ThrillKillKult

MOG does that to you. get used to it.

Lex Mayhem.

Conductive.

Hard Drive.

I do Like, Road-Bloc, though. Kinda got that Hard Core kick [censored] and take names thing.

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There's going to be a massive downside, such as losing all (or most) attained badges?

For those who are wondering, people are starting to receive an email from NCSoft announcing the new expansion, entitled "Going Rogue". Side switching and all that. It appears to be legit.

Why do I think that? There's always a downside. Nothing can ever be complete win.

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The little issue of having one of the dev's come out and basicly lambast the player base because we don't play with the game the way they want us to is still fresh.

Isn't it funny that the news comes out basicly a week after the little temper tantrum?

Pfft.

Color me impressed when they actually have something other then "we'll tell you when it's coming out..."

The last one that took tone with me in such a manner lost teeth the last time that happened.

What I find really funny is that "Farming" is so called "Frowned upon", yet they add yet another paid expansion without any sort of support to the villian side, yet Villians is a much more quality game in terms of scenery, story arcs, and general play.

"Going Rogue?"

I have a better idea, how about fixing the game so that some of the QOL issues get fixed and add some content to the Villian side?

Give a reason to play and people will stay. Continue with the shell game and keep watching them leave.

This has to be one of your lamest announcements, yet.

Thanks for nothing.

Try posting a little information when you actually have something to announce, next time.

You are missing Giant Monsters.

Love the Mighty Men and Monster Maker.
Hate the [censored] peramiters you are trying to enforce on missions.

This is a sandbox, don't tell me how to make a castle, when all that is popular are farming missions.

Adding a GM giant golden statue, or a cthullu might seal the deal for me.

Undead pirates, the lost souls such as who keep jumping off of the ghost ship, maybe a few different era ghost ships.

The Hag contact, maybe a giant scylla, or gorgon monster to come along for the ride.

Make the zone coop, or pvp.

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Items that i woudl like to see in the base

Roman base skins

defeats trophy, (when a gladator is unlocked you get some type of trophy that you can add to the base)

Base NPC's

In the LRSF on the Assault Vindicators Base there are displays of NPC's, in a control room setting.

these little rooms would be a kick butt thing for us to buy.
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Control room (Assault Vindicators Base)
med bay (think the vanguard med bay in atlas park)
work shop

single NPC's that have programable sayings
in the game Ultima Online you have Barkeepers that you can buy and place in you houses, you can change their look and have them say stuff, they aslo say system messages.
o9s if your in your base adn not payign attention to you chat window he sprouts off that there is a fire in Steel ect ect

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I like these ideas. How about some skulls, body parts, and stuff to put around the room, as well?

My three Questions, again. This time for Sunstorm...

1. What is the current vision, reasoning, or idea of the Developers on the subject of bases?
Basicly what are they for?

2. What purpose does paying rent serve in the context of this game, when Superheros in game do not have paying jobs, end of month expenses, aside from rent, and other addentums in leu of just SUPERGROUP bases?
What are we funding?

3. Was the intention of Supergroups to continue to expand to outragious levels, or is there a technical limit, and has it been met by any one or number of super groups? And to caviot off of this question-
Is the technical limit of a Supergroup bases attainable, and does it have an effect on the basic dynamic of this game to the point of interfereing with other aspect of ithe game in general?

BUMP.

Paying rent for a base that is worse off now then it was almost a month ago is adding insult to injury.

Regardless of if it is supposedly "miniscule, or a paltry amount," it is paying for nothing.


Remove rent altogether, and let us pay for the things we want to put in the base.
Fix the structural issues, and the stacking problem, then come back and bother me about paying rent for anything.

Don't charge rent unless there is a reason for it.
If I was finding a secretary, or I had a gang of ninjas coming in and tearing up my base every once in awhile, I could see a reason for it. Other then the fact that I pay for the pretty blue column, I don't see the reason behind paying anything for the bases.

Don't tell that to the kool aid swillers.

To them, I13 is from the land of milk and honey.


The issues are now stacking better then base items.

- The items do not fit correctly into the base.
- The items drop through the floor
- RENT. still a joke.
- Now that we had the little tidbit about BASE SALVAGE. the Doughnut crew is overstepping thier bounds and overcharging the heck out of items on the market.

we haven't had the graphing problems fixed.
We just got more added to them.

Heres a Question-

WHY?

WTH

Land of Milk and Honey?!?!

I13 is looking more like the Land that Time Forgot...

I don't envy this guy one bit.

I have an idea for you, how about leaving PVP on the back burner and coming back up with the Moon Zone we asked for.

OR, better yet,

come up with another pole of what zone people would want next.

More Content, What People asked for, things like removing the www goldspam, com, QOL issues like base permissions.

Beef, its whats for dinner.

PL Meh!

Chainsaw scrapper.


Maybe add a few more power tool impliments and some severed limb E motes.

A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of Prestige primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, without any product or service being delivered.

Basicly, the new I13 base.

Thank you for taking the time to answer my post. Not that I have to like it, but you explained( and reinforced) as best an answer that I have seen yet why I am paying rent for nothing.

As for Ignore, I don't even care. I'm not digging the change, even if some of these happy people get muffled because I'm not drinking the kool-aid.

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The paying of rent will start out with you gaining all of your prestige back, then as you continue to pay rent after rent, your going to LOSE IT ALL, in almost the same way as losing money in a pyramid scheme.

FOR EXAMPLE-
I have 100 prestige, the rent costs 2000 based on all of the items in your base, you bust your hump to make the other 1900, and based upon the "new" way, you won't be gaining anything, because you wanted a base, and now you are paying an added tax to KEEP the items in the base.
That next month, you are now boxed into just working for prestige to keep the base. never mind that you have a ZERO BALENCE in the prestige.

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You have to concede that you are forming your hypothesis based on some pretty far fetched presumptions.

2000 prestige is a pretty trivial sum. Ludicrously more so if you've managed to accumulate enough prestige to buy the items that would generate that much rent in the first place.

Not to be antagonistic, but it really seems like you're trying awfully hard to make something out of nothing here.

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I am operating with my past of playing the game when Bases just showed up. When 2 people played the game in SG, and watched as the prestige dried up because you either have to make a choice to play in SG mode, or you play to make Infamy.
The new "Improvement" rolls back the clock to smallest plots paying so that you can't do anything with it, because your busy playing to pay the bills.

I am not making an assumption. Im making a judgement based on past playing experience. I used the 2000 as an easy to post number to explain my point.
The "Rent" is just a smokescreen. I don't feel that I should have to play continuously as a wage slave. We have jobs in real life. we are supposed to be " Superheros" in game. what superheros do you know that pays rent for no purpose?

Heck, at least the Fantastic Four have a serious building. or Batman has a house.
What do we get? A blue column in the middle of the public square.

The 2000 could easily be 20,000 or 200,000. you are going to lose it for no other reason other then because. I make the equation to a pyramid sceme, because you are going to continue to pay until the "prestige refund" is going to dry up if you don't continue to play in SG mode.

Look at T's guide to the obcene? The items in question are still going to cost you to buy them, but now you have the added pleasure of losing prestige to pay rent on the base, and the items inside it, too.

What is the reason or sense of paying for something you bought for your prestige more then once?

If we have to pay for these things every month, why not charge a power bill, gas bill, and teleportation fee every time we use the teleporter, then?

What is the payment of the prestige funding, anyway? The buses don't run, the police are useless, and the gangs pretty much do what they want to.

Look over the list of changed items. you are going to have to pay the rent, no matter the size of the base. Add this to the fact that you are only going to put 30 pieces of salvage in the bin, and you are being penalized for being successful.

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Cut and paste, cut and paste. Now read what I wrote without being a tool about it.

Ok, you want a question, heres one-

Why am I paying rent in the first place?

Heres another one-

Why are we paying rent on the basic plot bases when I was stuck in the first place, having to get the basic plot so I wouldn't have to pay rent? I don't want to throw prestige away unless you give me a reason other then, because I said so.

Heres another question-

If I get my prestige refunded, and I have to pay rent, is it really a refund?

Here is a hypothertical example,
I have a base, and three people making prestige, say 1-1000 over a pay period. thats 3000 totaled for the days playing.

If my prestige is over 3000, and I have 3000. Am I not losing prestige for no onter reason then paying?

Oh, I'm the troll? How is it that I'm the troll when you ignore my basic premise, then you come up with something out of left field without even addressing my issue?
You cut and pasted my post so much that you take what I wrote out of context, and then you still haven't addressed my point. Not that you're the DEVELOPERS for that matter, which my post was for it the first place.

I'm Wrong? Ok, so explain to me WHY?

As for my experience, YES, that's what one uses to make a decision. YOU haven't given anything to the conversation other then to cut up my post and come up with something clever to answer, never even addressing my issues in the first place. You all are the ones that want to critic and not address the issue. I can throw names around, too, but this topic is probibly one of my only real concerns, seeing that I have made my fair share of prestige, made my base, and now am being told to eat it because I don't feel that I have to pay for something that I have already earned.

As for Cat butt, why are you entertaining me if I'm such a troll?
Here is my issue, in case you forgot it-
- I don't feel that I need to pay rent, unless I'm getting something for it. WHY SHOULD I THINK THAT PAYING FOR NOTHING IS AN IMPROVEMENT?
- We were told that we were getting an IMPROVEMENT AND I13 was supposed to be the cat's meow.
A base with pretty much everything interactive being charged a fee is taxing for nothing. Whatever you want to call it, RENT,TAXES, USER FEE... The bottom line is that we are paying a fee for no other reason then to pay.
THAT is what you've spent your time "Improveing"? A way to pay rent?
WE DON'T NEED RENT ON A BASE THAT WE BUILD FOR PAYING FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Its' ours. we earned it, we built it.
You say that you earn 2000 as easily as taking out the trash?
I say show me how you do that and even better,show me how I will do that with the new changes to making prestige.

Are you saying I am going to make more Prestige per mission? Are you going to be farming your missions at the highest difficulty setting?
Unless your tooling around with your trusty lvl 50, you don't make that kind of prestige, and you won't either.
HOW, aside from leeching your missions, padding yourself, or doing alot of TF's, which by the way are being gimped out for other additional apurtances.
Are we supposed to do to Prestige that we already have to do with INF? FARM IT?
And as a caviot, How about that Storage rack?
30 pieces of salvage for a storage rack... I'm probibly going to have to get about 10.

The TF change, so I will not be farming TF's. and aside from that with the merit system coming into place, you are going to be at a disadvantage if you think you can make that much on the market. By BY Katie, i guess.
Guess I won't be buying up all of those 70,000,000 inf priced sweet treats, then.

My last question to you Forum poofs is-
Is that how you think you make an argument? Cut and paste your way out of answering the question?

Clever, i guess, but it doesn't answer ANY of my questions, concerns, or issues, but You go on and call me the troll, though.

My cash is as green as yours is, and I am paying to play this game as much as your clever, non question answering, cut and pasting because your simple, selves.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT I DON'T WANT TO PAY ANYTHING FOR NOTHING. Paying rent for no other reason then to say your paying rent is stupid.

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The paying of rent will start out with you gaining all of your prestige back, then as you continue to pay rent after rent, your going to LOSE IT ALL, in almost the same way as losing money in a pyramid scheme.

FOR EXAMPLE-
I have 100 prestige, the rent costs 2000 based on all of the items in your base, you bust your hump to make the other 1900, and based upon the "new" way, you won't be gaining anything, because you wanted a base, and now you are paying an added tax to KEEP the items in the base.
That next month, you are now boxed into just working for prestige to keep the base. never mind that you have a ZERO BALENCE in the prestige.

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You have to concede that you are forming your hypothesis based on some pretty far fetched presumptions.

It seems like you are operating under the assumption that, as the owner(s) of a functional super group base, you should never need to play the game in super group mode. Even if this is the case; inviting one alt to a truly solo super group grants 15000 prestige. That alone is enough to pay "maxed" rent for about 42 weeks.

2000 prestige is a pretty trivial sum. Ludicrously more so if you've managed to accumulate enough prestige to buy the items that would generate that much rent in the first place.

Not to be antagonistic, but it really seems like you're trying awfully hard to make something out of nothing here.

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I am operating with my past of playing the game when Bases just showed up. When 2 people played the game in SG, and watched as the prestige dried up because you either have to make a choice to play in SG mode, or you play to make Infamy.
The new "Improvement" rolls back the clock to smallest plots paying so that you can't do anything with it, because your busy playing to pay the bills.

I am not making an assumption. Im making a judgement based on past playing experience. I used the 2000 as an easy to post number to explain my point.
The "Rent" is just a smokescreen. I don't feel that I should have to play continuously as a wage slave. We have jobs in real life. we are supposed to be " Superheros" in game. what superheros do you know that pays rent for no purpose?

Heck, at least the Fantastic Four have a serious building. or Batman has a house.
What do we get? A blue column in the middle of the public square.

The 2000 could easily be 20,000 or 200,000. you are going to lose it for no other reason other then because. I make the eqation to a pyramid sceme, because you are going to continue to pay until the "prestige refund" is going to dry up if you don't continue to play in SG mode.

Look at T's guide to the obcene? the items in question are still going to cost you to buy them, but now you have the added pleasure of losing prestige to pay rent on the base, and the items inside it, too.

What is the reason or sense of paying for something you bought for your prestige more then once?

If we have to pay for these things every month, why not charge a power bill, gas bill, and teleportation fee every time we use the teleporter, then?

What is the payment of the prestige funding, anyway? The buses don't run, the police are useless, and the gangs pretty much do what they want to.

Look over the list of changed items. you are going to have to pay the rent, no matter the size of the base. Add this to the fact that you are only going to put 30 pieces of salvage in the bin, and you are being penalized for being successful.

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T was pointing out thier opinon and I posted mine.

Facts are what is lacking in the whole issue of bases. If I haven't been given the reasoning behind the WHY, then I have an opinion based on what I have.

T didn't think through my argument, and her FACTS are only thier own specualtion.

What was the point of quoting her own opinion, anyway? All they did was to misquote me and post quotes in such a way as to sound like a total poof with thier own smart [censored] OPINIONS.

The paying of rent will start out with you gaining all of your prestige back, then as you continue to pay rent after rent, your going to LOSE IT ALL, in almost the same way as losing money in a pyramid scheme.

FOR EXAMPLE-
I have 100 prestige, the rent costs 2000 based on all of the items in your base, you bust your hump to make the other 1900, and based upon the "new" way, you won't be gaining anything, because you wanted a base, and now you are paying an added tax to KEEP the items in the base.
That next month, you are now boxed into just working for prestige to keep the base. never mind that you have a ZERO BALENCE in the prestige.
With the way the new way is, if you have prestige in the coffers, your going to lose it because you pay rent per month, and deminished return of earning it with the other distractions of I13 are going to leave most small bases at a loss.
Now you want to go another way?
Based on the information given by the Dev's, don't even think about having a COP runable base.
The cost for the items alone is going to break your INF, and the cost to keep the items will break your Prestige.

Remember the Mission Computer? Its still a joke. It still has one whopping mission for the cost of all of that. THAT was already asked to have a fix to it, ever since the stupid thing came out. FORGET IT NOW. Silly me for thinking I can even have one. Now you need it for the COP, you can't have it because you are already in a negative for prestige for having at least half of the other items in the base.
How much will the useless mission computer cost in prestige, again?

We already went through this prestige paying rent phase. The solution was for basic plots to have NO RENT.
NOW we are being told that we will pay, JUST BECAUSE WE WANT TO PUT ITEMS IN THE BASE.

Of course, we can always go back and remember that there IS NO COP, even though we have all asked for it, when we were asked what we wanted.
I don't remember anyone ASKING for the reccomendation of paying rent AGAIN.
We asked for CHEAPER PRICES, QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES, and fixing the base permissions.
Tabula Rasa had a single player storage crate, so that right there tells me that it is possible.

Now. with these facts on the table. Which ones are wrong?

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As usual, T is deliberatly cutting and pasting to be a tool.

Read where it says... FOR EXAMPLE.

I pulled out a number to be easy and to explain my point, now I know your being deliberatly ignorant, stupid, obtuse or your just trying to be borishly clever.
Thanks for the direct to the guide though,
Now you can go compile how much of your "Prestige Refund" you are going to lose each and every month.

That will teach you small SG's out there to live outside of your means and keep you in your place.

You'll find out soon enough why they removed rent from basic plots.

Point and click to your hearts content, as long as you try reading it, this time and stop misquoting my posts...

T was pointing out thier opinon and I posted mine.

Facts are what is lacking in the whole issue of bases. If I haven't been given the reasoning behind the WHY, then I have an opinion based on what I have.

T didn't think through my argument, and her FACTS are only thier own specualtion.

What was the point of quoting her own opinion, anyway? All they did was to misquote me and post quotes in such a way as to sound like a total poof with thier own smart [censored] OPINIONS.

The paying of rent will start out with you gaining all of your prestige back, then as you continue to pay rent after rent, your going to LOSE IT ALL, in almost the same way as losing money in a pyramid scheme.

FOR EXAMPLE-
I have 100 prestige, the rent costs 2000 based on all of the items in your base, you bust your hump to make the other 1900, and based upon the "new" way, you won't be gaining anything, because you wanted a base, and now you are paying an added tax to KEEP the items in the base.
That next month, you are now boxed into just working for prestige to keep the base. never mind that you have a ZERO BALENCE in the prestige.
With the way the new way is, if you have prestige in the coffers, your going to lose it because you pay rent per month, and deminished return of earning it with the other distractions of I13 are going to leave most small bases at a loss.
Now you want to go another way?
Based on the information given by the Dev's, don't even think about having a COP runable base.
The cost for the items alone is going to break your INF, and the cost to keep the items will break your Prestige.

Remember the Mission Computer? Its still a joke. It still has one whopping mission for the cost of all of that. THAT was already asked to have a fix to it, ever since the stupid thing came out. FORGET IT NOW. Silly me for thinking I can even have one. Now you need it for the COP, you can't have it because you are already in a negative for prestige for having at least half of the other items in the base.
How much will the useless mission computer cost in prestige, again?

We already went through this prestige paying rent phase. The solution was for basic plots to have NO RENT.
NOW we are being told that we will pay, JUST BECAUSE WE WANT TO PUT ITEMS IN THE BASE.

Of course, we can always go back and remember that there IS NO COP, even though we have all asked for it, when we were asked what we wanted.
I don't remember anyone ASKING for the reccomendation of paying rent AGAIN.
We asked for CHEAPER PRICES, QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES, and fixing the base permissions.
Tabula Rasa had a single player storage crate, so that right there tells me that it is possible.

Now. with these facts on the table. Which ones are wrong?

If that were the case, then why didn't the dev's put a degredation limit on the salvage IN THE FIRST PLACE?

999 is a good number. The salvage should not have been an issue as to what type. If its holiday, base, or invention, all the storage rack needs it to do is to store it.
The devs can explain why hordeing salvage is a bad idea, anyway. From where I see it, they poured in the economy jumping in with both feet, now we are being told that we are fat little children who can't have another chocolate bar.

The argument that it is hordeing is pointless. If I want to horde it, then thats MY choice. I got the drops from the enemies, so who cares what I do with it. I could delete the whole thing for all I care. Its not like a real economy where the salvage is backed by currency, or a legal tender of any sort. It's dropped, there is countless sources of the salvage, and the market is a player based mechanism that Market dictates price.
The 999 number is already there. Thats a limit. Now you cavieot both Invention, Base, and Event salvage into the mix, then that self limits the whole system, based on the number of salvage rack limits in a base.
With the Invention storage already in place, why not just adjust it to hold 999 parts of salvage, just like a Base invention storage rack.
Want to worry about technicality? Then just have two or three different ones, one with 30, one with 100, one with 500. All at varying cost, sop then if you want to haggle around, you can get your own size salvage base without having to be worrying about this issue at all.

What they really should be worrying about is www. spamgold R us. com's continuous presence, the base permissions, the price range of the total base list, you know... THINGS WE ALREADY ASKED FOR!!!

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They have rolled back the changes so it looks like you have prestige, but if you busted your hump to get a avarage to an above average base, you are going to end up paying more rent.

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they want cheaper prices on items

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when the developers could have easily brought in things like banks, stores, skills,

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and then saying your doing me a favor by making me pay double for what I had to earn and bought with the flawed currency of the game

[/ QUOTE ]...pay double? The hell? They're giving a discount. That means you get prestige back. Is this somehow hard for you to understand?

The rest of your post was unreadable to an insane degree...so I have no idea what you're trying to say in most of the rest of your post.

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Continue to post and chop till your hearts content, because now your just being a tool.

My post stands, I gave you my opinion and I'm leaving it at that. Its obvious YOU have no idea of what your talking about, aside from a few shallow quips and stupid misquotes.

Standard code rant applies.

Be a little more obtuse, it suits you.
Spray bottle for you, you stupid cat!


T, I'll go a little bit slower for you, because my post is obviously over your head and you are completely out of my comments. You don't even have half of an idea of what I'm talking about.

We, as in players, have been asking for changes to the bases almost since it came about. Now we get someone out of left field, then Ex asked for feedback on the bases and how the changes would affect them.
Even after the feedback, we get Sunstorm here saying, "Well. We changed it, and we are going to change it more for the sake of change. Even if it wasn't what was asked for, it is a change, so there you go."

The changes in rent on the surface are basicly eyewash.
All they have done is to rewrite the book on this whole rent paying issue. No you have a little in your coffers to start with before they start the whole taking your prestige for the sake of taking it again. just like when the Base making started.
They have rolled back the changes so it looks like you have prestige, but if you busted your hump to get a avarage to an above average base, you are going to end up paying more rent. Based on what you put in the base, you are going to pay rent( which by the way people don't need, because it is a stupid concept that was never explained as to WHY WE NEED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.) no matter what size base you have. Basis of this discussion are from the beginning of this whole subject, back on page 1.
" you have the prices of items rolled back, and when you enter your base you get a refund. NOW after you enter that base, you start the whole book all over again, from page one on paying rent.
Notice the things you will pay for? Storage Items, Power and Control Devices, and the workbenches and tables, etc.
Later in the post, they give a list of things you are going to pay for that are basicly you are going to pay a tax on what you bought, and then you are paying a users fee for having it in your base.
Those things are exactly your basis for even having a base in the first place. THEN after we have already asked time and time again since the beginning of the base issues, fix A, B, and C, the A, B, and C, haven't even been dealt with when they fix E, F, and G.
NO ONE was complaining about the storage of salvage items. People want to stop being robbed, they want cheaper prices on items, and they want to be able to work for thier base and not have to join wage slave SG's where one to five people basicly get 50 to 75 other players to gain the prestige without input as to what the prestige is being spent on.
I have beef about the things that I wrote about on more then one level, but today, I feel that I have been realativly tame in my posting of my displeasure of the so called improvements.
To put it mildly, I am not a happy camper.
Unless you give me a detailed explination as to why I should drink the I13 kool-aid, then I am going to be unhappy, until I can see that my issues were unfounded, and that it was my mistake that I should WANT to give away hard fought coin, when the developers could have easily brought in things like banks, stores, skills, the ability to buy the items in question, so I could go to the different aspect stores and buy the assorted types of equipment to make the items that I wantred, and then have them degrade over time, so that later on, they either break down, or I can get the skills to build new ones, or fix the ones I have.
Of course, I could be happy with the broken Wentworths, of course I can pay 70 million for sweet treats, and thats ok.

Of course, these have to do with other ideas of content for the game, instead of PvP this and PvP that, all the while, my base charges me and I lose the refunded Prestige, ( which by the way was refunded) to pay for a base that will continue to cost me. Hence, turning me into a wage slave, having to pay the bills to stay in the apartment.
I busted my hump to try to play my legitimate small, one person apartment base, building my own stuff, and working my hump off trying to make goals and earn my Prestige without the added poofs to do it for me. I have alot of stuff for my effort, and have along the way posted my wants, along with all of the other folks that have posted thiers as well.

I13 is basicly rewrite the game for PVP. period.
you can say that your improving it, but changing things that weren't broken, and then saying your doing me a favor by making me pay double for what I had to earn and bought with the flawed currency of the game ( which still has no basis of worth) and then having the developers of said game come out of left field and say thay are " fixing" issues that weren't asked to be fixed, all the while leaving the primary issues still unfixed is my issue in a nutshell.
The broken issues of the game are still broken, we get a change for the sake of change, and niether the players or the developers are served by the so called improvements.

Your completely missing something.

dig deeper and read.

This is a reply to the thread, not to the above poster....

I think your thought process is flawed from the get go on the issue of "IMPROVEMENT".

What part of "We don't want rent on the bases." changes into an explination of we will pay rent for things that we bought with gimp salvage that we have to randomly earn by smacking enemies around for?
Let me make it even simpler. WE DON'T NEED RENT. It was a stupid idea from the beginning, and it hasen't even been addressed as to why we need to pay it in the first place.
It's purpose isn't even for a legitimate reason, so go back and remove it, or give us a reason for it, like breaking down facilities, places to buy components to fix, build, or repair our equipment.
-I could understand the idea if our equipment in the bases fell apart, degraded, had malfunctions, etc.
-I could understand the idea if we had the opportunity to learn skills and repair our own equipment, bought a building in Paragon, and went to town paying a legitimate landlord.
- I could understand if we even had a CHOICE to make a base anywhere we wanted, with the freedom to place the base enterance anywhere we wantedand had a choice to build forts, bases, headquarters, or strongholds anywhere we wanted in the whole of the city, whereever we wanted.

But for all of these reasons...
we don't have choice one, except that we get to go from "Heros". to wage slaves in the space of an Issue.

Where again are the improvements that we have been asking for?
- MISSIONS FOR THE MISSION COMPUTER
- REASONABLE PRICING FOR EQUIPMENT
- PERSONAL STORAGE BINS
- NO RENT
- STACKING AND PLACING ITEMS IN THE BASE WITHOUT PROBLEMS AND TANGENT ISSUES
- CLOSETS THAT WE CAN STORE COSTUME ITEMS AND CHANGE OUR WARDROBE ON THE CHARACTER IN THE BASES

All we WANTED were reasonable additions. Not reinventing the wheel. All that, and then you're giving is a bunch of new problems to deal with without dealing with the primary problems or requests for improvements.

thanks for nothing.

Now I want to know why?

-WHY do I have to join up with people I don't care to work with in a supermegamaxipad base just to say that I have a functioning base?
-WHY is it supposed to be 100,000 wage slaves working for 3 or 4 eliteists that are supposedly "leaders" when all they do is use low level players to fund thier own personal playpen?
- WHY don't smaller bases get the concern, seeing as they are the majority of the player base, and each and every so called "IMPROVEMENT" that has been mentioned favors the large server overblown ego SG's. ARE you trying to drive people away? Do you actually READ what people are asking for?
Is it more of a question of having to become a forum twit to get the friggin point across of WHAT PEOPLE WANT IS IMPROVEMENT, NOT MORE PROBLEMS.

With your so called explanations, go back and READ the base suggestions and find and post where people actually ASKED for more ways to pay rent and the desire to lose salvage on account of opinion?
Go find where people ASKED FOR PERSONAL BASE STORAGE to stop from being robbed. to change the permissions. to have personal storage lockers.

Personal storage lockers. nuff said.

If we have to continue to be taxed for even the slightest of effort and success, then why bother? Just bring COX out as a single player game and give the effort to your goldfish.

Thanks again for nothing that was asked for.

Why not just call it a day and sell costume slots?

RESPECS??? Gimme a break.

If not costume slots, sell a closet in the SG base, so we can store costume parts of our own choosing, or have something that you can earn from all of the gratuatous T and A watching, streetsweeping, and farming.

Maybe have some of the badges show up as costume appurances.

Some of the stuff you guys are selling is really weaksauce.
Sell something cool [censored] like a perminant pet like a monster pet, a weapon, a shield, something like a Jeter Crap NIKE [censored] bag, a pair of blond bombshells, a COH T SHirt, or one of those cool [censored] T shirts with the Chest details on them.

In short, just stop selling bags of poo poo and sell something worth me just throwing money away. It is a game after all, sell something for it.