Turgenev

I agree with pretty much every point made here.

1. Yup, the mechanics of the badge are easy: Team for the WSTs, and you'll get the badge eventually. No elaborate farm setup to do, "just do it".

2. You get considerable rewards doing it as you go along that benefit you, especially for Incarnate use - and it doesn't go TOO fast to where it makes the process pointless. There's no lose factor here.

3. 50 "is enough". To do more really doesn't accomplish the intention of the setup: To give people incentive on working towards incarnate builds.





...and if you want the AE badges to be brought back, I want 'em all brought back. XD (Still sore about Dev Choice being removed, while Bug Hunter stays in-game.)

First, grats.

Second, I'm gettin' lazy. As I do other stuff right now, I autocomplete a tip mish every two days 'til I get to the morality mish. Makes side switching less of a grind right now, with the WST rushes and whatnot.

Grats on that. What'd it take for you to do it?

r0x on, ir0x0r.

Ohms: Grats!

MB: Hey, if you need help with those, let's schedule some time, I'll help ya. (WTF? You really don't have MoLGTF on MB yet??)

Let's avoid the straw man fallacy and just cut to the chase. Amazingly, yes, I do realize that calcs up to 20. I was using that as a casual baseline for someone whose gaming habits might be more normal - like me, for instance, since that seems to be my daily average. Normal joes like me can do this comfortably and get a fair majority of the way to the last badge within that week timespan. That's my point.

Today, tho, I think I ran it 7 times. I talked to people who ran it 14 times today, and some who'd never done it before. That 14 runner just started the WSTs yesterday, so she's behind the curve, but she can catch up faster than I will if she stays at that pace.

Your comment of "Let's just say most people, even people you would normally consider to be 'hard core' about this game, would not be able to manage that" really doesn't hold water either. PUG teams I formed on Freedom have been able to consistently hold to the 25 min timeframe, even when I invited a team of 4 tanks, 2 scraps and a rad because that's who was standing closest to me and I was more than a touch drunk at the time (and with two never having run it before). THAT team made it in 23 minutes, and we kept together for another 2 runs (with a swapout or two) because it was fun.

Make sense? The point here is that normal people can get the last badge very comfortably without having to rush - but even BC's "rush" methods aren't that far fetches from the normal. i.e., BC might be on the fringe of the curve, but I wouldn't paint him as an aberration that "either plays this game roughly 23 hours a day or he has friends/family play his account for him half the time."

Hope this helps. I think you're making extremes in regards to BC's getting it where it really isn't THAT much beyond the norm. This is an easy WST week, and lots of people are taking advantage of it for that reason.

EDIT: Then again, pics like this really don't help my argument.

Kahn TF runs take about 25-35 minutes to run. A given PUG team will probably run it a few times in a row if they have good synergy. If you do this even five times a day with a dedicated crew, that's only about 3 hours spent per day, with an ETA of about 10-12 days. And you're still getting shard/recipe rewards along the way as well. Far cry from playing 23 hours a day or recruiting Bosnian mercenary slave ships* who operate badge farming operations in international waters around Sealand to avoid over-the-top scrutiny.

Just sayin'. Your math assumptions in regards to Beef are really awful.


(*Apologies to any Bosnians out there. I just picked a name. I could have easily said Ecuadorian.)

Here's my rationale for doing the Kahn TF in a "speed" format.

The shard drop percentages change between minion to Lt to boss, etc., all the way up to the super-AV "Hamidon" class. Here's a small sample of what @Leandro and others have estimated from a few thousand kills:

5532 minions, 5 shards, 1 in 1106
2817 lieutenants, 18 shards, 1 in 156
330 bosses, 5 shards, 1 in 66

8679 total, 28 shards, 1 in 309

Compare that to a standard "speed" tactic, where we focus on the main targets (who are all EB class or greater) and concluding the run fast to start another one, even getting on the low side with 1-2 shards for the dozen or so EB+ kills is far above the %age for trying to kill sub-EBs that are along our flight path. i.e., we get better shard drop rate/hr this way.

On good days, I've netted 7 shards doing this run. Compared to a Hami raid, where I'd get 9-10 but requires 49 other players for about the same amount of time, and this still wins for effort/reward.

I'm seriously trying to type "JFS" in all caps, but the forum's anti-shout code denies it. WTH?

Yer gonna hate me. I got 3 shards in the first mish of the Kahn TF. >.>

Releasing this QOL fix is a requirement for me when I run PUG STFs. Can someone please hotline the Devs to this oversight?

Rawr.

No joke, I think I'm averaging about 5-7 shards a run for the Kahn TF. We're speeding it too, just killing the mobs we need to drop, bypassing the rest. I almost always get a shard off the final AVs, at least 2 or 3 for total AVs on mish 5.

Welcome to Freedom.

Gotta say, this dude's question was answered in the first post. The rest of this convo is just overkill, people.

*Oh, and got my 10x WST badge, just the 50 left. Good way to get Shards, btw... KTF seems to be shard-rich, more than the STF was.*

This, more or less. My opinion is that, as you do the WSTs successfully, you'll build up credit. If you wanna bang out the grind, do them regularly and get it in a few weeks (or as Ironblade's friend will do it, by tomorrow). If you wanna cruise with the WSTs and see it as an opportunity to get a higher opportunity to team for a given TF/SF, and earn shards/merits/recipe drops via the upper echelon of enemies in the game, then it's a win/win. The badge is just cake. You can eat it now, or eat it later. You'll still get it in the end.

At first glance, I was daunted by the 50 count, sure. But in the long view of Incarnate work, this gives an added incentive to stretch out the gaining of it at your pace. WSTs will always be announced; people will always have 50s they'll want to Incarnatize. The badge is a hook, but one that has a positive effect. Contrast that to the original Empath, where you could lock a toon in a gladiator PVP match for weeks or months to earn it, and this "epic" badge is far more constructive.

Leandro made fun of me for wanting to run an STF a night or two ago. In reality, this badge is making me less of a badger and more of an Incarnate player. I'm diggin' it, personally. Worry less about that 3rd tier, and you might dig it more too.

That's the trick. You get the warning, and you have a few seconds to shift just a little bit to avoid the blast, but with everything else going on around you, it gets messy: Rooting attacks holding up your evasion, being swatted by swords and stuff, etc.

It seems that the swords respawn only when the previous spawn is dead. Wondering how feasible it is to let a few of the minions live, and just let them attack vs inviting another batch of swords a few moments later...

A good run though, shame about BM. Once we got our groove on, she went down fast enough. But that's what learning experiences are about, right?

Correction. Make this Dr. Turgenev (Illusion/Storm). Papa Turg needs his shard drops. XD

Stop bringing the Champions Online gaming experience into this thread and stay on topic, Snow Globe.