TehHippeh

I will be saying this simplistically, but DR is applied to the ending value of whatever stat you are monitoring. So, if you have +resist and are getting hit with -res debuffs, the effect could end up being a wash as far as the DR formula is concerned.

Stupid example: 40 base res + 20 res shield -20 res debuff = 40 * (DR overly complicated formula)

So, if you are faced with debuffers, buffs are more valuable than not. But I am not sure you could ever say you ever get the "full" benefit.

Sadly I did not see any conclusive evidence one way or the other on if the change is retroactive. I suppose the best test would be for the devs to set it on the "Beta testers" channel and see how many people get dropped.

It looks like the default is "0" in the sense that someone does have to use the command to have any kind of limit. At least then people won't have to have a limit if they don't want one.

My personal favorite example in that thread is: "What if someone gets up to pee and in the interim their evil brother goes and makes all sorts of channel changes!?!"

One of the most requested features I have seen for a while is a way to remove inactive users from channels. Now that we have it, it is horribly broken and a griefer's paradise!!!11!

More interesting in the thread, though, is that there does seem to be a slash command to remove offline accounts from global channels. Sadly, that command was not shared.

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...=217949&page=5

I did not endorse the angst I am hoping that is a rhetorcial question.

The scenarios people are coming up with are somewhat comical IMO - like there are Chat special forces just waiting to take over your channel if you let your guard down for an instant.

As a word of caution on this, the PVP number displays do not take into account DR. You will get the base PVP numbers, but not what you would actually have if you stepped into a PVP map with DR enabled.

The discussion I saw was in the latest open beta patch note thread.

The angst seemed to be over the minimum days of 7, which is shorter than a vacation, which may lead to griefing/channel takeovers/a variety of other Bad(tm) things.

Nah, I hope I did not imply that. Like I said, I have no idea if transference was what allowed me to get him low enough for me to keep his end empty via short circuit and ball lightning.

Another thing I did not think of: If his power had recharge, siphon speed spared me a good amount.

You know, take back what I said :O

Don't you dare take away his broad brush! How will he get his conclusions painted so quickly if he cannot use his broad brush! If he can't use his broad brush, he may have to admit the devs put out a bad patch instead of calling everyone who dislikes it a cheater!

Seriously, if what you just cited has no effect on his opinion, he better ask someone to cut an airhole in that box his head is shoved in.

IMO, support toons' effectiveness really depends on which PVP options you have turned on - meaning it really pays to think about how much zone versus arena you may be doing.

With DR on, ally buffs can be reduced to really trivial usefulness. For example, resist ally shields may end up giving only 3-5% if your target is a squishy running their ancillary shield option. The same can go for the defense shields if the ally has slotted for defense.

I guess this is a good time to digress a bit - unless it changed, DR works on a "per power" basis, which means that the enhancements in the power itself contribute to the point where DR kicks in. For example, assault may not add all that much to your +damage if you have your attacks slotted to the ED cap. It's not just set bonuses or global values that are diminished.

With Travel suppression on, +movement buffs tend to become minimally useful. Between all the attacking and getting attacked, speed boost and IR do not have much of a chance to help out. With TS off they can be more useful, but I think most PVP builds are already at the movement caps. The buffs do help against slows, though.

DR is kept on even in the PVP league, IIRC - with no DR and the base resists granted as part of the I13 changes, everyone would be at the resist cap to all damage types. Looking at Mac's "standard lineup," you only see Emps as standard support, and they are there for the heals and (maybe) perception I would wager. I have to say I am surprised to see a rad there...my pea brain thinks the debuffing would be tough to keep up given the new mez mechanics, but maybe the rad debuffs just need to be in place for the couple seconds of spiking.

For emps/therms, heal decay on or off will affect how many people you can keep alive/assist. Zones it is always on, but I think most arena matches turn it off - not sure what Vic will do for Fight Nights.

The changes are one of the main reasons my PVP enthusiasm waned when I13 hit. Of my PVP viable/decent toons, and the ones I was leveling just for PVP, pretty much all of them were team support. I would have had to "start over" and roll all new characters, and I just didn't have it in me. What I should have done instead of giving up is used the AE exploits to get me those toons, but instead I got jaded...ah, c'est la vis.


I am sure I missed some things, so I will let the smart people talk now

I can see how it happened, but I am surprised they didn't think of it. They made the "memorized" section a tab like any other inventory, and the search treats it like you actually have it on hand

Hmmm. I will have to play that again on my elec defender. I managed to drain him and stop him from using that power more than once - but not sure if it was transference that did it or Short Circuit. It may be possible to stock up on the purps until you get his end bottomed out, then be able to blap away. I did also kite him, which sounds less desirable for you.

Thanks for the explanation. I have to admit I missed that detail. Probably because of the tears in my eyes related to my kins.

Hopefully they get this fixed, but at the moment, that prompt for salvage kicks in for your memorized recipes. In other words, it's a pain in the *** for badge/crafting toons.

Yeah, the -regen of the base amount is part of the "suppression" temp power you get applied to you. When you are suppressed, you get this power applied to you - and that is also why slows do not work the same way. IIRC, this power sets your travel speeds, so while it is applied, you can't be movement slowed to a lower amount.

It maybe changed since then, but that's how I remembering it work in the I13 beta - frankly, I have not played a lot of anything since those changes except arena - with suppression OFF.

Many of my arcs have captive rescues in them. Shame on me for using such a blatant exploit.

Really, if you don't bother to read the objections people have, and just wish to label everyone who is affected some kind of dirty cheat, please bow out of the thread.

You ever played any of his arcs. Nary a funky mechanic to be found. And that has been at least half the complaints in this thread - it affects "legit" arcs as much as, if not more than, the exploit arcs.

And if you write off legitimate concerns as a "non-issue" you just may get them fighting among themselves more.

Seriously, there is at least one issue here. Maybe not the intent, but certainly the execution. Either that or the execution was fine but the patch note was horribly written. But that is still an issue.

That's not my point. I don't care if you love it or hate it. You can hate AE more than anything in your life. I never even hinted you should like it. Or anyone else. But, what about AE stops you from playing the decent regular game that never went away?

You said you had a SG. There was teaming for you, but they quit. Because AE farming existed? I still can't fathom why people who enjoy the game outside of AE would quit because AE exists. Except for badges, there is no reason one would ever have to set foot in any of the buildings.

That's like quitting because there's PVP in the game.

I am sorry your SG quit because of AE. I am sorry that AE somehow "poisoned" the rest of the game for you. I just don't understand it at all.

Intended is not the same thing as being designed/balanced for. If I had to guess, I would belive it was always intended - they just didn't do any real playtesting or balance testing on it before it was implemented.

The sad part is, it became an easy scapegoat for any and all powers changes afterward - now THAT is a great way to fragment the player base. Damn PVPers took mah BURN PATCH and Mah REGIN!

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Work can also, and more often in the frame of this discussion, means:

My arc uses standard mobs and mechanics that are the same as most of the official game content, but the missions are worth a significantly decreased level of XP.

Your anti-exploit fervor has caused you to swing a bit far to the extremes here. You seem as passionate about this as your "have's versus have not's due to paid packs" stance. Have you even read any of the testing results posted? Would you call those mission exploits? How about the Dev Choice missions affected?

The patch as it functions does not match how the note was written. The patch breaks things that did not need changing and were not exploits. People who wrote stories with no intent of farming are seeing the rewards level they desired (which were not above "normal") decreased a significant amount. These are not rules lawyers or PLers or cheaters or anything else.

You may be comfortable with an exploit "fix" that corrects fewer exploit missions than legitimate ones, but a lot of people here are not. And rightfully so. Flat-out, the patch doesn't work as written. It misses the mark.

And really, anyone who is willing to nerf the game into oblivion or however you put it in order to address an exploit is certainly a more damaging kind of player than any exploiter IMO. You are willing to impact the game's playability and "fun level" for 95% of the players in order to correct the abberant behavior of the other 5%?

Wow.

So, wait, people do actually quit the game because other people can do things they in no way have to participate in?

Wow.

Door sitting is an exploit? Good gracious sakes, man! You took such delight in previous AE farm arcs I guessed some specific farmer teed you off, or you got mad one day when you wanted a "real" team and could not find one - so you built up a nice case of nerd rage.

But if you are calling door sitting an exploit - you need to quit the game. Really. Otherwise all that nerd rage you generate every time you play the game and see someone advertising a farm team will give you a coronary. That giant vein on your forehead will finally pop and you will die of blood loss.

There is already an elegantly-coded solution to the door-sitting problem. A big, blue "Quit Team" button. If people are bored, then can leave the team. If they are not, hell, door sit for 5 months. 10 months.

Yes, and real numbers are, bad, too. Nevermind people could figure it out with testing or using the posts on Red Tomax or Wiki. Somehow those real numbers have led to a terrible demise of the integrity of this game.

I play on a small server, so maybe I am not seeing some of the things that happen on Freedom or Virtue. That said, I hardly believe that these farms are benefitting a bunch of newbs. Some? Sure. But I would have to think that the "new" ways to PL are not being generally advertised, and are being used by "vet" players who want a character but do not want to slog through the 50 levels they have done 20 times before. When AE first hit, sure you had a lot of the AE babies out there. Do we still? I doubt those sheer numbers are here now, and it is probably a lot smaller. We had a new box on the shelves to draw them in - and I reckon a good deal left after the "game" (as they saw AE) was nerfed.

In short - I think "AE Babies" is just thrown out there now because it happened in the past. I see none on Vic or Triumph. Does Freedom still have the constant AE Spam? Maybe. You would have to tell me.

And even with the 1-50 fast crowd continuing, do you think that is enough of the player base to really screw up the markets based just on their efforts?

Have you run this enough to get it down to your prediction of "the new TF merit farm?" I played it once or twice semi-recently and didn't see a lot of good areas to "trim the fat." Of course, that is probably because I'm kinda slow and haven't played it too often. The 45 mins for 42 merits would be pretty sweet for sure.

Have you found people with single TP speeding things up? Or is a whole team with "Assemble" usually enough to keep things clipping along?

I understand why they exist and I'll even agree they do a decent job of fleshing out the game world. But doubling them seems like one of those things where they just threw a dart and hit a number. Like the crafting badges and the Oro Badges. And for these, you aren't even doing anything. Just jumping on a different rooftop or landing on a different statue's arm.

It would be pretty difficult to do any kind of "Pilgrim was here" badges in this game when most things are done in a private instance with random doors to enter them. But I do not want to poo-poo the idea - if there was some way that I personally could affect the game world it would add enjoyment to the game for sure.