Stalk_obot_EU

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SS on it's own can be a pain on a Stalker. When trying to get away from the rest of a team thats just found their troller lying face down and are out for blood can be tricky.
If you go down the SS route for Stalkers LEARN the map before you start engaging as if you want to escape you are going to need to know all the shortcuts.

Tbh i'd say that for a SJ would be the best power for this AT. Looking at it from a Stalker point of view stalking, a hero who has SJ and uses it to its full advantage (yes you Agent Matron ) can be hard to target, and even when u have a lock can be hard to keep track of. Also handy for getting to opponents who think that hiding on buildings will keep them safe . When i finally can get the respec mission finished i'll probably go for SS and SJ combined.

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Never underestimate the pleasure of ASing a flyer in mid air

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yes hit and run seems to work

*lays quicksand,lays earthquake,double stacks quicksand,prepares snowstorm,prepares intimidate and aoe hold and fossilize*

i am sure you ll run away *pets tp foe and container box*

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*laughs at this and keeps distance from fear power while throwing impales*

*hopes he doesnt have team*

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I also know CM triple stacks from one source but it doesnt help if i am floating above and attcking from a blind side like many sniping blasters do without the benefit of hide and stealth.

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You are wrong about that. You can float anywhere you want the way target cycles goes just always let us know that you are there. You get the impression we not deal with floating stalkers just because we not attack you. The thing is a stalker doesnt become primary target unless he will do significant damage tot he team. So when i know the moment you will hit me or anyone you target he will simply receive healing there is no reason to deal with that.I prefer focus on more crucial targets. Of course this not go always but dont let some tactics or playstyles deceive you that you are not being seen. Also remember that PvPers usually dont play on chase cam angle so not really any blind spots.

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Of course there are no blind spots if you are checking all angles but in my meagre experience this is not always possible particularly when you are concentrating on the more obvious targets. As for the targeting cycle, I have always found that it rotates through those in your line of sight as opposed to those above and behind, I presumed this to be a programing feature.

And again, Im not refering to co-ordinated team battles where the dynamics change considerably :P

My Spines/EA PVP stalker is doing pretty well for himself, I sacrificed defence for pool powers (4 of them at lvl 26) and have no regrets, hes a stalker not a scrapper and thats how I play him.

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I like Sirens call, and I'm a novelty knife scabbard for every stalker within 100yds (think I died 15 times last night).

I know I dont stand a chance but I certianly dont run, sure I guess some people do but then that is their right to retreat/run away.

Last night there seemed to be a good mix of numbers,equal Vs and Hs and little bad feeling.
The only problem I had was when I got dropped by a hoard of Tsoo who were invisible 'till I landed in their midst, but thats most likely just down to my comp.

Other than my getting to know the hospital staff really well, I managed to mock several Vs and cause them no end of dry cleaning problems with my arterial spray

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when you said "I have a feeling of impending doom" when I was halfway through my AS animation made me laugh Best bet is for blasters to stay and fight anyway running away with 5% health is just a target for my impale while fighting means you have defiance on your side and incredibly powerful attacks.

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I would agree that Teleporting Stalkers are hard to chase without good perception, but they are easily held and lose endurance quickly. Most Stalkers I chase have SJ, Acrobatics and get away by going back to base. I haven't seen a Stalker with Super Speed yet lol, the big white line in the water would be a huge give away. Fly isn't good for Stalkers either.

Edit: Just thinking that Fly would be good for approaching a target and Super Speed for getting away. You might not be able to spare the powers though.

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My dedicated PVP Spines/EA Stalker has both fly and SS and it rocks, endurance problems are now resolved so I have SS permanantly on. I can sneak up on flying/hovering targets and AS them or send them plummeting to earth with impale for my team to slaughter. Should i get chased by a flyer/PB/WS I just switch off fly and run off at great speed. As for powers, yeah its been hard to balance it as I have 4 pool powers now at lvl 26 Speed/Fitness/Concealment/flight but these are integral to my character and playing style, the only downside is I havent got build up yet (getting it at 28) and only powers in defence I have are Hide (compulsory) and Entropy Shield (awesome at resisting controller powers and TP foe ) I dont miss the defense in PVP as I didnt build it to resist attacks.

I would recommend this to people and clocked up 210 pvp points now in a character that is 8 or 9 days old and fully slotted with +3 SOs with my haul from Sirens.

Shoe was on the other foot today, there was a load of PVP players mostly Paragon Defenders but not many on the villains side, also team dynamics were not there and precious little Stalkers can do against several Storm controllers, few came via the arena call up and those that were there just gave up, I started missioning myself, suppose I had actually start putting some lvls on this alt.

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He's not just CM'd once, but whatever.

I know you use Impale to get a ranged critical rather than AS, because it's also an immobilize and -fly.

The discussion we're having here is whether it's easy to kill him when he's teamed with the rest of the SG, not when he's on his own. You're forgetting that we team with (arguably) some of the best PvPers on the server (but by no means all of them. If we were the best, we'd quit PvP because it would be boring).

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Well it seems we were having different discussions , you said when you were teamed together (in my eyes that meant just you and he) and thats all i was basing my reasoning on, not with your specific SG PVPers which is a different matter, dont forget such dynamics do not yet exist on the villain side. I also know CM triple stacks from one source but it doesnt help if i am floating above and attcking from a blind side like many sniping blasters do without the benefit of hide and stealth.

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Powernova is stalker fodder in Sirens

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Not when he's with me. The guy is clear-minded up to the ears. Seeing stalkers isn't a problem.

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Seeing me is more than being CM'd, Agent Matron is mostly in Sirens CMing the heroes and though it does make things trickier it isnt the equaliser it appears in the beginning, everything is about adapting and I chose a fly/ss combo for a reason . Powernova owns my Brute but when I have had the pleasure of finding him in Sirens he doesnt last long (I dont think the battle cry of "Kill Powernova" helps ) I dont play the lone stalker, I team and I team well with regular people who know how to play and use their powers

Oh and AS is not my main power

Something people I team with, both on the Hero and Villain sides in Sirens call, have noticed the fact that a lot of heroes only really seem to stick around when they outnumber the villains and are just having a splat fest. For example, on a number of occassions now heroes have been many and unbeatable due to team dynamics and tactics involved, so I send tells to reliable people and send a general Arena broadcast for reinforcements. They turn up we organise and we push the heroes back, then they all leave. This is the part I dont get, instead or pulling back and reorganising a lot of people just leave. I fail to see the fun they were getting from splatting people who are not a threat, surely a nice big even team battle royale is far more enjoyable. Villains conversly seem to be hardier in attitude and stick around despite poor odds.

Now I will say this is not the case with the regular PVP people, who either on the hero or villain side, will stick around for the fun and fighting, it just seems that many Heroes pop in for the easy kills and run the moment things turn against them

Most nights these days we have a lot of fun in Sirens Call and the people are fun, friendly and a pleasure to play with/against, just wish some people would realise that getting beaten is not the end of the fun.

I find EA awesome in PVP, the anti-tp and res to controller effects works wonders with my fly/SS combo and I can certainly more often than not get away. TP self is a faster and more relaible way to get out of trouble than fly and SS but I couldnt give up either of these in my PVP build

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on 1vs1 when they granite well there are issues. Plus on team fights allocating time for a granite brute while u getting hammered around is not that effective and u know it thats why u got Powernova and dont play innocent to me

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I guess I don't have any special tactics because vs. a granite I just sit in hover and stack holds until he gets held. Because of the amount of -fly I chuck around, they tend not to be able to fly up and smack me either.

Yeah, we're all addicted to SB+ID now. When I team with Powernova in PvP we're dangerously good.

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Powernova is stalker fodder in Sirens and hover while tormenting brutes is dangerous when I am about, I derive a certain amount of pleasure from impaling flyers (-fly) and watching them fall into the arms of agitated brutes

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Try finding a Dark Armor brute... I think you'll find you can down those pretty easily. I know I get that done to me rather often.

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I think anyone who has taken on Lady Fuya would disagree

Detoggler blasters are a brutes nemesis, regens only win out on my NRG/INV brute as my stamina will run out 1st. As for controllers/defenders, it takes a lot of holds stacking to pin him down.

Detoggle blasters are IMO the worst a brute can face especially if they jump from behind, detoggle then u get jummped by whoever else is out there.

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Did you actually read any of my posts? I have tried the PvP zones, and I enjoyed them. I was pleasantly surprised.

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None of my post was directed towards anyone in particular at all. If it wasnt relevant to you then it wasnt directed at you

Dear lord, this thread is getting out of hand in my opinion and everyone is going onver and over the same things. You dont like the PVP aspect then dont do it and there, everyone is happy now, to make assumptions based upon a very small experience seems a little presumptious to me though. Personally I cannot understand what people get out of RP at all, seems bizarre to me but i can respect the fact that other people do enjoy this, its not my bag, I have zero interest in it, good luck and happy times to all that do.

Simple fact if you dont like the PVP zones dont do it, but i would much prefer for people to have a decent go at it before listing negative sounding posts because ultimately you are lacking the experience and knowledge to make a well founded and balanced veiw.

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Was in Bloody tonight with my stalker great fun only lv 15 but the Heros didnt get me once. I was being a right royal pian in the bum I loved it when people had a go at me for stalking em.

Hero " are you gona come and fight me One on One are are you just gonna hide and attack me"

Me " Hmmmm I think I will continue to hide and attack you " I love it.


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I dont understand why people get annoyed and come out with this rubbish all the time, "you cant fight you just run and hide" and yet I kill tons I mean seriously are people so foolish they cant figure out the basis of the AT from the name? Yeah im going to 1 v 1 your regen scrapper, that makes perfect sense perhaps I should go to the PVP zones with my Brute demanding Empaths solo me

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For teh most part to the OP i'd try to go in with a team, that way ypu can learn as you go, I'm sure some of the long term PvP'ers would be more than glad to help you out and if you find storm/stalkers (whichever side your one i dont know) then ask said stalker, stormy or whatever what makes them work so well agains they will tell you, their happy talking about themselves

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Im moderately pleased with the way my stalker is shaping up, the fact that people seem to take great delights in putting him down is kind of flattering (litterally ) Will talk to anyone about it and its deficiencies

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You can also stay in the water as you can see stalkers moving in the water. Thats the last time I fight in the water no wonder the bloody heros wanted to fight there.

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I fly too

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Afraid not TG, if i get next to someone and activate AS and then they jump away they just get a time delayed impaling, the power is interuptable but not by moving once activated. I can also hit you whilst you are moving but this is trickier, only I need to be stationary to activate it. As for sound, I also negate that by having my spines out before i approach so my attack is silent.

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Regarding the AS...by interrupt i mean actually that u need to keep moving to interrupt the chance of being AS. Regarding the sound you are true but still nothing extra perception and AoE's dont solve....

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Ah sorry

As for movement, its quite a satisfying kill to stand in the path where a hero is running and when he comes past to click AS like mad, its hard to do but not impossible to tag a runner in this way

PBAOEs negate AS (untill a friendly Domminator/Corrupter hold you ) but I normally float negating the effectiveness of ground based ones such as scrappers normally have.

Yeah good show last night Archelon, I began to feel a little bad about killing you during your long hold animations so often, that is up until the point where you held me Not sure how you are slotted on your holds but grav seems to get me more than other holds, it only took about 3 stacked to hold me while earlier in the day I had literally 3 rows of holds/immobs/slows on me and was still moving

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If your a hero: kill any villain on sight. Those evil villains are debuffing our damage and defences and making it harder for us to fight, we need an edge.

If your a villain: Kill any hero on sight. Those bloody heroes are debuffing our damage and defences and making it harder for us to fight, we need to be able to splat em faster.


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Dont get damage debuffs in Sirens *edit* hmm it seems you do, I am sure it didnt used to ahve this function

One other tactic that I would say is frowned upon is to chase a hero into his hospital and AS him, this really is most unsporting and I only do it to my friends

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I could of course be wrong about this in pvp.

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You are wrong. AS has a certain time (short but is still there) which requires you to stand still in order for it to land. Move with ss or vertically up and you interrupt AS. Its the easiest thing to do ever. Also remember when pvp dont blast loud music from speakers cause you might want to hear that huge sound that come pre AS strike and is actually the best way to avoid it. Its extremely easy to avoid AS strikes like that.

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Afraid not TG, if i get next to someone and activate AS and then they jump away they just get a time delayed impaling, the power is interuptable but not by moving once activated. I can also hit you whilst you are moving but this is trickier, only I need to be stationary to activate it. As for sound, I also negate that by having my spines out before i approach so my attack is silent.

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yup...indeed..so if i had Acc SO's on my attacks would they work for spotting stalkers aswell as hiting more.

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Im afraid not, only powers that actually boost your perception will help you in this way.

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ultimately futile in my case, an experienced pvper will be well aware to such tricks and ready for them

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A rare breed indeed

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patience is something most (good) stalkers have so you may be in for a bit of a wait

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Even rarer.

With regards to bounty targets, dont normally pay to much attention to this. Normally go for the person who is being a pain in the [censored] or who has killed me.

Do you hunt in a team or solo? The only time you get an AS on me is if im being held. Even then you wont take me down

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I team, Im a social player and dont even have build up yet so cant even one shot defenders, controllers or blasters without insp (I can kill them with the follow up though)

Sadly you are on Union so cannot try to tag you with my stalker, only people i havent been able to AS are those whos toggle powers interfere with it (hurricane for example)

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i thought u went to bed...lol

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No i just needed a break, spent all day in Sirens playing against great heros with great villain teams, a top day and the way PVP should be but I needed to unwind for a bit before bed