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  1. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hopeling View Post
    Prometheus has additional dialog as you complete more trials, so depending on the character you used to check, he might not say it to you.
    I am aware of this. Thanks.

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    Originally Posted by Prometheus
    In reality, the Well is and always has been a personage who... agreed... to serve as the connection between humanity and something... greater.
    I'm still not seeing any suspicious mysteries here. If the Well is under anyone's control other than our own for the time being, it's just his boss. There's no telling if the 'greater' is even a literal person or not; the 'agreement' that the Well made could just be between other beings like himself.

    And I'm still not getting why anyone in this thread thinks that the Well was ever human. Prometheus does say that the Well was around before humanity.
  2. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Zombie Man View Post
    The Devs didn't want to be seen selling badges since these cost money for non-VIPs.
    Dark Astoria mission badges.

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    Originally Posted by LegionAlpha View Post
    How cool it would have been, if Wade got so big at the end and pulled a Unicorn and butted his horn on the planet
    Fixed.

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    Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane View Post
    Also I just noticed/realized, the tanks on the Warburg mission have no offensive capabilities.

    Tanks that do no real damage and just exist to sit there and be attacked.

    So...is this like a mental block the devs have or something?





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    Well, if you read the briefing from Infernia, Malta is still in the process of fitting the tanks with sapper technology.

    I think the developers would have to create a new animation rig to make a 'fightable' tank or helicopter or any other kind of vehicle capable of lateral movement while still pointing the dangerous parts at a target. I mean, unless you want them to be totally stationary like those turret trailers in RWZ, or capable of having a hilarious, immersion-breaking and arbitrarily quick zero degree turning radius like the Avatar of Hamidon does. I know they can turn like that IRL, but I don't know if there's a way to slow turning down ingame. In fact, I don't know if the critter AI used by the game engine is even capable of 'strafing' during aggro.

    It's a technical issue. Not a mental block.
  3. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    Prometheus
    Looked. It's not there. :P
  4. I've heard that he's actually the NPC that introduces you to Laura Lockhart.

    Frankly we've already got too many redundant alphabet-soup organizations that have been introduced lately. Hardly anything's been done with S.A.M.; why wouldn't they expand on that instead of making up the UNSF?
  5. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    But Prometheus also mentions that he thinks that it's being controlled/guided in some way.
    Source?
  6. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane View Post
    Wasn't it fairly implicit that's where all the magic users and supers that "go overseas" are going?
    I don't think all of the magic users are sent overseas just because they use magic. Transmuter was a part of Powers Division until Reese got all Reesey on him. We don't really know what's up with the other magic-using mirrors of the signature characters over in Praetoria yet except for Diabolique. All we do know is that Cole must have a tight grip on the use of magic in the city; anyone else who doesn't play along gets sent to play with the Hamidon instead.

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    I mean, take them out, their power goes back to the Well.

    Of course, that's contradictory to what was said about power in as recently as Vincent Ross's arc: that power can't be destroyed, only more of it created.
    It's not destroyed if it goes back to the Well.

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    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    It wouldn't be destoryed - becoming ascended would just mean that one entity had absorbed the force potential of other members of its species -so it Tyrant ascended, he'd absorb power form the rest of Praetoria, weakening the people there.
    Or, if the Well of each species is linked accross the dimesnions, then Tyrant ascending would drain power from every single human in the mutliverse.
    I think its been established that the power of the Well that we're trying to release comes from the same Well that's empowering Tyrant.

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    Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane View Post
    Yeah, but them taking it shouldn't matter because more power can be created.
    Well, Prometheus doesn't seem concerned about whether or not someone can ascend so much as whether they should. Right now, since the Battalion is bearing down on Primal Earth, he doesn't think anyone should be playing around with the idea of taking that much power for themselves at all. We don't really know how long it takes to restore what we would consider a 'normal' amount of potential to the people.
  7. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Positron
    We’re still telling the story of Praetoria until Emperor Cole, aka Tyrant, is defeated. So even in a Primal zone like Dark Astoria there is still going to be some Praetorian influence in the story. She has plans that involve Mot, the god worshipped by the Banished Pantheon, and the Incarnate trial revolves around that plan and how you stop it. The end of that trial is actually a huge realization of how you can eventually take down Tyrant.
    It is? What'd I miss, or is there some missing information here?

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    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    I've been suggesting a revamp for Kings Row ever since Freedom started

    It's got a lot of potential to be our "Gotham", and it'd be a great way to show newer players the darker side of the city early on - especially if they're more into gritty urban environments rather than the "Metropolis" setting of Atlas Park.
    Not enough skyscrapers or darkity-dark to be Gotham. I'd recommend more of a detective noir theme. If there's anything that should be darkity-dark (but not Dark Astoria-dark) it should be Brickstown. That has the Sumerian Underworld theme or somesuch, right? And the whole place was on fire once.

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    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    I think that it's also interesting that he said that there's a clue in the DD Trial as to how we can take down Tyrant - but I'm not sure if he means gameplay or story
    Okay, so it really isn't just me.
  8. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Xzero45 View Post
    Just a theory, but those tentacles seen around the crashed Ouroboros used the same model as the Kraken tentacles in the mission where you rescue Marcus on his ship. So either the devs like to use the same model for a number of different creatures, which is possible, or perhaps Dream Doctor released the Kraken into the waters below Ouroboros?
    Those are actually renamed Praetorian Hamidon tentacles.
  9. I began Who Will Die: Part 6 on one of my characters on Justice server. I had to go AFK for about 15 minutes with the splash page for the arc still up. When I clicked the Enter Game button afterwards, the client crashed and I was prompted to log what I did.

    Now, viewing any of my characters on Character Selection, on any server, the screen says that they are on Map: Unknown. If I attempt to enter the game with them, I am returned to the Server Selection screen with the message 'Cannot find map!'.

    Fix this. I want to play.
  10. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane View Post
    They've definitely set up Dream Doctor to oppose Ouroboros. Both are working to avert the Coming Storm, but they're working against each other.

    Of course, at this point since Ouroboros and Flashback are integrated so deeply into the game, it's an easy guess who we'll ultimately have to side with...unless Dream Doc changes his mind about trashing the place and takes over Ourboros with some help by phasing tech and the player.



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    Interestingly, note that Ramiel calls the Time Echoes in his first mission 'illusions.' Next, note that the Dream Doctor can summon illusions as you fight alongside him. Third, note that the Doctor states that the very next time he comes to Ouroboros, it'll be to knock it into the sea.

    Even if the Dream Doctor is trying to stop Battalion and/or Rularuu, which he may see as the Coming Storm, he may actually end up becoming part of the Coming Storm in at least one possible future.
  11. I only ask because the new information given by Prometheus after finishing Dilemma Diabolique seems to indicate a significant information gap between finishing all of the new Dark Astoria content and getting to the trial. I'm not certain whether the info on 'Diabolique is trying to become a Well' or what have you was meant to be inside that gap.
  12. On the I22 patch notes, it says there's an 'intro' arc leading into the Dilemma Diabolique trial. Any idea what this might be? I don't think its the Dream Doctor's arcs...
  13. Heya LH.

    Just so you're aware, if you haven't reactivated your subscription yet, no one can send you private messages on the forum and no one can invite you to global channels ingame. Well...it depends on what Rewards Tier you've earned already, I guess.
  14. Making the claim that Paragon's killed off Statesman and Psyche because they're Emmert's creations is about as edgy as a tennis ball.
  15. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Codewalker View Post
    And of course the looks-like-healing-a-split-personality-but-really-turns-a-psychic-into-a-living-bomb ritual. Some Circle cultist must have been having a slow day to come up with that one.
    Wade planted the Power Intensifier that the Rulu-Shin stole at the beginning of WWD2 at the ritual site. That, in addition to the empowerment ritual, created a multiplier effect that completely overloaded Sister Psyche's powers.
  16. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tenzhi View Post
    I've fought numerous Malta and never noticed that.
    Is it because you never noticed, or because they actually call us MHIs? (Metahuman Incursions)


    Sorry. Had to fix.
  17. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Geratron View Post
    Fellow troper!
    I stay away from that site as much as possible. It makes me crabby and critical of everything.
  18. Quote:
    Originally Posted by TsumijuZero View Post
    If Wade used the remaining pillar to take Psyche's powers, thats a bit of a big thing to stash in the Orenbegan tunnels without the Circle thinking "ooh our pillar's back!"
    The obelisk was nowhere in sight when Statesman died, either. Its direct presence doesn't appear to be necessary, contrary to the first obelisk's appearance in WWD1.

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    Originally Posted by Xzero45 View Post
    Hardly anything in the arc actually dealt with his demise. Life just went on for everyone else as we blissfully ignore the fact he died not too long ago. I only ran this as a villain, but you'd think that your character's street cred would soar, considering A. you're at the scene of the crime, and B. I doubt Darrin Wade came out to the public and said "I did it! I killed him!"
    I don't think anyone's ignoring Statesman's death. Long-term fallout requires...you know, time. The most immediate consequences of his death, an escalating crime wave, is just beginning. Your street cred could be soaring, or at least your infamy could be, considering that Vanguard is probably going to ask for your help to defeat Wade in WWD7 via Infernia even though you did have something to do with Statesman's death.

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    It was all about you gaining a new minion that promises they won't backstab you, and fighting some random villains as I think I lured Psyche into a trap? I didn't even really know, considering you don't bump into her at all until the very end, when she's already trapped.
    Wade's Xanatos gambit made the heroes put Psyche into his trap. You're tracking down the heroes to make sure that the trap doesn't blow up Aurora-Psyche before Psyche dies. And really, that's all that WWD6 is about redside.
  19. Quote:
    Originally Posted by SlickRiptide View Post
    Since we're posting spoilers, does Wade ever make it clear in either the blue or red arc just why he has it in for Sister Psyche? Does he just want her power for himself or is he somehow tying up loose ends?
    He's cinching his attempt to become Rulaaru.

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    Originally Posted by InfamousBrad View Post
    3) Inconsistency between the two stories: If in the hero mission, the hero kills Tryska (or whatever her name was) before the ritual, how is she still there for pseudo-Aurora to possess after the ritual in the villain version?
    Both arcs aren't supposed to occur; only one happens, depending on the alignment of your character.

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    Originally Posted by William_Valence View Post
    Sister Psyche really can't be perma-dead otherwise there's nothing left to tie the pieces together.

    Wade wanted to know about Numina's possesion ability as a target of the power swapping obelisk. With that not Viable, Sister Psyche is the target because of her mind riding. He'd have to use the obelisk to take that ability, so that he can take over Rularuu.

    There hasn't been anyone introduced other than her that fits the bill.

    ...

    This part of the SSA was kinda a head scratcher
    Greer informs you that Wade should have Psyche's powers now as a result of her death.
  20. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dante View Post
    To which I've never understood why we couldn't do the same to Praetoria given that they appear to be mostly all technology based.
    Well, appearances aside, we don't want to seal off access to Praetoria because this time we have to defeat the opponent. According to Prometheus, that is.
  21. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker View Post
    That's a very interesting point - we become the greatest we can be... and then there needs to be something we must fight against.

    Somebody above also said the Rikti have fought the Battalion off - which is interesting because as the game stands, we're pretty well stalemated with the Rikti at present.
    Well, what we were fighting in RWZ was a dripping faucet compared to what we stopped Hro'Dtohz from bringing in by the end of Dark Watcher's arc, which is what Earth's heroes stopped at the end of the First Rikti War. Not only that, but the Battalion fought the Rikti when the Rikti had the home team advantage, which I would imagine be the entire lake, metaphorically speaking. I'm not really sure what 'defeated' means when the fight is referenced in the RWZ arcs: if there's another, seperate Battalion in the universe the Rikti are from and it was completely wiped out, or if the Rikti fought off the same Battalion we're fighting now, and it came to this universe to try another angle.

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    ...then when the Rikti and Humans join forces to take on the Battalion...
    This is a likely future scenario.

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    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    Another possible plot point is that the Praetorian Well is just called a "version" of the Well of the Furies, which could imply that humanity shares one single Well across the multiverse, rather than having sepearte Wells for each dimension.
    That would explain why the Battalion, which so far seems to only be in the Primal dimension, is also a threat to Praetorian Earth - and why the Rikti would be under threat too, as they could still be attached to the human Well in some way.
    I think that the transdimensional presence of a Well is confirmed by Prometheus. It just really depends on how much Rikti culture still associates itself with the concept of 'humanity'. It'd be pretty difficult not to these days, what with bringing the Lost into the ranks and such...

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    Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker View Post
    If that were the case surely they'd be back more frequently... Sure they have big nasties... but they aren't so nasty now we're Incarnates. Metahumans have increased exponentially since the Rikti first arrived.

    Hell they don't even try invading any more cuz we kick their arses to kingdom come.
    ...well, you remember all the stuff that both sides learned by the end of the RWZ content...
  22. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker View Post
    I like the sentiment but that's not what I understand the Well to be - were it to be so it'd be much more pleasing. However my understanding is that the Well is a separate and distinct entity that's little more than a lunatic psychotic witha lot of power - however it's not humanity. Conclusion; either I've missed something or it's written so poorly the meaning is lost in delivery.
    I'm not ingame right now, but I believe there are points where Prometheus says that a Well entity is something that 'agrees' to guide its associated species through the achievement of Incarnate power when that species becomes aware of its connection to 'something greater' -- which is his justification for wanting us to control it, instead of the other way around, since it agreed to help us in the first place -- and there are points where Prometheus says that its the repository for a species ideas and creativity, etc., and changes as that species' culture changes. If both of these points are true, then we're missing a bit of information on what a Well really is and where it comes from, whether its a physical manifestation of the sum human personality or something from another place. I mean, from what I remember hearing of Prometheus' I22 stuff, it sounds like the writers are heading in the direction of the latter case, but again, we may just be missing pertinent information.

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    Obviously - we know we cannot lose the fight against the Coming Storm, whatever entity it is - because if we do, then it's literally Game Over... so I don't envy the challenge the Devs have to meet, especially the writers.
    Time travel obviously isn't beyond the Battalion's means. They gobbled up most of Dillo's race; what limitations on their states of matter have been removed as a result? What if at some point, the Battalion altered itself in such a way so that death isn't the end for them, and is just a setback? Prometheus says that there's almost nothing the Battalion hasn't prepared for, so what could give him cause to say something like that and mean it? We haven't been given much in the way of an epic yarn to pump up the Battalion by explaining in what way they devoured so-and-so species or how they turned the planet into strange matter or what their arm cannon Got Equipped With as a result of their victory.

    (Then again, the Battalion is probably more like a force composed of several different species with the 'Dark Father's' forces calling all the shots among them. Still, there's nothing saying that those species haven't been significantly altered in some way, moving traits from one to others to create different kinds of soldiers, sort of like the Combine forces in the HL2 canon. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the Battalion turned out to be quite like the Combine, but altered with a comic book flair.)

    I am taking Prometheus' statement with a grain of salt -- the Rikti beat the Battalion, after all -- but the only way for the Battalion to appear as a credible threat in the near future is to have them get very cheaty on Day One of their arrival, which they should because they know that we already know they're coming and because they know there are Incarnates on Earth. The challenge the writers have is that to make the Battalion a credible threat, there must be the impression that our characters, and Earth, really could lose this time, no matter how much the players expect to win.

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    Originally Posted by BellaStrega View Post
    I actually think having gods be these special things apart from humanity is rather trite.
    That sounds more like a personal opinion rather than intelligent speculation on the nature of such beings in the CoH universe. The truth is that two origins for godlike beings have been given so far in the canon and we don't know which, if not somehow both, remains true.
  23. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dante View Post
    Lamenting the changes in story from what I remember to what we have now really. When I first read about them, the Battalion were described as a vast armarda that travelled from galaxy to galaxy, seeking out power sources and consuming them somewhat similar to a horde of locusts. They stripped planets and systems bare, consuming stars as they went and laying waste to anything that stood in their way. That which could not be consumed was destroyed, leaving darkened, dead space behind them. They never stopped, always moving, always hungry.

    There was something about the way they were described that made them utterly relentless, never ceasing and I liked that, as if we were finally going to face an enemy that couldn't be bargained or reasoned with, that never stopped. It was these descriptions that got me very excited to know about the Coming Storm, there felt some real terror, a sense of foreboding. And, as I said, there was not a hint of Incarnates or Wells in it. Oh, and knowing that one of the Menders used to be one of the Battalion was quite a twist as well.
    I don't see much difference between what you read before and what we may be getting in the future, so I don't know why you're disappointed. All of the essential components are still there.
  24. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dante View Post
    It's times like this I miss the 'old Battalion'. I had a chance to read some of the documents relating to Ourboros before they were put in game and the Battalion sounded absolutely badass. Not a mention of Wells, giant blue Smurfs or Praetoria in sight.

    Now the Incarnate lore's been jammed in there, who knows what they'll be when they show up. Such a shame.
    Y'know, you didn't give any mention as to what they were the last time I saw you mention those documents, so I have to wonder why you're saying this again, but not saying much again.

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    Originally Posted by Mr_Morbid View Post
    I'd say a direct statement from the devs carries more weight than one possible interpretation of an exploration badge's text.
    I think the Drowning in Blood trial gives correct clues.