the Corruptor can only do that if his next attack scourges, otherwise he'll need both. For the Corruptor to catch up to the Blaster in terms required number of attacks to kill a minion he only needs to increase his damage by about 10-15%. Blaster can compete with the Corruptor by increasing his damage until he can finish off the minion with less attacks, but at some point they are both going to be 1 shotting the thing, at which point no more damage is possible and they are effectively tied for damage.


Anyway, that's just an example to illustrate my point. To do it for real you would want to take significantly more competent attack chains and compare them to significantly more competent builds. You may even decide to skip minions and lt's just because both classes should be expected to finish them off quickly enough that being behind by 1 attack isn't really worth the calculation.

DPS and an "Average" Scourge are still very useful when calculating for something like an Arch-Villian, but against most "trash" monsters the damage difference between arche-types is really not that much. That's part of the reason why things with more AOE tend to excel in kill count despite other classes having more "powerful" damage (think back to shield tanks in the wtf days of shield.)