Toony

Originally Posted by Signpost

The point is that people get shut off, not that the limit is 48.

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

Becasue no one ever gets shut out of the Hive when a Hamidon raid is on?

Originally Posted by Furio

This particular Trial is capped at 24. No where near the numbers you get on a MS, and less than half of a Hami.

Did one with a full 24, or nearly full...lag stutter etc was a non-issue.

Originally Posted by Shadow State

Ah, my apologies then, I read your post wrong.

Originally Posted by Berzerker_NA

The only way to slot Soveriegn Right or Expedient Reinforcement is if you have Storm Summoning as your secondary and you choose the Tornado power. They can't be slotted to any of the mercenary powers.

Other than that, I'm pretty sure they are identical.

Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl

He never said it was the "focus" just that there would be some in every issue for a while, and slots would unlock from time to time.

Way to make something into a negative, though you're getting real good at that.

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

Tyrant's not just insanely evil - he's insanely powerful too - he's survived a direct hit from a nuke, soloed a more advanced version of the Hamidon, and can even control the Well of the Furies to some extent - and he's also able to give massive power boosts to his henchpeople, as can be seen with battle Maiden on the Apex TF - so for a threat on that scale, having a few friends along to help is the sensible way to do it

Plus, the threat of the Coming Storm will be even more insanely evil and powerful

Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer

Well, I guess you're the expert in developing a MMO.

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

They might make the all the slots and the 1st and 2nd Tiers for them be like the Alpha slot, but then have Tier 3 and 4 be more team focused.
So there might be a normal arc to unlock the Judgement slot in I20, but the salvage for Tier 3 and 4 of it would be gotten from the Incarnate trials.

Originally Posted by Blue_Mourning

My speculation is, at least, consistent with what the devs have stated as design intent, and is also consistent with the majority of the incarnate system thus far, and with the terminology we know the Judgement slot will have (Ion Final Core/Radial Judgement or something like that). Given that they have a working system and that any development team will want to reuse tech where they can it makes sense to not abandon either the interface or the tree when looking at the other slots. We even know in the Judgement slot that there's going to be four trees.

And while all of it is speculation it's also extrapolation. What you, Toony, specifically have done is ignore much of what has been stated by the Dev team as a whole on this matter, and have chosen to latch on to a singular thing that Black Scorpion has said, which was some content in an MMO will be team oriented. While that is an important thing to latch onto, I would direct you to what he said prior to that (or perhaps after that) which was while he wanted the incarnate content to be highly difficult, he also wanted it to be inclusive for most gamers. If we add it all up, I can only assume that, at this point, the non-level shifted incarnate stuff is going to be open and relatively easy to get for everyone. the level shifted stuff, in the future, MIGHT stay behind a forced teaming wall.

Now some people have been rude to you and the "soloist" camp as a whole, and you and that camp have tended to speak in terms of hyperbole. You have just told me that I should not speculate, yet that's the only thing that's been happening because, frankly, there's been a dearth of information from the devs on the topic, which I can only take to mean they're hard at work on planning a solo way to get notices of the well.

To those people who would tell you to sit down and shut up, I would join you and call them stupid. However, the opposite reaction - what has largely been your reaction - is to claim that the devs have abandoned you and the game is no longer playable because you've been abandoned by the endgame mechanisms - and endgame that, according to your rules you probably woudln't play anyway because, right now, it's TF content.

Given that the developers have always made content causal and solo friendly, and given that they've said that their design intent for the Incarnate system is to make it inclusive instead of exclusive, I can only assume that the near future will have arcs and the like for a wider playerbase to make use of.

Speculation is, in of itself, not a bad thing. Speculation without support or evidence is. None of my speculation is without evidence in the form of a great deal of history, and the devs own words about their design intent. So while my speculation is just that, it is also a logical extrapolation of the facts as we know them to this date. All of which is far more helpful to your position of eventually gaining Casual friendly incarnate content than the rampant hyperbole which has been fueling the "casual" player's rage (mostly claims that the devs don't care about you, which is pretty much false, aggravating, and patently annoying).

Time will tell whether the WSF is an ill-conceived notion. But in these first few days, at least, the evidence is against you. It's the first week so we won't know anything yet. We'll know more next week when it moves on to Kahn - a TF, by the way, that is far more casual player friendly because of it's short duration and relatively straightforward tactics (Reichs, save for some stuff atht he beginning, is completely tank and spank) (granted villains have a complaint because BSF is significantly harder than KTF).

Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel

I can understand why they wouldn't make children in a mechanical sense (too much for too little) and from a limited PR sense. Though from what I've seen, this has not stopped some people from making child characters (like in this thread, for example).
Also, even more worst villains wouldn't mind children not being targettable in Mayhems IF IT MEANT THE OTHER CITIZENS WEREN'T! GRAH, JUST LET ME TARGET THE SECURITY GUARDS AND YOU WON'T GET PUNCHED, OKAY?!

Though there are SOME graphic details in the game, namely an Arachnos base detail I've seen on the ceilings plenty of times...


And finally, on the note of Animals from the first page, one idea I had to compensate for this was simply have audio files where you could hear cats, dogs, and birds in the distance somewhere. You don't have to see them, but just the implication that they're there.

Originally Posted by EvilGeko

Correct. Which is why we need to finish power proliferation and add Inventions where there are weak or incomplete choices (Targeted AoE) before we even think of spending the time to do pool and epic customization.


*Runs away from angry RP mob*

Originally Posted by Blue_Mourning

You would think so but people have gotten in trouble for cases of fictional child pornography. I believe I hard someone getting in trouble for writing Harry Potter slash fic for instance. I understand why they're reticent to do it.

Originally Posted by Blue_Mourning

I'm pretty sure right now that, despite it not being explicitly stated all the incarnate slots will be gettable without teaming, but that not all the trees within the slots will be without getting a Notice or something like it. Meaning that right now, as of this moment, 2/3 of your requirements are met. Currently no content requires anything more than a common and quite frankly we can't speculate too much on future content.

But right as of this moment there's also not ANY solo incarnate content. Still, I would suspect that you're going to be able to obtain at least the common slot solo for all the slots. And, yes, I know that's speculation. But given the tone of the devs since this has come out, and the desire to make it inclusive of most if not all play styles, I don't think it's all that rampant.

Originally Posted by TrueMetal

No it's not.

Originally Posted by Captain-Electric

While some benefits would be obvious (creating young characters inspired by stories from my youth, like "The Dark is Rising" and "Chronicles of Narnia" series of books), there is the danger that a few unscrupulous individuals would portray the characters inappropriately, or interact with other player characters inappropriately. This goes beyond ESRB rating issues. The FBI takes child exploitation seriously, and devotes a sizable chunk of its resources to investigating crime online. Consequently, it would take only a small misunderstanding to give customer support a real headache. They should avoid the can of worms entirely.

Originally Posted by TheShattered

See, then children would be part of the 'Citizens' group found milling about in Mayhem missions. I don't think anyone would be too pleased if you could throw great balls of fire at them, despite the fact that Citizens are (Annoyingly) invincible for some reason.

I mean, why didn't they just send wave after wave of Citizens at the Rikti, since they don't seem to ever get hurt. Even with Brawl, the Rikti would get swamped and drowned in a wave of angry citizens..

*Wanders off ranting*