Tainted_Greek_EU

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Do not flame the decision of the organisers

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Noone flamed.We simply disagree with the setup and discuss it since obviously GR opened this thread for this.And considering we got as much experience as the organisers in PvP allowing us to comment,dont see why not

a)make a poll

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b)use previous S4 setup which will give chance to both sides to participate since like i mention level 24 or 32 will work nicely for those wanting to particpate and have laughs and can level easily toons needed like in previous S4 and level 50 the more dedicated PvPers.

Noone is answering my question why not use scheme b which worked perfect for previous event.

Considering this is a mixed event pure Villain pentad teams are not saved by APP/PPP removal and declaring TK and focused accuracy as invalid tactics.

Level 50 and level 24 or even 32 format solves the issue nicely.

Casuals and whoever thinks its not fair go to level 32-24 Bantamweight event and can easily level toons for it as needed and spec them as needed,Hardcore PvPers and more competitive matches go to 50.Worked sweet as last S4

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out of intrest how would players feel about the 40/50 question being open to agreement by the 2 opposing team captains, if an agreement can not be reached a best of 3 r/p/s match with the winning captain picking the level limit?

Or would this create to much of an uneven keel to the contest?

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This is not viable.Looking at the entry list captains can know which matches they wanna have at 40 and which at 50.

Rules need be same from start till end.

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another is 2 leagues, a level 40 league and a level 50 "elite league" but this segreate the compition which did not prove successful in s4 (there were several weight classes on 2 went ahead), a further one is having the fights get progessively "tougher" as the compitiion progesses with early rounds at 40 and later at 50.

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I dont mind that but judging from previous S4 only Bantamweight and Heavyweight (lvl 50) went on.

So why not instead keep this scheme which will make the Bantamweight open for more casual players as well since there will be no PPP's/APP's TK's and so on and hell not even many IO's.

S4 classes were perfect imho.level 50 and level 24.Level 24 will draw the casuals and those that just want some PvP and level 50 will attract high end as well as any casuals or people that want a laugh.

Since there will be no trashtalking and so on there is no reason anyone to be put off from steping in heavyweight arena.

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If that's that the majority want, then how's that a problem? They wouldn't do this in the house of commons, most votes = win, simple.

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If the majority of people who get to vote are all those in favor of one thing, while the actual majority is against it, I see a problem.

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The majoirty of people voting will be either people participating or willing to participate.So there isnt much issue really.

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Yeah and calling things "fishy" and so on doesn't help..

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Right due to my noob english i will retract the fishy comment and apologise for it.My rest of concerns still stand.

Cherry i have the outmost respect for you and definitely not direct my answer personally at you but the organisation as a whole.

Like i said the reasons provided so far do not really dictate to a level 40 necessity and of course we are raising our objections because level 40 pvp doesnt represent day to day PvP by no means.

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but to put it bluntly I'm sorry but get over yourself's your just not that important.

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Considering we rank pretty high at the moment if not highest having annihilated pretty much everyone in arena matches i would say we have all right to consider all options when powers start being locked out and especially when some of the powers had been part of our tactical choices in matches against the organisers SG.I have personally no beef with KS, i certainly dont have anything to say as a person against him.My concern is purely on a game level.

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After that comment if it is felt neccesary remove myself from all association with the contest.

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I would feel safer if you remained associated with the contest but still remains a concern regarding the level 40 choice.

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I dont have time to reply to every post but all the things I've mentioned are parts of the reasono 40 was chosen and not the only reasons so counter them if you wish but please try and do them sensibly so your arguements are not drowned

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We would like to know all the reasons then because the ones provided dont stand much.

Double Phase doesnt exist in game anymore,TK is widely available and popular to stand as a reason for bringin the event to level 40.

Equating resistances of fire and ice with psi still doesnt stand since there is no team buff for psi res that can stand in this tournament as a viable option.

The APP/PPP story still doesnt stand considering this is a mixed tournament and villain only players still cry the same story "HEROES OMG OP".

Power build up has been nerfed to stand as game breaking balance between heroes and villains.

So what exactly are valid reasons for this.We would like to hear from GR or KS because this

a)doesnt represent game at its current state

b)Seems weird that people that observe PvP decided that TK and focused accuracy are gamebreaking while equal tournament in US dont have restrictions like this.

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If the plan is to have a tournament with power restrictions (which btw go against the whole "Proper power use in PVP")that dont promote competition but predetermine results to the advantage of some specific setups we will join the ranks as well of the teams and PvPers that will not participate to this unless given some REALLY valid reasons.

Cause so far i not see any to be honest.

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The one point I will counter is that of Atism the difference between dom/cont TK and defender TK is that every defender has access to TK through the Psi pool whilst only mind doms/cont's (I'm aware this is a significant number of the PvP'ing population of these AT's) gain access to TK.

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I will put this as simple as possible.The logic "some powers are not fun" is simply

You cannot lock out powers because they are simply not fun.


Vindicate withholds participation unless this is sorted out as well.

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Isnt having it @lvl 40 Devolution, not evolution?

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Yeah.Last S4 was at 50.This one at 40.Next one will be at level 10, Z4: iBrawl.

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Considering that VEATS are not allowed in game and epic shields as well basically favor from start teams with psi blasters?

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The note about shields is not a hugely biased one since for example this is how it only effects controllers and defenders on hero side. Defenders who get no fire or ice resistance in epic pools does this give fire and ice blasters and unfair edge? Controllers can get psi def/res but at the cost of fire or ice.

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Fire and Ice team resistance through powers is really easy and available at large through popular pvp sets like corruptor sets,sonic sets etc.

Psi team res comes from VEATS and Dark defenders.

I am cool with it considering we got psi blasters by the ton in SG but 20min fights against something you can have no resistance against doesnt represent current PvP.

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The IO's would have to be lvl 43 or below, unless they are purples that work at any lvl... or uniques slotted in a power available at 40.

No it may not lock out any sets, but many people specced for lvl 50 play will need to re-build themselves if they want max bonuses

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Now this is weird because all this means that instead of dupping level 50's lets start duping 43's.

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one of the reasons it was felt without point fingers at anyone or saying these are invalid tactics, certain 40+ powers are felt to not ruin but remove the fun from PvP

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For example you want dominators to be able to TK and mind controllers but not defenders because a TKing defender is obviously different.

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blasters/trollers alternating between phase and hibernate

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Considering there was a nerf recently to dual phase i dont see how this is true.Everyone will have 1 phase power so whats the difference here.

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focused acc essentially removes one AT from viable play and ruins Debuff's days

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And fortitude and forge dont ruin it?Tactics?

20min matches under permadomination with TK which takes the fun out of PvP with no IW is real fun?

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My Ill/Storm was not too dissimilar to yours except that rather 3 rechg'd 3 dam SO'd Freezing Rain and the pets.

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Wait...what? You have Freezing Rain slotted with damage?

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In 2 secs I can almost cast the equivalent of 16 * the damage of Blind because F.R. can hit 16 and constantly over waves of multiple targets its dps can be worth as much as over 3 * Blind's.

On the french server I am not normally outside of an 8 man team even at this time which is 4 am.

So yes I do damage slot it and when it comes to IOs I have 6 slots worth frankensteining.

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This is probably the most hilarious thing I've read since IM said to slot Flash with damage.

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This is prolly 3rd most hilarious thing ever after IM's slot to flash with damage and RoTP being a tanking technique.

Ok i see about VEATS.

However about level 40.I understand the point is to lock out IO's or so or try to even APP/PPP but the issue is huge with resistances.Since the event is on test EVERYONE can make the builds they want so kinda defeats the purpose of having it at 40.APP/PPP wise.The resistance issue is huge imho and should be reconsidered.

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X4 Matches are currently planned to be held at level 40 – Cruiserweight, with each match lasting 20 minutes.

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So first limit the event to level 40 for some weird reason and then move the event on test so less people sign up for it and the ones that sign up start duping level 40's?

And 20minutes?Turn the event into a "which team burns the other team breakfrees faster"?


Considering that VEATS are not allowed in game and epic shields as well basically favor from start teams with psi blasters?

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Has the email arrived yet?

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ermmm thats need to know


Emails been recieved and check and confirmed X4:Evoltuion. is coming out!

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I love the poster.Awsome work ML.Now rules plx or some preliminary ruleset or something cause the suspense is too much.

EDIT: looking at the poster i gather heroes and villains are separate league?

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My Ill/Storm was not too dissimilar to yours except that rather 3 rechg'd 3 dam SO'd Freezing Rain and the pets.

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Wait...what? You have Freezing Rain slotted with damage?

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Its one of those pro things like RoTP tanking and super secretz scrappers taunting

ooooh i can feel the tension!!!

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Can you give some advice for zonal pvp?

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My advice is remove thunderclap because it roots you for too long and its not worth as much as it used to detoggle wise.

Hurricane is an absolute must.

Dont bother with teleport,unless you are making a special focused build.

Hurdle,CJ,SJ,SS is the best pvp combo to keep unsupressed movement.

Happy Birthday matey.Wish ya all the best!

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Basically I have slotted tactics with the perception IO, but I was wondering, for the purposes of PvP, will it actually let me see anyone I couldnt see before with tatcics alone?

I was wondering if someone who understood the numbers could explain it for me?

Cheers

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I think it depends on what AT you are playing as.Not 100% sure since i dont have the numbers but it makes a difference on defenders.Not on blasters though since i suspect its what you are interested in.

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Things are moving along ... maybe a preliminary announcement tomorrow, all going to plan

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WOOTA!

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My observation has to be also that if the thermal corruptor cannot heal against 1 blaster there is something SERIOUSLY wrong here.

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Could the seriously wrong thing be that the thermal gets dead fast?

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Depends on the thermal really.Good thermals leg it fast and come back in battle fast plus phase when they get primaried.By the time u get primaried again phase is up again.

Flack.Su - T-Break (Beta remix) is our official SG/VG song.

Personal favourite has to be

Markus Schulz feat. Dauby - Perfect (Agnelli & Nelson remix)

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We had NO problem at all killing the blasters and anything that moved to be honest.

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Bah! - Arachnos Propaganda!

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We got to do something to bring more to the dark side

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Just been in RV team of 2 doms a thermal and a stalker.. on the subject of Dominators being overpowered..

We were minced by a blaster and an empath.. nothin we could do at all..

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This is really weird cause i was in RV yesterday in a team of Thermal (myself),Dominator (Loar),VEAT (Globey),Stalker (Shotta) against at least 3-4 blasters bunch of tanks Mother's Love in the zone buffing people a rad a bunch of random scrappers and some random stalkers outside our team.We had NO problem at all killing the blasters and anything that moved to be honest.We had no problem at all dominating the heroes and keeping them at their base despite yes taking the occasional casualty.

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And yes it's coz were n00bz is the next comment lol ah well n00b and proud

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I didnt say anything like that and didnt plan to say but since u spotted the problem here i will have to say that even if they buff dominators to bring Armageddon in Paragon City when placed in the hands of an unskilled player powers dont matter at all.

My observation has to be also that if the thermal corruptor cannot heal against 1 blaster there is something SERIOUSLY wrong here.

*awaits the pvp,farming flamefest and grabs some awsome pop corn to watch*

PS: I aint been put off by anything to be honest especially based on what other people play but thats just me

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and not everyone has the time or inclination to travel with an Uber buff team and just want to have a laugh

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Tough luck then because zonal PvP is all about teamwork.Sure u can step in it solo but the game is not balanced around this and shouldnt be anyway.

Stepping in a PvP zone solo is fine and dandy but dont expect to survive and the game to be balanced around that.