TwoHeadedBoy

I guess. I haven't tried to solo an AV as my warshade since before the new incarnates came out.. They're not really meant for taking down single hard targets. I just thought regen debuffs would make it go faster.

The cool thing about discussing video games is that scientific and clear cut rules of what can and can't be done in the real world don't have the same jurisdiction.

Your analogy is good, but it can also be applied to warshades. You're basically stating that peacebringers are capable and able to fill desired roles. When it comes to things like keeping a team alive, though.. My warshade has hardly considered that, because he melts through everything so quickly all by himself that no one ever has a chance to start dying most of the time.... There are tough spots that make me REALLY wish dwarf had auto-taunt in all attacks. That's EXTREMELY annoying when I have squishy friends with me and they end up taking aggro and dying instantly.

And, edit... I wasn't just looking at aoe damage on a warshade.. I was looking at aoe damage with potential to be at the damage cap a good majority of the time and close enough the rest of the time, while having capped resistance in most situations via perma eclipse.


Another edit!: This is something I forgot to mention, but massive stuns from unchain essence stacked with inky aspect (which I like to TP into spawns with while Super Speed+Stealth IO'd) before I hit eclipse. Stacked layers of control.. And a massive ST hold that could be utilized much better than I use it since I don't place a lot of emphasis on single target attacks on my build-- I use my warshade for aoe.

I actually feel like healers are pretty irrelevant... Debuffers are extremely valuable though and defenders are fantastic at that. A debuffing Kheldian would be pretty cool, come to think...

Well personally, I think it's horrible to ever not include someone because of what they enjoy playing. Afterall, this is a video game we're all playing for fun. I could never feel comfortable on a team telling anyone not to play what they would like! That's not the point I was making, though.. I'm speaking in terms of overall effectiveness of the archetype.


Oh I totally agree with this-- See my last comment. I was just speaking to the effectiveness of the archetype compared to Warshades. Peacebringers are incapable of shining to that extent in *any* situation, whereas Warshades have godly potential in most situations- Single targets being the only exception. Getting beat to spawns is something I've struggled with, but it just made me start playing more aggressively.



This edit is just to clarify my original on topic point... I feel that PB's need to have light form buffed enough for it to share the potential of eclipse. There needs to be a way to make it a permanent self buff through set bonuses and the crash is unnecessary. I really wish that I could justify spending billions of inf. on my PB like I did on my warshade, because I enjoy playing him, but it just seems wasteful given their present state.

What is your Peacebringer exceptional at? My warshade melts through groups faster than anyone else he's ever teamed with... I've outlived Stone Tanks and used them for vengeance, while clearing groups by myself and had a couple of scrappers working through their own shared group somewhere else on the map. Sure-- Peacebringers are better than warshades against single targets. But in terms of overall, PB's really don't excel at anything. If they're played well, they're always "fine..." And even that is a big accomplishment because playing a kheldian in general well is not an easy thing to do.

Oh, I totally agree that it would be wonderful to have clear cut and logical lore.. The point I was trying to make is that the Kheldian lore obviously isn't considered important anyways since it's already flawed beyond belief, so I can't really respect taking it into account in terms of structural betterment of the Archetypes.
If we're still speaking in story based terms, which we obviously are... It's an easy workaround given the present state of the logistics. These new Kheldians are more advanced somehow... How I don't know, probably for the same reason that Voids are friends with PPD Awakened. They are able to absorb powers from their host, thus making them *new* which was the whole idea of this thread in the first place. They can bond part of their energy to an outside host temporarily (AGAINST the will of the host ((NPC enemies)) in terms of enemies-- That can be the warshade counterpart. With the permission of their host ((Team Mates)) the PB counterpart.)


Once again if Mortal Kombat 1 did it on the Sega Genesis, I'm sure COH can handle it. I'm looking for a way to redirect focus on Kheldians-- While giving them more powerset choices and new abilities. All other AT's are able to choose between sets- Kheldians are stuck to negative and energy.

I know the lore, blah blah, kheldian power.. Which is why I suggested new kheldians with different powerset origins... You guys can work out the story aspect since you're obviously very dedicated to that. Also, an advancement in the AT that lets the new futuristic wave absorb powers from others in addition to their current functionality.....

Also like I said there needs to be balance.. I had ideas for that which can be found in the original post.

I don't feel it would be good to add a totally new EAT to the game when the present ones still need so much work. If new Kheldians were created- Perhaps with my ideas perhaps not.. It would still put the developers in a position where they needed to revisit the original Kheldians; Killing 2 birds with one stone. Fix the broken stuff WHILE adding new stuff.

Yeah PB's are definitely not suited for an exact copy of eclipse, but warshades are able to be played much more aggressively since they aren't squishy or second rate-- They just need a little fine tuning. Inherent TP from spawn to spawn if you keep getting beat by melee... You'll still be weak against single AV's but that's usually the only situation where shades aren't playing in god mode. (Excluding lots and lots of +4x8 sappers.. I still have to turn my difficulty down on Malta tips :/)

If the lore is so messy I think at this point we might as well just stop worrying about it and focus more on finding a cool way for Khelds to get some attention.

It was also mentioned that the kheldian only absorbs powers from their hosts, so let these new proposed kheldians bond 'part' of their energy to any being they come into contact with and absorb some of their powers for a limited time only since it wasn't a full bond. If you want them to be overpowered and you haven't given up on the lore yet, let them enhance their already present powers with Kheldian energy.

If you're still hell-bent on lore, make them evil Nictus-Khelds with no qualms about bonding with an unwilling host. I personally think it would be great to be able to pick up another player's attack chain, or an NPC's, or at least PART of it.

It would particularly help for the warshade-esque Praetorian-Kheldian to absorb abilities from a melee build to make them stop dropping below par in team vs. AV situations.

And for all of you who still seem determined to consider lore at all.. Why is it that kheldians can only bond with creatures that don't already have their own super powers? (In a city full of super heroes!!!) If I was a kheldian life force trying to survive in a city of super heroes I would probably pick something that would not only sustain my life and use my powers.. I would pick something I could COMBINE powers with.

Okay, well they're still Kheldians running around Praetoria. Aren't the ones in Primal alien implants from another planet? If you guys really take the lore so seriously, I'll make up some half baked and poorly developed story to justify it to match the rest of the kheld lore:

A rogue Kheldian hopped through the wormhole in pocket D, his human host died so the kheldian energy was forced to bond with a praetorian. They then made it their mission to search all of evil goatee universe for fellow kheldians until they finally came across some hidden away who were more evolved, with access to different powers. They called on their kheldian brethren to come back to praetorian earth to aid in the war against the evil emperor cole. Blah blah blah. They have kheldians too now.

Hmm, maybe it could work similar to how Shang Tsung worked in the Mortal Kombat games, absorbing players' appearances and only special moves...The tech can't be too advanced if it was in MK 1 in 1992. I guess your idea is more practical and also very cool but I don't think my original suggestion is completely unviable. Perhaps you could only absorb 4-6 moves from a player or NPC so it would have the same number of powers in the attack chain as Dwarf and Nova. Have an extra tray open where the powers you absorb are automatically placed.

As for the lore issue, I'm honestly not worried about it. I'm sure it could easily be tied in somehow if the initiative was taken to make it happen and it would also serve as an opportunity to reevaluate the kheldians currently in the game and make some updates to keep them on par with their Praetorian counterparts (and the rest of the game) which is something that is severely needed.