Tyger42

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LOL Epic_.....AMEN!!!!

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No. It's not epic.

The game is in a steady spiral downwards and has been since i7.

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And yet, you're still here. And the game's population overall hasn't been "spiraling downwards". So that leads me to believe it's just you.

By the way, "Epic_" was the name of the poster he was replying to. Grats on the reading comprehension.

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any estimate when its going to be up, i cant play wow cause i got suspended for telling a michael jackson joke! xD

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I'm morbidly curious now.

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Meh, some new faces and emotes....

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And a new TF and SF. And a Dominator overhaul. And some pretty good improvements to the MA. And more.

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i havent played in a good bit, just wondering why the servers are down so long, there a patch comin?

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Mondays are the normal maint downtime. There's a patch, rumor has it it's i15, but it seems kinda small for that...

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i don't see why you all care about the way someone is playing -their- game that -they- paid money for if it doesn't affect you.

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Actually, it does. When you play an MMO, how you play DOES effect the other players, whether it's directly or indirectly. And it's not "their" game. It's ours. All of ours.

By the sound of it, a generic'ing would be the least of their worries. You -can- get banned outright for severe enough infractions on a name.

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Unless you have s specific recommendation for what the Devs should do to the AE system to make the players leave the AE and play the other content, I really don't know what this thread is doing here.

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No rewards for AE missions outside of "cool look what I made fun-ness". Problem solved, no more PL-ing or farming to be found there, it becomes what they intended

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So what they intended it to be was an unused waste of space? Because that's exactly what it would be. Sure, the farmers and PL-ers would quit using it, but so would everybody else.

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Pretty sure the only reason there's less douchebags on D2 is that by now they've all moved on to something else.

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Mostly WoW. Though, there are still plenty of jerks.

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I threw my strawman at your strawman, it was quite deliberate.

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...except I didn't use any.

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Except you did.

GMs CAN'T find name violations.
GMs are NEVER in game.
It is impossible for GMs to perform this game saving service.

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I never said any of those things....

Seriously, if you've got to twist what I said to be able to argue with it, don't bother.

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1) To listen to several people here, it sounds as if it is clear there are too many and this policing is crucial.

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To many, any violations are "too many".

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2) We're talking about current actions and current threats. At least I thought we were.

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I have no doubt that Marvel and/or DC are keeping an eye out for grounds to try another lawsuit.

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If this issue is so important that it is a threat to the game, then clearly, it is a threat to their profit and should be fiscally viable.

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Making less than they're spending is not fiscally viable. Especially when they have an alternative in the form of people willing to help voluntarily for free.

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Doesn't take more than seconds to decide someone needs to be looked at, so even 2 minutes levelling is plenty of time at watering hole type locations.

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But it does take more than 2 seconds to review every name currently in the zone.

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I don't know why you imagine there would ever need to be such over kill blanket coverage.

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Because that would be what would be required to even catch a fraction of the names that are currently caught by players filing reports.

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I threw my strawman at your strawman, it was quite deliberate.

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...except I didn't use any.

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You're wrong,DK. I am sorry. There are'nt tons of hacks on closed D2. Promise.

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Pff. Hah. Yeah, keep thinking that. 30 seconds on Google will disprove that pretty quick.

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1) So you admit that there could be far fewer than "too many"?
2) Currently??? How often is this proof submitted to Marvel, DC, etc, etc, etc?

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1) Never denied that. But, we don't know what the number is, and it's unlikely to be a solid number anyway.
2) Sorry, thought you meant who was looking for proof against them doing enough to police...

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100k sounds big. Of course, it doesn't tell us anything about how many characters are being created or what percentage need to be reviewed to consider the job performed.
It is interesting though that it is not fiscally viable to perform this task which is required to save the game.

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Game has to turn a profit.


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Everyone's gotta level.

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Which takes all of two minutes, tops. So there'd have to be people in every zone constantly checking and rechecking the zone lists to catch violations. How many zones is that on each side? Times how many servers? Do you honestly find it reasonable to expect them to have that many people dedicated solely to that task? Because it couldn't be done by a single GM even on each server zone-hopping.

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I specifically said Private Game. Actually, I said "if you want to bring some random shmuck into your private HC game...", but you go ahead and read what you want to see.

Even in a public game (and I have no idea why you play in a public HC game to begin with, as that's just asking for trouble), all the same methods to escape a PK death apply. Your mindless hatred over the PKers is not justified. Note: I am not a PKer.

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Yes, you said private game...as the method to avoid PKers.

And, yes, there are methods to avoid PKers, but they aren't always effective, PLUS there are tons of hacks to circumvent them.

Forcing PvP onto another player without their consent is griefing. Period. End of story. They get off on ruining other people's fun. That's the only reason to want to PvP without requiring the target's consent. My hatred is very justified. People whose idea of fun is to ruin the fun of others are flat-out pathetic and deserve nothing but contempt.

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"Hey, you might not be aware, but you can't make clones or ripoffs of "real" comic book characters. As soon as a GM notices you, your name and/or look will be gone"

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And how will a GM notice the offender unless players petition them? It's not like GMs just roam around the game all day and all night, on every server, looking for violations.

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So, there are NO GMs in game, ever?

Is that what you're saying?

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Not at all, but thanks for the strawman attempt. But they're not actively policing for bad names. They can't do that and still be able to handle the petitions and other work they have to do.


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Fight fire with fire.
Fight a strawman with my own strawman.

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That'd work if any were used against you to begin with. You're the only one throwing them out.

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They can't and aren't policing for bad names, but somehow that is now your job?

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Speaking of which...

Not my job, no. Something I do voluntarily because it has been requested of me and because I not only care about the game, but also about IP rights.

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Players are dreaming if you think that your petitions are "saving" us from a lawsuit that will shut down the game.

NCSoft has to demonstrate that NCSoft is taking the correct action. Nothing more, nothing less. YOU are not NCSoft, your petitions are not helping anything other than making you feel "part of the team".

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And too many violations left unchecked will undermine that "proof" severely. Their choices are to hire more people than they can reasonably afford to actively and constantly police for names or ask us to help them out.

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How many is "too many"?
Who is currently looking for this "proof"?


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1) Can't say. That'd take the lawyers.
2) Marvel, DC, etc, etc, etc.

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How big of a staff do you even imagine this would take?

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Considering over 100k players making new characters all the time, quite a lot. It's not really fiscally viable to have people whose sole job is to police names.

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One person could cruise the traffic zones of the servers and catch a very high percentage of violations if that is all they were actively doing.

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Considering most players spend most of their time in missions, bulls***.

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I'm fascinated that you imagine your policing is integral to propping up this proof.

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I'm fascinated that you think your spin-doctoring is clever.

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Of course, Diablo 2 had the capacity to create private games due to both the game naming and passwords, so if you were killed by someone, it was usually your own fault.

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Sorry, but I completely disagree with this logic. It's like saying that the victim of a mugging is the only one to blame because he walked down a dark alley. The attacker is to blame as well.

Frankly, the attitude that people should have to hide away in private games to avoid PK scumbags was what made Diablo2 on Battle.net so miserable....

I'm hoping Blizzard is smart enough to put a "no PvP" flag that game creators can set in Diablo 3.

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Way to not read the rest of it, or have no capacity to understand what I was talking about.

EDIT TO ADD: I was talking about Hardcore mode, a mode in which you either took on solo, or only with trusted friends who understood how to build a character that could survive. If you wanted to bring along some random shmuck into your private HC game, and he goes hostile (and you manage to miss the message of his hostility, manage to not open a TP, or manage to not just quit the game right there), it's your fault.

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No, I understood it. You're taking a "blame the victim of the griefer" attitude, and I completely disagree with that logic. What mode it's in is irrelevant, you shouldn't have to hide away in PW locked games in multiplayer mode just to avoid PK dirtbags.

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No, apparently you don't understand and I'm not going to bother explaining it to you because you're unlikely ever to understand.

Good day.

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But it's exactly what you said. If a person plays in an unlocked game and gets griefed, it's their own fault. No blame being placed on the griefer there. If that's not what you mean, you need to learn to express yourself better, because that's what you're saying.

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"Hey, you might not be aware, but you can't make clones or ripoffs of "real" comic book characters. As soon as a GM notices you, your name and/or look will be gone"

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And how will a GM notice the offender unless players petition them? It's not like GMs just roam around the game all day and all night, on every server, looking for violations.

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So, there are NO GMs in game, ever?

Is that what you're saying?

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Not at all, but thanks for the strawman attempt. But they're not actively policing for bad names. They can't do that and still be able to handle the petitions and other work they have to do.

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Players are dreaming if you think that your petitions are "saving" us from a lawsuit that will shut down the game.

NCSoft has to demonstrate that NCSoft is taking the correct action. Nothing more, nothing less. YOU are not NCSoft, your petitions are not helping anything other than making you feel "part of the team".

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And too many violations left unchecked will undermine that "proof" severely. Their choices are to hire more people than they can reasonably afford to actively and constantly police for names or ask us to help them out.

I remember it exactly the other way around... There are other examples that would hold more consistently true of the concept I was going for.

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Well what's the point of a global chat channel if it's restricted to a server?

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Where did I even imply that it was?

I don't think there is one specifically for that purpose. Your server forum will likely have a listing of those used by players on your server, though.

Figure making a post for this in addition to the listing in the critique thread above.

Arc Name: Black Rose
Arc ID: 77448
Levels: 1-50 ( Custom enemy group )
Author global: @Tyger
Difficulty: Medium ( Contains EB in final mission. )
Overview: Jimmy "Epine Rouge" Krais has not reported in. He was last seen entering the lab of his mentor, Sorcha Rose. During the investigation of his disappearance, uncover the source of the corruption infecting Rose.

This is an arc that's been up for a while but hasn't gotten many hits.

Known issues: The ally in the final mission is set to spawn "front", but will at times appear at the very back of the mission.

And that sort of attitude is why we have to buy the cable to hook a printer to the computer separately these days...

And my point still stands: Charging us for such a basic customization option is pretty low.