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Because just like people said Buzzsaw builds were incredible DPS and they were wrong I am here to debunk this.

No that isn't right:

If A = 1.60 + 2.00 + 1.00 (Fury, Enhancement, Double Rage) which is 4.6 X Base DPS (unenhanced DPS damage) = A

And 2.00 + 1.00 = B which is 3 X Base DPS.

And A = B

Then A X 3 = B X 3

Each point does not matter until SS hits the damage cap.

Actually it doesn't effect both sets equally. RA missing hurts TW a lot more then KO blow missing due to the fact RA increases the damage of the other attacks. Its even been confirmed by multiple posters that you can fumble a bit in the SS chain and stay on top while the TW chain requires "perfection."

RA increases your overall DPS by nearly 7.5% and if it requires that to stay even with SS that creates a problem when it misses. I am assuming the goal of the chain is to keep the -Res from RA up perma.

You are also assuming both procs will be up at the same time for the -Res. However, once team play comes into factor the SS will gain the benefit of the -Res from RA and the procs from that too.

Burn can also slot that proc if necessary also.

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I think you missed my point. Additionally, people have said in some cases they are the same and in others given a perfect chain TW out damages SS slightly but only when Rend Armor doesn't miss. Given a long enough time frame Rend armor will miss.

As for my point above, I know what the Brute damage cap is it is 775% was 850%. What I am referring to by my statement was that:

If SS deals DPS A and TW deals DPS B. For simplicity sake lets say A = B (Even though in a "perfect" chain B might be slightly greater then A but I am illustrating my point.)

So if A = B and A's DPS is a combination of 160% (From Rage double stacked) + 200% Fury + 100% enhancement (Rounded for simplicity)and B's DPS is the same combination minus the 160% from Rage:

The conclusion is that if both sets are given equal damage buffs lets say 100% X A = B X 100% the DPS would stay the same. A would only fall behind when it hits the damage cap which it would at 160% damage sooner since its already utilizing that damage from rage.

Therefore, at the damage cap A's DPS would be approximately 160% behind whatever B's base DPS is.

This is just the simple formula since B's attack chain utilizes a 50% damage for 10 seconds every time Y (I am not sure how often its being popped) it becomes more complex.

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Ultimately a Pylon isn't telling the entire tale. Several factors will effect TW's single target DPS:

Time is one factor. Given a long enough period RA will miss.

Defense and to hit debuffs: Super Strength is immune to these practically, it can have nearly 60% to hit self buffed.

Level: RA's -Resistance debuff will decrease in duration and total -Resistance as the opponent's level increases. This becomes noticeable once an attack is loses its chance to hit with -Res. Example, lets say 5 attacks are made every 1 second and RA's debuff lasts 5.1 seconds (So the 5th attack hits it) -- If RA's -Res is reduced below 5.1 seconds that 5th attack loses 10% overall damage (Using the tanker debuff number I believe brutes are 7.5%) and that isn't factoring in opponent's level damage.

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The other factor you are missing is how burn works with Fury. Burn works in two factors:

Factor A it deals direct damage from the Brute

Factor B it summons a pet which deals damage over time. This pet will obtain the damage buff from fury but that damage buff will fade in 1 second. Fury is a reoccurring buff that refreshes itself every 1 second. Thus, the SS's burn will have 100% from enhancement plus 160% from Rage for the pet damage portion.

I know factor B works that way as I had a long discussion with Castle over the forums regarding it back in the day (Like issue 7 or 8) when I kept noticing my burn on my Fire/Fire Brute damage would sharply drop.

Interesting. So since SS gets 160% more damage at all times then TW only passes it by when SS does finally hit the cap and TW gets that extra 160% damage?

While right now it may be hard, in time it will get easier as we get more incarnate shifts and such.

No I agree it made some combinations not as effective, however, it increased the league's overall DPS by so much that it allowed you carry 2-3 people. I saw leagues of 14 people down him the REALLY HARD Way. (No level shifts)

So yes a league entirely of Trap MM wouldn't be able to do it, but a league could easily carry 2-3 Trap MM's and complete it.

Incorrect it does effect that badge. So many groups were getting that badge very easily by flying Tyrant in the air and avoiding the lightning spawns which meant higher league DPS. Of course it meant no bringing trap MM's along but I had seen people doing PUGs of this and successfully obtaining the badge.

What cone bug?

Actually he is referring to the method a LOT of people used to make the Very HArd Way badge VERY easy. Fight Tyrant in the sky and the lightning bolts never hit you.

Ok TW/Fire/Soul... why? Does the best TW attack chain involve Gloom?

The above poster posted a chain with just TW attacks alone. So wouldn't that eliminate Soul?

Pylons don't have high resistance its the same for all damage types.

It won't be in the negative since resistance resists -resist. A -30% resistance on a 20% resistance would only reduce it to 6%.

Whats the damage difference? I think you are forgetting one point. That TW chain is all smashing damage while the SS chain utilizes fire and NE.

A lot of mobs resist smashing, a lot less resist fire and Ne.

Don't forget follow up which is one of the highest DPA attacks... if there was a way to close the gap I am assuming it would be a combination of FU, Arc, and Rend. -- CB could be replaced by Gloom as that deals slightly better DPA and is negative energy damage.