Stalk_obot_EU

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Imagine, 2 scrappers and a tank facing 2 stalkers

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A stone tank with mud pots would upset the stalkers, 2 scrappers stay within the PBAoE. An Ice tank running perhaps chilling embrace (not sure on that one thou). A fire tank laying down burn I think it is, although my pref is for the stone tank. Can a Stalker one shot a stone tank with rooted and Granite armour on?

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I just heard a very horid tale that mud-pots and summit else have been tampered with....
Reports are unclear whether this was a nerf or what as I just caught the tail end of a convo tonight about todays patch.
I think perhaps with buildup and loadsa reds but TBH i think said tank would have to high HP =/


/e Bah humbug!

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Yes they need to be slotted with ACC now so it has killed off stone tanks one and only use in PvP now. It was not enought that we where slow as a dead snail now thay have taken the only usefull power we had in pvp away.

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I managed to AS a stone tank in Sirens tonight with mud pots running fairly easily, I dont think this is a good change at all.

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As everyone knows, a stalker is dependant on Hide and his critical attacks to be truly effective. Although I've lasted this long (Lvl 24), I've been thinking of ways to be even more powerful, and turn the tables on the heroes who use holds in PvP, and handle minions of 4+. It stuck me today that the Fear Power Pool might be helpful. At first, you can pull single minions away from lt's, placate, and AS. At best, when surrounded, you can make them "fear" you, giving your hide time to take over, and get another AS. Would this tactic work? I'll be going for a respec soon, and might see if I can work that tactic in.

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I was intending on getting fear on my stalker

Drones can now see through stealth and hide which is fine and i dont think people should be killed in the hospital but in Sirens call villain base its still as exposed as ever and heros can easily camp inside the base

Sadly mobs seem to ahve uber perception, once they see u it takes a hell of a long run back before they dont see you again which is rubbish imo, they should be just like heroes in PVP, you go hidden again they cant see u. Sadly the same dynamics are not in the pve game and it does make lvling a solo stalker a bit tricker than other ATs.

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Great news I also see in todays Test server patch notes

"Police Drones and Arbiter Drones can now see Stealthed entities and enemy players. "

There was already a drone inside the hospital when I was last there.

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This is a bad mistake IMO, sirens is about getting bounty too and a villain or hero going afk next to a drone can ruin other peoples bounty.

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Fair point well made.

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It's like the "Never Ending Story" except in thread form.

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Sad isnt it, not sure why people are just starting new threads when the old ones are still there

As symposium said above, there are plenty of ATs and AT builds that need different powersets and tactics to tackle.

You say you have a Stalker yourself, I ask what lvl and if you have indulged in PVP in Sirens call. Given the verbose nature of the comments coming at one particular AT I think its moderatly hypocritical to make such comments without having played both sides on an equal lvl footing as I have done, then again thats just me and my own ethics.

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1: Its a good thing, I hate idiots who attack me in the hos/base.

2: It sucks, I like it when people I know attack me in the base area..makes it interesting.

As you can see I am of split opinions.

Stalk- I thought you did it because you are too lazy to walk back to the villains base

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Its true, I often run in hero base for a quick trip back to villain base to spend my bounty but I do like to say hello to my friends by flying above them, build up falling on them and ASing straight away

I will stress I only do this to my friends and not very often

oh and autobrawl in the base helps reduce AS in base massively

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Just as a thought, might have worked better if in each instance the number of villains or heroes entering was capped?

Eg 100 total people in zone.

50 heroes and 50 villains. Would probably have made for a much nicer fight.

"I'm sorry Fic your number 51, could you go to counter 2 please"

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Stop talking sense

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"Police Drones and Arbiter Drones can now see Stealthed entities and enemy players. "

There was already a drone inside the hospital when I was last there.

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Yes this will help a bit as last night in Sirens call after the event, was a few stalkers i seen actually in the Heroes hopital. I had just died and returned to hospital and came down the lift and i saw a stalker standng in the actuall hospital at the door.

The drone did not zap him but when i said i could see him in broadcast he ran away.

Not very sporting for stalkers/stealthed foes to be in the heroes base, they need to make these areas really secure and try to discourage base camping as much as possible.

Hope when this goes live that it has the desired effect of ridding base camping to a degree.

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I agree, i find stalkers in hero base distasteful and unsporting and before anyone says they see me in there, yes I occasionally do a dive from the skies to AS someone but they are my friends I certainly dont do it to new people or people I dont know

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I think I would be slightly offended if no stalkers atacked me at all in pvp, at least when they are attacking me I know where they are

Besides now Ive gone upa few lvls I like them to get close so I can smash them with melee powers (which are better than my sonics..stupid powersets..me a blaster and the most damage I do is with a punch..) , I might still be pvp fodder for the higher lvl chars (but happy fodder) but I can still maim the careless,stupid and weak

Thats partialy why I did so well in the recent sirens callinvasion thing...over confidant villains would immob me,get in close..and then get hurt

Its a game, have fun,be nice..and turn off your defences so I can get some pvp rep points

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Always a pleasure to see you in Sirens and you are certainly much more of a threat now Spurr Its nice to see your progress from missing everything in sight to actually stacking really annoying sonic debuffs, they are more a cause for concern than you think.

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Tender spot? not really as its not applicable to me, I just think its narrow minded and ignorant to issue any kind of blacket statement regarding anyone or anything as you cannot possibly know the people involved to such a degree. I consider such blanket statements bigoted.

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Would you be more comfortable if a labelled PvP novices as "stalker-fodder"? That was the general tone I've been picking up - along the lines of, "if you find stalkers a problem then you obviously don't know what you're doing. I never suggested that stalkers went out of their way to hunt novices, only that their success rate would rise sharply if their target was a Pvp-noob.

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No, I would be happier if you respected people as individuals before attaching your labels to them. And by coming up with your own idea of remaning the Stalker AT to "n00b-hunter" you DID suggest that stalkers go out of their way to hunt novices, as indeed you suggest that I indulge in this practice by suggesting that you hit a nerve with a crass generalisation.

Innigo, I go out of my way to avoid labeling people be they new to the whole game, pvp or anything. I fail to see a reason for it. New Stalkers are fodder for heroes as they dont know how to utilize their alt, aside from the usual suspects in Sirens whenever a new stalker comes in they face a very stiff learning curve as they gets bashed back to the hospital with alarming regularity. Perhaps this is why stalkers become an issue as they die so much they learn to adapt damn fast, as indeed anyone can.

At NO point whatsoever have I said anything along the lines of "if you cant beat stalkers you dont know what you are doing" I offer advice on both sides in a reasoned and objective manner.

Speaking of being objective, what lvl stalker do you have Innigo? Given that you are remarkably vocal on this issue I am presuming you do in fact have a stalker of approximately lvl 30 with whom you can make these statments with. I personally would find it hypocritical to make comments such as you have without having the knowledge or experience to back it up, of course this is just me and my own ethics.

I would respect your comments a lot more if they were not written in an aggresive, argumentative and confrontational manner, its not even nescessarily what you have said but the way you say it.

I played both sides and at the height of it there were at least 300 heroes spread out over the 3 Sirens Call zones and only 120 villains. The lack of numbers and dynamics were annoying but the server performace was pathetic IMO

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and stormies ruin some peoples experience and regens do for other blah, blah, blah, cry, cry, cry. Plenty of build screw up my stalker and kill it in seconds, I dont whinge because i know I am strong in other areas.

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Where are all the threads about regens and trollers ruining ppls PvP experience?

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I didnt say leave it alone, but the fact is the game devs are so obsesses with tweaking as opposed to fixing the bugs things will get changed and we can do nothing about it, check all the nerfs in the past and ED. The devs dont really listen to us, if they did ED wouldnt ahve happened or would ahve been roled back.

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Regardless what they say ED was about the PvP aspect of the game and I can see why. I can only really speak about regen scrappers but if PvP was going on without ED I can tell you my toon would be almost unkillable. With dull pain running permanently, fast heal and health six-slotted and a big ole Reconstruction in the wings. It'd take three stalkers to bring me down, no tank could touch me. Brutes? Nothing to worry about there.
And that, frankly, wouldn't be right. So whilst the devs might be claiming that ED was nothing to do with PvP (Of course they wouldn't consider lying to the majority of their customers who only PvE to prevent an outcry that the game was being modified because of some game aspect they don't use, right?) the timing and the fact that an awful lot of toons became a lot more squishy suggest otherwise.

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fact is whining about it does nothing so why dont people suck it up and try to enjoy the game?

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See posting concering attempt to shame into silence.

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As for stalkers ruining the game? not nearly as much as incredibly rude people who get upset at being killed and sending offensive and abusive tells.

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They are rubbish, but then you can always chose to ignore them.

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OR people branding ALL players on one AT "noob hunters"

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Did I hit a tender spot
That's how the AT is coming across, and not just to me. Now stop whining about it and suck it up

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Tender spot? not really as its not applicable to me, I just think its narrow minded and ignorant to issue any kind of blacket statement regarding anyone or anything as you cannot possibly know the people involved to such a degree. I consider such blanket statements bigoted.

Controller posts whould be here if the stalker wasnt, I know my controller is ludicrously strong on pvp and i should imagine when im on my own and have squeezed the life out of a villain over a period of 2-10 minutes depending on the AT, they would consider their pvp experience tainted.

All my posts ahve said the same thing, try to think about PVP, its not the same as PVE, think, talk and have some fun. None of my post have been inflamatory or argumentative. As I have said before, I will talk people through my ATs weaknesses and how best to counter me and help them ease into the PVP game. If someone is new I tell people to go easy on them and we rotate, there is a bad element in all aspecs of the game but I and the rest of the regulars in Sirens do what we can to have fun and make it fun for others.

Beats me why there are so many agressive and argumentative posts for the sake of it, if people are so agressive towards things I doubt that PVP is for them as they will be fuming unless they are winning all the time.

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As I have said numerous times I believe any toon versus any other toon should have a chance, even if that chance is nothing more than just getting away.
Anyone want to jump in an explain to me why this is such an unreasonable viewpoint?

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because its not how the game is engineered or structured. Holds, stuns and immobs would need to go to allow a possibility of escape and as for a battle, an obvious point is almost any melee character Vs an empath. Idealogically speaking there isnt anything wrong with your sentiment but the change in game dynamics and engineering involved is astronomical, it isnt feasably possible on this game, speaking as a developer myself. An entirely new game would ahve to be created for your sentiment to be realised

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Oh please. There's a problem with stalkers. You can pretned there isn't if you want, but they are spoiling a lot of ppls PvP experience. Maybe not yours, maybe not TGs and bully for you both. but that doesn't, as MUCH as you try to make it so, take away from the fact that a lot of people are having problems with stalkers. Accusing them as whining and moaning is coming across as nothing less than an attempt to shame them into silence.

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and stormies ruin some peoples experience and regens do for other blah, blah, blah, cry, cry, cry. Plenty of build screw up my stalker and kill it in seconds, I dont whinge because i know I am strong in other areas.

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No more selfish than "I don't mind it, leave it alone."

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I didnt say leave it alone, but the fact is the game devs are so obsesses with tweaking as opposed to fixing the bugs things will get changed and we can do nothing about it, check all the nerfs in the past and ED. The devs dont really listen to us, if they did ED wouldnt ahve happened or would ahve been roled back.

fact is whining about it does nothing so why dont people suck it up and try to enjoy the game?

As for stalkers ruining the game? not nearly as much as incredibly rude people who get upset at being killed and sending offensive and abusive tells. OR people branding ALL players on one AT "noob hunters"

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They might be for a solo player (your arguments are justified), but having a team in PvP zone is not an unreasonable demand in my opinion. And I feel that is the most important factor.

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It's NOT a matter of having a team. I KEEP trying to stress this point, it's not having a team with the RIGHT skillset.
I mean the PvPers seem to behave like "well if you're not teamed with someone without XXX buffs then that's your own damn fault".
Given the TINY number of players that are generally on there it's not only possible, but almost probable that no one will have the right set of skills.
Couple that to not being able to buy temp powers and then you've got problems.

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PVP is what you make of it, there are those on both sides who throw themselves at overwhelming odds just for the hell of it and ahve a great time messing about in that manner. You can have a great time with the suckiest of PVP powersets so long as you have the right attitude.

You get the situation VERY often in Sirens when a bunch of conrollers come in and lay down some unassailable pbaoes and I wish there were more Doms in the villain side. The team dynamics for villains is MUCH worse than it is for heroes at the minute given that most are still tweaking their characters, lvling and getting through bugged respecs.

If you go into PVP upset that someone else doesnt ahve the powers to amke u unbeatable you wont ahve a good time, same as if you are relying on temp powers.

Defiant either my stalker or my grav/rad troller, I am leaning more towards my troller as spamming holds and debuffs is easier in lag than precisions kills

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It wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the fact that Stalkers outnumber all the other villain ATs in SC at the moment.

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Expect this to be permanent. The stalker is basically the only villain AT suitable for PvP.

Brute - No time to build rage
Corruptor - A fancy name for a defender
Dominator - A controller, only less
Mastermind - No punchevoke on pets

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Tell that to Lady Fuya and the other regular villain pvpers who are not stalkers

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That's no doubt true but there is no other way for a stalker to play. They can't stand toe to toe with any other sort of melee type character, they can't cope with ranged attacks. I saw them described earlier in this thread as one trick ponies, that just about sums them up nicely.

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It wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the fact that Stalkers outnumber all the other villain ATs in SC at the moment.

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They dont, there are not that many in Sirens Call on defiant at any time. Also you need to bear in mind that they are a new AT and people are trying them out, there used to be loads of Masterminds untill all the heros went straight for them and squished them.

I really dont get why people are always moaning about things, if you are moaning you are not going to ahve a good time, why not relax and have fun, so what if you die you lose nothing, you dont like it, just go. There are plenty of heroes and villains whos powers bug me and I wish they didnt ahve them but I dont moan about it, I deal with it and enjoy my game. Perhaps if people spent less time writing moaning posts, casting offensive tags at everyone who plays one particlar AT and more time playing PVP they may enjoy it more.

So many posts here are basically saying "I dont like this, change it to make me happy" which is a fundamentally selfish view.

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I agree entirely, they do one thing well and the rest not so good as anything else and there isnt anything wrong with that. Seems to me people are moaning about them as they are new and dont know how to interact with them dynamically, most people seem to think they are overpowered scrappers as opposed to a stealthy squishy.

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I disagree. Ppl see the one shot and death and wonder, while they get a good look at the ground, "Why was that fun?"
I've been thinking about it and I've come to a conclusion, stalkers should be renamed "n00b hunters". Based on everything I've read and experienced it's the more inexperienced PvPer who form the staple diet of the stalker. Which is unfortunate, as someone's early experiences of PvP should not be a faceplant from an unseen foe, not if PvP is to gain popularity.
All just my opinion.

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I try to talk to each every person who comes into Sirens call and have had the pleasure of one of my AS, I go to great lengths to get villain chat turned on and talk things through with them advising as and where nessesary, I do all that I can to make PVP in defiant Sirens Call inclusive to all. As a result there is usually a nice friendly enviroment there and everyone has fun be they a "n00b" or not. Of course you get the imbeciles but in my experience these are generally from scrappers (in my personal experience) who think they should be kings of pvp and get annoyed when they die, send insulting and derogatory tells to people withour even having their own villain chat activated. If people start to be nasty and insulting on tells and broadcast they really shouldnt expect anything but a faceplanting.

On defiant, in Sirens Call, none of the regular stalkers will "n00b" hunt, we all chat, take a few kills and leave them alone while we rotate through the ranks, indeed there are many very experienced PVP players who can testify I go to great lengths to get them as opposed to a easy kill.

I feel such generalisations as renaming an AT, indeed any AT something as inherantly insulting as "n00b hunters" is insulting and unwaranted and such thoughts will do nothing to increase your pleasure in PVP. Perhaps everyne should try to relax, communicate and try to go into PVP zones expecting to die but to have some fun with the generally nice people in the zones.

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The problem with Stalkers is they are over specialised. They do one thing really well - Assasins Strike. Take that away and what have you got left? An underpowered scrapper.

Masterminds and Stalkers should be appreciated for bringing some new ideas and diversification to the game which IMHO has been a long time overdue.

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I agree entirely, they do one thing well and the rest not so good as anything else and there isnt anything wrong with that. Seems to me people are moaning about them as they are new and dont know how to interact with them dynamically, most people seem to think they are overpowered scrappers as opposed to a stealthy squishy.

For which character? My stalker uses Fly and SS

Running away is just a natural reaction that has been brought about by the dynamics of PVE play, you die, you get debt so you try to run. There are many times when it would be more prudent to let yourself die than run and have to rest and yet I would say the vast majority of people on hero and villain sides try to run.

Its instinct not common sense

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BTW, can my glowy hands be seen in PvP?


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not while hidden

I find spines best due to the ranged attack that has -fly and can be the bane of people who use PBAOEs

That said EM is pretty damn useful.

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Stalkers
Stalkers have two things goin for them. Invis and high damage. Remove 1 of these things and they suck. Invisibility is easily countered (clear mind, stacked tactics, lucks and so on).
The devs should think really hard before making damage changes.

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Indeed, tonight while messing around in sirens call my stalker who has racked up well over 600 pvp points could not defeat an empath without hide (it was switched off we were running a fight club ), Cat Girl kicked my [censored] good Anyone who says stalkers are overpowered is wrong, they are a hard build to play both in PVP and PVE. Controllers are by far and away more overpowered in PVP than any other alt, I can make this statement as when I dusted mine off he was insanely powerful in sirens, I think following a slow crushing death from my controller (or anyone elses) and the people who complain about stalkers would be praying for a nice quick AS to end the misery.