Tainted_Greek_EU

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WOO TG, im saying basically i dont think permadom is unfair as other AT;s can 3 shot me anyway, no need to get all personal

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Oh is not personal lol.I am just fed up with the whining on US forums u just happened to be the OP so i clarify this.

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Permadom doesnt make u god like imo as im still squishy as my point proved. to me i dont want to lose the mez protection that permadom offers, nor do i want to be choosing between damage or control of which is seemingly to be put forward in changes. I just want left as is as i already been nerfed with my only power up which is powerboost, whereas blasters have a few to choose from such as bu etc

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A solo blaster is just as vulnurable as a solo dominator to be honest only really skilled PvPers make a difference solo. Afaik i been in teams with dominator and corruptor where blasters died like flies.

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Im basically saying there is no ranged villain counterpart(AFAIK) that cud ever be compared to a blaster (e.g that can 3 shot very easily) and thats wat i think cud be classed as a little unfair and makes zonal pvp unbalanced as a result

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I will disagree strongly here.Skilled dominators with support are terrifying in zones.Afaik dominators RULE US pvp zones atm.Having a high spike from a blaster is not enough to kill something considering the amount of support available to mitigate all this.

Its all down to skill and team skill in zones.There shoudldnt be any 1vs1 debate about this anyway because 1vs1 is not what the game is designed around but its all about teams.

As far as zonal PvP goes never had a problem with facing blasters in RV while playing villains.Plenty of tools to play around with to mitigate the spike.Be it res be it heals be it silence effects (cage).

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I want to be able to faction fit my toons and lose said awesome items when dying.

Mostly for hearing TG on Vent.

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Man those losses did hurt!

99% will be there.

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I cant 3 shot anything as a dom so wheres the fairness in that?!

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You are not supposed to 3 shot anything anyway with a dominator so get a grip.

Blaster is a -----> DAMAGE DEALER

Dominator is a ---> CROWD CONTROL


look here now some magic:

Control is not supposed to 3 shot okay?If you get 3 shotted by a blaster get green inspiration and a corruptor to heal you.

Jeeesh!

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I just think that all toons should be on par with each other in some way so its more interesting

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Some need to start IOing then and purpling up.PvP is about stepping up your game rather than degrading it.

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FRAUD SUSPECTION

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I knew it!I am sending FBI on you Spawnie

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What about if it was on test?

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I wouldnt mind this and is easy like you said to get anything with little effort.

Only drawback is the amount of coordination this will need to do the server regional matches.

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Just for you <3

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Ty <3

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Empath do you want a fight about it.

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What? Emp/Dark vs Emp/Elec? You're on [censored]!

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You both now i can take u both on at same time with cosmic burst.

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POWER PUSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH

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Gimp

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If there really not important, why do you spend hours farming for them, or why do you care if there not allowed in the competition if there not a big impacting thing?

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I didnt say sets are not important i said they dont make difference between teams with purple sets and teams with just set IO's in terms of predetermining the outcome.I spend time because that is current game reward for investing time on your toons.

And i care of course because the moment something that is part of the game is placed out of contest its all downhill from there.

Also i am not prepared to spend inf as i explained to remove sets to go back in time.Even on test server respecing all our toons currently available is a drag considering a lot of the dedicated PvPers have a dedicate PvP roster of 5 toons and upwards.

Bottomline is that is my opinion only and i am of course waiting GR and KS what they come up with and we will determine accordingly our participation like most PvPers out there.

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And you need to calm down on your bigging yourself up were gonna have to open up a new thread just for your head

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Its all part of the PvP jibberish and muscle flexing the psychological warfare has begun

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So if a one team has 20 purples between them, and the other team has 100 between them you think thats all fair, and they should just deal with it? If you want a tournament based purely on the skill of the player and not on the hours they have spent farming inf etc to purple there toons then there has to be some sort of guidelines to insure that the player skills is what making the team "ub0r" and not how many pretty purples they have in there build. Also got to remember that if they are taken out or restricted in some way, it effects everyone i have purples id love to hit you with 129.9 Negative Dmg proc! :P

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I will put it as simple as possible.

Considering

a)i dont want to see restrictions that will simply wont reflect the true state of the game that we play on a daily basis

b)purple sets make NO difference in some of the most vital parts when it comes to PvP one of them being tactics. A fully purped team and a team with just set bonuses IO's are on an even playfield and skill prevails.

which brings me to my next point

c)Despite popular belief our SG has very few purped toons and

d) we will rip to pieces any purped team

which brings me to my conclusion

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So if a one team has 20 purples between them, and the other team has 100 between them you think thats all fair

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Yes its absolutely fair considering only skill makes the difference in such fights.I am waiting to fight SG's that will come fully purped against out teams and make my point even more clear.Not that we havent been making it clear so far

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Would you rather an uneven playing ground?

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I want a playing ground that represents the current state of the game.I dont spend countless hours on builds,team training,tactics and practise in order to be sent back into i10 or i4.

And also i am not be prepared to spend a gazillion inf to respec toons that will be in the availability of my SG to take out IO's and even erasing some due to the dumb respec enhancement slot system.

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I assume that although S4 is more attractive to hardcore PvPers than anyone else, that it will still be open to casual PvPers and maybe even novices. To that end I feel that it will be hard to give everyone an advantage of a level playing field if rares or uniques are used. Hardcore players probably/possibly maxed out their builds by raising their influence income in the usual methods (no need to mention which in the hopes of preventing another off topic debate that has no relevance here ).

Unfortunately not everyone uses these methods. I had 80 million with my influence earner before the salvage invention system came into affect and mainly just to get the influence badge as there wasn't much to spend influence on back then. Even now I'm still sub 300 million and probably due to playing alts a lot and not spending as much time on the one character as I used to, but even with all that influence I couldn't easily if ever get the same amount of uniques and rares in my build as maybe the least well off hardcore PvPer.

I think if someone like me had solely standard Invention origins and was playing someone with uniques and rares, it would feel like Gary Linnekar versus Dwayne Chambers (Mr Clean v Mr Performance Enhanced), to the effect that if I were to lose I could say that I only lost because I hadn't got any uniques or rares. Not true of course as I would lose even if it was the other way round probably hehe.

I think I'd like it to be the basic IOs only allowed, if this was to take part on the test server everyone could do a respec and maybe there would be a supply of free or very inexpensive IOs for everyone and judges could check each characters info to make sure there weren't any bonuses listed.

I suppose as long as everyone playing were happy with purple sets etc. being used then it's of course fine but I feel it makes it, certainly the heavyweight category, open just to hardcore pvp and perhaps defeats some of the object of making the whole S4 open to anybody. Maybe a way around it is to have an open event outside the standard competition events where there's no limits on enhancement types,but this should perhaps be classed as a exhibition event and not a competitive one.

As I don't know a great deal about this event as I wasn't involved in the last one, and perhaps won't be this time (I'm not a competitive person), I may be overlooking something and seeing it all wrong but this is how I feel at this point in time.

Any thoughts ?

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This is an interesting point of view but i will stand by my opinions for simple reasons.

I consider (without knowing anything) that the event is open to all but this is a PvP event and in fact a competitive one.Its not radom zonal pvp or mixed people matches.

Locking Purples/Sets etc out of the competition is against the spirit so far of PvP where no power is cheating (against popular belief that insps,TK,phase etc are in fact major hax). Locking purples or set IO's outside the competition hell even tiered insps is first step to locking out specific powers as well one by one.

Everyone has access to these insps/enhancements/powers and point is its all down to dedication and "training" just like in any competitve sport.Of course some will come better prepared due to being dedicated PvPers.

The best solution i can see into this is separating heavyweight into Pro and Semi Pro categories.Where in semi pro casual teams only will participate and of course there has to be a really distinct separation in rewarding these categories because the pro category wont be a walk in the park and cookies exchange like the casual one.

Besides i will put it in a more evil way.There is a general attitude that PvP is the devil around here.So considering this is a PvP event some people will have to take a trip into hell and not turn it into heaven.

A tournament that will not support the current state of the game is going to be a farse and will not represent the current state of PvP in zones and day to day activities but will rather represent memories of the past.

For the record i repeat again this is still my opinion only and my personal views only and not related to the official organisation of the event.(Just so i wont put KS and GR in trouble )

Just to make it clear to everyone Xan was making fun. ( i know i know i am party spoiler )

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Empath do you want a fight about it.

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What? Emp/Dark vs Emp/Elec? You're on [censored]!

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You both now i can take u both on at same time with cosmic burst.

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What makes you say that?

The majority of +Regen powers are either clicks or toggles, both of which benefit from End Red and Recharge as well as Heal enhancement.

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Yeah this.To be honest heal sets only issue i see is with targeted heals.

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I thought "The Basics Of Empathing"* was top notch as guides go it was clear, concise and gave helpful advice with some humour and the minimum of verbage. I only wish it had been about when I first started the game.

11 Thumbs up

(1st 50 and longest ever to get there Emp/Elec)

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Clearly you have awesome taste. Emp/Elec is the best.

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apparently you both got no taste cause we all know Emp/rad is the most awsome

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I think IOs should be banned

why should people have an unfair advantage because they spend all day and night farming for their "mad purpz"? I actually want to play the game, thank you very much.

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Because in the same manner,inspirations,TK,cage,assasin strike,aim,bu and rads all together should be banned too.

IO's are part of the game evolution and part of daily PvP.

Besides lol if you lock out IO's/sets/Purps, dont expect to see PvP players joining cause there aint many PvPers without em

Yep good fun thanks

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i dont want to see heroe/villain mixed teams mainly because unless u limit the teams to 10/12 (1 of each AT +epic) you have to tie in each AT to another Ie can either pick Defender or Corr but not both, or u start leaving out melee toons etc.

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I would like to see a pentad system that matches hero villains and allows a mix up maybe?

Domi/Controllers
Tank/Brute
Scraper/Stalker
Corr/Defender
VEAT/HEAT
Blasters,MM's could be standalone categories.

I think mixing heroes/vills will allow more diversity in team fights and break the fotm pentad teams that could be brought forth.

Mixing will allow player skill to shine as well good tactics over fotm.

Also i was in a debate yesterday with someone claiming that IO's and Purple sets shouldnt be allowed.

The simple fact is the game has evolved and the invention system is part of the game.Locking purple sets or IO's out is like locking pvpers out of this event or its the same as not allowing inspirations in matches.

Once again this is just my opinion and there is no relation to what GR together with KS are planning or me knowing something.

Aye as Ks pointed out is just a debate what people think since there seem to be a lot in game.

This is not related to any inside info since there aint any and is pure debate.

Since is obvious S4 is in the works i would like to have a debate about potential ruleset and with what mindset should this tournament be approached.

This is my opinion only of course as always and would like to have a debate about it and hear from rest too since GR wasnt in previous event as well.

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-Would like to have Heavyweight and a Middleweight tourney just like previous S4 had gone down.

-Tournament could retain the previous matchup style by having regional servers battle it out to the top and then the regionals battle it out for EU top positions.
-Pentad style retained

-Mixed Hero/Villains teams in order to avoid whiners that still cry about heros being overpowered and also openning up a whole new tactical level regarding within the competition.

-Insps of course allowed

-Heavyweights at 50 of course Middle weights 24

-enhancements: Since we are at i12 and the game has evolved is obvious at heavyweight at least all is allowed.Considering the regionals also will be taking place on test server where is easy as hell to create builds how u want em heavyweight cant have tbh restrictions on purples,IO's and so on and so on.


Well these are just my thoughts and what i gathered from some debates in game so feel free to discuss

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I'll be working with him on planning the event, however with our trip last week and catching up on everything here this week I haven't had the chance to focus on it just yet.

It'll be a big part of what I do next week, though .

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righto sounds awsome GR.Will be opening a new thread btw in a few to allow people drop in ideas and discuss potential ruleset regarding this tourney because it has been hot potato topic of the week seem in game

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Is it really important on how many issues we get a year?I mean as long as we're getting free huge content improvements of good quality, is it really important on how many we get?

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In my opinion yeah it actually is depending on the content.Content that extends playability between the launch of two issues enough than its all good.Releasing though content that is not enough to extend playability between issues matters and if they intend release such content better keep it at 3 issues per year.

EDIT: Just to clarify.In my opinion only content that extends playability is related to PvE and PvP game.Revamping zones visually,adding costumes doesnt extend playability without the appropriate content to back up those improvements.

KS any news on this? We getting a bit.......excited.