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Unfortunately Kaatrina78, the people on these boards( the ones that are left) have been through all this before... about 5( maybe 6.. I am tired and cant count today) issues of it. The nail in the coffin being pvp 2.0 2 issues back. I think you have genuine intentions. Players with much more experience than you( or me)have been politicking, suggesting, posting numbers,etc etc etc for a very long time. Most finally gave up.
My point: You didn't suggest anything new or different that hasn't been stated before in another Op. Whether acclaimed as a great idea or shot down as a bad idea . In short, Been there- done that- had this discussion 50 billion times and none of it makes a damn because the dev's do as they do with little regard for player feedback when it comes to pvp. Unless you're( understood you) a pve'er that MIGHT be enticed to TRY pvp.
My sincere apologies if I burst your bubble.
Quote:Originally Posted by Kaatrina78
I'm done here. Only a few of you actually read the original post, had the research done, and intelligently backed up any statement regarding. I thank you, and did not have to quote you. -
Quote:Originally Posted by _23X_
I have to agree with snow globe. Players that already have the badges that are being reduced shouldn't in any way be recognized or shown to have anything that players who didn't achieve the same badge requirements.
If they were to add new badges that were hard to get, well that wouldn't be fair at all would it?
After all they paid the same monthly fee they should get the same badges.
They paid the same 15.00 and have the same 168 hours a week to play as any other player that pays 15.00.
If I understand this post and SnowGlobes then even though playerA paid 15.00 but chose to play 40 hours of a week and accomplish the "Ungodly reqs". PlayerB chose to use their 15.00 and play for 10 hours a week yet playerA should get the same reward as playerB after having invested 8 fold the time for the same badge? No offense... this is why we have pvp 2.0 and the merit scaling with tf/sf/trial's. Why ? WHY does playerB that invests 10 hours a week in the game feel entitled to the same reward as a playerA that invests 40?
Sure .. both players pay the same 15.00.Both have the same amount of time to invest in the game or not as they choose. It's 15.00 .Not a human rights issue.
This is what will be the end or possibly a new age for this game.Depends which way the pendulum may swing. If Cox is able to garner enough new subs then the game will stay afloat. The vet population in the playerA group is steadily decreasing. Player A's are the ones that lead hami raids( among many other things) and provide the foundation for community activities. Player B's show up for the ride. If a game doesnt have a good mix of both it's sort of"not fun".On the other hand the playerB's in most cases dont really know what they missed so getting rid of the playerA's might be a good marketing plan.Granted if you can get enough playerB's to 6 month subscribe .. it's a BRILLIANT marketing plan.
Ymmv. I simply voiced an idea.That's all. GLHF!
Editing to add: Alot of people earned the badges legitimately and through no "exploitive" behavior. Your use of an "exploit" as an example for all badges with high reqs is out of line,SnowGlobe.
If they were to add new badges to meet the reqs of the old badges that wouldn't be fair. **** the people that got em the hard way. Those players should have been smart enough to realize they could wait a bit and get something for nothing,huh?Kinna like government cheese. Dayum that stuff tastes great!!!
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Quote:Originally Posted by PunchinJudy
Sure that's great for those of us who have already met those original requirements. Free badges for no extra work. But, I promise you, this will never happen. It defeats the purpose for reducing the badge requirements in the first place. The idea is to move away from grindy badges.
I honestly can't see them introducing new badges with the old (grindy) requirements right after reducing the requirements for badges of the same type.
Old adage" Is the glass half full rather than half empty?" Getting an extra badge for " no extra work" is a false statement.Old badgers already went out of their way to complete much higher requirements. I'd hardly call that "no extra work". Why SHOULDN'T those players be rewarded?New badgers have lower requirements for the SAME badge. My apologies but I really fail to see who would be getting "something for no extra work" unless you are referring to new badgers.Old badgers paid their dues and new badgers get the badges required for accolades more easily with an option to attain the badges tied to the old requirements. How is that not a " win.. win"? Both player groups get an ingame reward and a kudo's for time invested.
I understand the dev's are moving away from "grind" but that doesn't change the fact that many people did, indeed,"grind".I feel that time spent should be recognized.I am one player. YMMV.
I can sort of understand that the idea would not have merit because if it was implemented then here we would go again with things like the balancing of pvp and merits earned through time. Because here it would extend to that learning curve and time investment to( God Forbid!!) badges. Why should the casual player have as much of an advantage as the player that's ingame 10 more hours a week than they? In my opinion... the player who logs in 5 hours a week should not feel slighted that another player who logs in 20 hours a week has something they do not. -
OOO wow.... with GR I wonder if it will be possible to get the accolades from both sides? THAT would be cool!!
On another note. I was thinking( bad idea, I know...). I am all for the requirement reductions and 100% support the changes. However, the players who have spent an extraordinary amount of time procuring badges under the old system have every right to feel a bit disgruntled. Having pointed that out. I'd like if they implemented new badges based on old achievements. Example: Old badge for rikti monkies that required 10,000 monkey defeats could be made a new badge titled 'Banana's".Thus, "zookeeper" is available with the lower requirements and " banana's" an extra reward to those who DID have to complete the heavier requirements.In addition, "Banana's" could be obtained by fulfilling the old requirements so not exclusive to older players.The monkey badge is just one example. Heck? Make the last tier damage debt badge named "Bankrupt for Life", the damage badge "Living Dead". Try to make each badge name correspond with the insane requirements.
Toldya it was a bad idea for me to "think"!! I have no idea the resources needed to implement an idea like this. Just having a moment of wishful thinking. -
Boycott purchasing pvp io's. The prices will drop eventually. It would take a concerted effort. Thus, never will happen. Has about the same probability of success as drops reworked for streakbreaker.
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Aiden goes nicely with Ethan and Ian for a trio of boys
John Ivan is a solid sounding name. Just call him Ivan instead of J.J. for John junior.
Big gratz.. this is truly amazing. Keira( sp?) is gonna have an Uncle younger than she. I am (almost) jealous! Be safe and take some rest time for yourself and number 4 when the others are in school. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Krya
Depends again on level. At 6 this is true, but with the new damage buff you can kill even an EB outside of domination if you have a strong slotted hold, you just have to remember to reapply your hold as often as possible.
To be more clear. As a low level dominator dealing with an EB it is in your best interest to use your st hold. You're inspi tray should have reds and blues. Hold the EB, eat some reds................attack the EB with st damage while recycling st hold to keep it off you.... reapply hold... eat more reds.. apply st attack... Repeat this cycle til its dead.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
Even with the new Domination, if you are not taking on a Boss, EB or AV with Domination running, you should probably think about retreating once you wear him down a bit, and build some back up by wailing on minions. Of course, depending on the AV, taking that much time will likely let him regenerate back to full, wasting your effort. But meh...
PToD cancel out the boost to status effects benefit, but the main thing is you're immune to his status effects. I made the mistake of trying to take on an EB the other day with no Domination, my logic was that I had the damage now, I should at least be able to hold out until I can bring it up. His knockback was so bad I was on the floor in seconds. I came back with Domination, expecting a tough fight, and he was a pushover. You wouldn't think it would make that much difference, just being able to hold my ground and keep moving, but it did.
Here's Jade Dragon, the resident dom expert, funny I don't see a single dom in that sig he//she so proudly sports.It knows everything about every dom set and play nuance though. Bow to the master mouth !!!!!!! -
That was true before the changes. The revamp is irrelevant. L2P.
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I'll be a ref. I hate you all equally. No doubt. Thats as unbiased as it gets!!
Hurry up and get it goin before this sub expires like my main. -
Quote:Originally Posted by SinnerSaint
No worries Southern, because apparently you couldn't comprehend my message. I never said you were participating. But since you have replied to this thread so often, you are involved.
At least my participation is on topic with the event . Can you say the same? Nope. Don't dismantle this event in typical Guardian Cookie Eating,CareBear fashion.
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Sorry to disappoint ya,Saint. Apparantly you can't comprehend a sign up roster. I am not participating. Do you see @Southern listed anywhere except in the examples for league signups? Nope.
Its hard enough to host events of this nature and get them going in the first place. I commend Kool for going to the trouble to try and get the league going. I posted regarding ref's because recruiting more people to police a league on a smallish server sounds like a grand idea in theory but is a bit more difficult to implement when you get down to actually being able to recruit nonbiased ref's for the league. In addition to nonbiased ,ref's also need to have done arena matches enough to be able to recognize when a team is breaking a rule. Example: Being able to recognize the use of a tier 3 inspi vs a tier 1 based on the number generated after use..The fact of the matter is if your team is facing a team that your team thinks might be willing to do anything to win in the above instance you can request an inspi swap prior to the match. No ref needed for that,huh? Reffing isn't as simple as showing up and watching a match. Thats just one example. I could list more. Bottomline is that if the participants use common sense 9 times out of 10 a ref is not needed ( please refer to the commonsense solution of an inspis swap).
My understanding is this league is intended to be a fun activity for pvp with minimum hassle.If the ref thing is that big of a deal than put it up for a league vote. Ask all registered participants what they prefer. If the majority wants refs then put off the start of the league to find some ref's.If not.... GO.FIGHT! HAVE FUN!!
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jade_Kerns
Hey kool whens the redo of our pvp league, also I would advise a 3rd party judge in each match.
Why? You guys//gals can't police yourself for a good time?
Kool has gone out of his way to make a venue for some fun pvp on the server. If you can't show up with a sportsmanlike attitude and have fun then don't sign up. If you are signing up it's pretty clear you pvp. Guardian is a really small server with an even smaller pvp community. If you can't look at the teams listed and know who is gonna be an ******* and who isn't? You are a moron. When you fight the ******* teams be prepared. The point is to have fun and actually be able to pvp against something coordinated rather than the same 5 braindead douches in RV every day. There is no need for a stupid ref in every match. Thats what" printscreen" is for with a score. If you don't like that a ref isn't gonna be in your match then DON'T sign up. Duh.....
On the other hand if you want a ref in every match rather than sign up why dont you volunteer to ref? Problem solved both ways
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Final post from me on this bs.... you all heave a collective sigh of relief
1. Personal popularity on the boards doesn't daunt me now and didn't daunt me 4 years running. Dream on.
2. I think it's great there are new typers on the boards and new players out there dominating!
That said:
I am going to do a conglemerative address in a few sentences, I hope.
I think a big problem on the dom boards is you have camp A and camp B with a sometimes camp C. I am not going to assign differentitations beyond A,B,C. I don't care to type a wall of text. Sorry.
I type as an A camp and expect the B and C guys to get my point because they played doms as long as I have and understand exactly what the hell I am pointing out.Fact is that so many of B and C require backtracking to even be on the same page that the limited time many campA posters has gets pretty much lost in frustration. In addition many old posters who in my opinion should be in camp A are in camps b and C as far as the "playing a dom " curve goes. Please refer to Lilli's above post regarding what team buff had to do with recharge. I know these fella's have good intentions. I now understand they just never "got it".
Dom damage buffs prior to revamp were easy to me and pretty straightup. The bigger your team the easier to hit dom1. The higher your recharge as a dominator and the bigger your team the easier to sustain Dom2 throughout the whole encounter.Add a /kin buff and sustain dom3 for a brief time and continually maintain DOM2 with a dom3 overlap throughout the whole encounter.When I stated dom's had a damage buff that surpassed the revamp in my prior post thats what I was referring to. With the revamp a consistent damge level of a perma 2 is not feasible beyong consistent damage buffs( ie: a /pain corr on the team or some other substitute for that thing).
Unfortunately I type based on my play experience. Even before I had my first permadom I knew what I was making. I knew her potential.I apologize for expecting the boards to have had that same experience.
Doms have been buffed in pvp to a small extent. Pvp is dying anyway but it was a rare scenario in that venue to maintain a consistent dom2 and 3 overlap prior to the revamp anyway. All anyone could consistently maintain was a dom1 and now doms get that out of the box.Small buff.
Dominator pve performance as far as flat out damage took a hit for any dominator built with minimum perma rech and accustommed to running with 5 other players.Doms with 212% rech in a team of 5 with a sb easily maintained perma2 the whole way through. Whether farming, , doing missions or doing sf'//trial's. Doms built with the minimum 150% maintained a perma1 with a 2 overlap.
I apologize for not being more clear.
This next parts for Hack's referring to maybe I only play dom's.
Kamikaze Kate sm//ela brute lvl 50
Druscilla Demonheart dm//fire brute lvl 50
Killer4hire ss//fire brute lvl 50
Southern Hottie sm//fire tank lvl 50
Femme Fatalle fire//psi dom lvl 50
Darkworld Thorn plant //thorn dom lvl 50
Forgotten Bride fire//fire dom lvl 50
Penelope Prissypants grav//ice dom lvl 50
Besa De Muerta em//regen stalker lvl 50
Clarisse dark//kin corr lvl 50
Southern Charmer ice//therm corr lvl 50
Cosmic Chill son//cold corr lvl 50
Georgia Peach elec//kin corr lvl 50
Southern Comfort elec//therm corr lvl 50
Fatal Flaire fire//kin troller lvl 50
Dolly Doom fire //rad troller lvl 50
Southern Sunshine fire//em blaster lvl50
I could list more but those are the ones I enjoyed playingthe most. I didnt even put in my defenders or scrappers.If I were really as elitist and hc as some intimate I'd list over 50 lvl50's by now.I know people that quad box and have 100's of 50's. Sorry.. all I ever did was dual box and this game isn't my life. That's why when things I enjoy get pulled out from under me over and over I get so irritated. OOoops*wink*.
You all need to lighten up and realize that in this game many times because you want things to be so does not make those things so. I think it's great if the revamp gets more people playing dominators. I am saddenned that the thing that I loved about dominators has been removed. I am saddenned that what was in the long run better than what is now and new dominators will NEVER KNOW what they missed. Yes.. I am pissed that a playstyle I enjoyed is now gone.
You would be too.
Promised this was the end and it is. Carry on doms and have a ton of fun ;D I do apologize for making peoples blood pressure surge. I HONESTLY relish the thought of Talen having a corranary reading the forums but thats a private fantasy!! Har!!
I think most poster's have good intent. Some do not but the dom boards has pretty much always been full of genuine individuals.Camps A,B,C make communication VERY hard. Have fun people! Namaste'. Namaste' means " the divine in me honors the divine in thee". Go. Play.Have fun!
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There are few reasons to take DS for pve. Many times your team mates will not know what the hell you just did anyway.It's sort of like wormhole in that team mates either get it or they don't get it. The time it takes to explain the use of either power pretty much negates eithers effectiveness on a team that JUST doesn't get it. Keep it copacetic . You can use both and out maneuver your dumb team which is basically you soloing whatever is going down or use neither and try to explain what you might want to do the next mob and see how it goes. If you only pve I wouldn't bother with DS.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Liliaceae
You'll need to give a reference for an outrageous claim like this.
The only thing that changes with team size is how quickly the domination bar fills, and that's still there. Dominators were getting a bonus in PvP to account for the fact that the Domination buff could be difficult to leverage. This bonus was not a damage buff, it was built into the powers.
Wish I could ,Lilli. Unfortunately all of that has been purged. You could likely still find it in patch notes or even that thread that was in this forums accidently. Remember that thread? You complained that it was still listed here yet the "Dominator Issue" thread you compiled somehow didnt make the forum migration.
Either way I don't give a good ******* anymore and am not going to spend time digging for things that have been erased or lost. I was here. I played it. So were you. I know what was and what was not. I have absolutely nothing to prove.
You can pick my statement apart all you like in typical forumite fashion. Fact is that the work the dev's had previously done on dominator's to bring them up to par was embraced by the revamp and then discarded with noone the wiser.You sort of amaze me,Lilli. You have been here almost as long as I.I don't buy into you weren't aware of what the earlier dom fix entailed.You know? That one almost a few years before the revamp and the removal of the "Jekyl //Hyde" feel. Kinna hard to miss that booger,huh?
I find your amnesia reprehensible. I find the fact that you advocated the absolute, complete nuances of the old dom playstyle changed disgusting. Pot meet kettle.
Anyho.. this conversation was more likely something for private pm's rather than a thread in a forum.
If the changes eventually are positive for the longevity of dominator players in the game then mission accomplished.I hope that is the case. Carry on and have fun no matter what AT you play
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Quote:Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
It's also falsely self-martyred. I don't see Ditzy crusading to rollback buffs to Moment of Glory, buffs to Temperature protection, buffs to Dark Melee, buffs to melee damage ranges, etcetera, etcetera.
Fact is, it's only homogenization and bad when it pulls something back from being overpowered.
And if someone spends five years doing something they seem to hate, it tells me what they really like is complaining.
This from the fella that threw a little hissy fit over his negative forum rep. Waaa.. waaa.
I'll answer your assumption regarding 5 years of self matrydom simply because most of your posts tell me you like to make ASSumptions that are typically incorrect whether in focusing on an individual player or matters to do with the game dynamic,Talen. In short, I very much enjoyed COH for many years. Lately it's a bit more difficult to see through "rose colored glasses" everytime any ingame issue is addressed.You are so far off the mark it's absolutely ludicrous.What else is new?
I expressed my playing experience and my opinion as any player has the right to do. Whether or not said experience and opinion are in accordance with the "popular" flavor on the boards at this time is irrelevant.
Anyway!! Cheers to past , present and future dominator's! Fight the good fight and have much fun!
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Quote:Originally Posted by MutantX_7
Aye there's the rub!
Sorry to chime in rather randomly, but I think this right here may shine some light on something.
When we (the players) look at things that are given to us we look at them in the here and now, meanwhile the Devs have to look at them for the whole picture (the now and the future). Just because something functions this way now (in the grand scheme of things) doesn't mean that it will necessarily be the same later on.
While Dom popularity may not increase a whole lot right now (seems like redside population is even lower then before), we may see a huge increase in Dom popularity once GR is out. I know I personally can't stand controller's not because I don't like control, I don't like buffing/debuffing, so a Dominator is the perfect AT for me to play, however I just can't get into playing redside, so for me a Hero Dom will be even more perfect for me. YMMV, but I think we need to see the whole thing revealed before we can make any hard judgements about the effect one way or another of success. (You can talk til you're blue in the face about the hard numbers of the changes to powers however).
I have been here since release for both COH and COV. Your sunnyside view of " we need to see the big picture and have faith" is lost on me . I've had faith for 5 ******* years only to see everything I enjoy playing systematically torn down and homogenized.I have stuck around for five ******* years having "faith". At the same time watching the forum loudmouths get their way.. AGAIN, AGAIN, and AGAIN.
The thing the devs don't realize is the selfsame players they penalize with EVERY nerf ( whether it be to an AT or an ACTIVITY) are the players that keep this game going by promoting community functions that a "casual" couldn't even begin to fathom organizing.
I am aveteran player and clearly not "casual". I am also a player in the minority because I min/max ANY build I create( not just dominators).I am in the minority as well because my voice of dissention and protest to the decisions on game mechanic are overridden by the "casual".My play style is considered" elitist" therefore my opinion or game play experience does not matter. The opinions and play experience of people with half the playtime logged as myself or my gaming friends is not relevant because we at one point enjoyed pvp, we DID BASE RAIDS, WE RAN EVERY TF//SF/TRIAL in this game so fast the casual player didn't know how the hell we did it or what the hell we did. What happened? Massive cries for " the game needs balance!!" from players that didnt have the cognitive ability to figure out a game or the time to invest in resaearching builds or encounters. What else happenned? ANyone with a brain gets nerfed and the encounters beyond the comprehension of the "casual" player get removed. Why do you all think the blatant activities in AE are allowed? Because the majority of players with a brain that gave a ratsass about fast lvls or gear quit doing the activities to acquire altogether. The devs had to throw all the newies something or suffer a loss.There arent alot of people around anymore that run game content for gain much less take the time to teach new players the score and whats needed for 200 merits in under 2.5 hours. So the devs threw the newies and "casuals" a bone with AE.
Sorry but I am not waiting around for the big picture AGAIN.I know many others that arent either. Nothing short of THE BIG RED BALL and server wide instanced pvp like they have in CO would keep me around. I am a small loss. Every person has a network. Every person in the network has a network. Eventually the new subs won't be able to keep up with the friends of the friend that unsubbed.Especially with new games on thehorizon.
You all can sit here and suggest about dom's til your blue in the face.One reason the revamp didn't work out as planned is because the earlier dominator buffs were completely overlooked in the initial buff formula.I mean c'mon people dom damage buffs on a team was already scaled to increase based on team number. OOOps they forgot about that and didnt factor it in at the initial buff release and subsequently took it out in a patch a few weeks later but labeled the change as a pvp change in patch notes. Another thing I find funny is not one person following the Castle fanclub that published damage tables even factored that modifier in.Why? Because most likely noone making tables was even aware that particular little mechanic existed.THEY are all new dom players or people that wanted to play a dom"maybe" and saw an opportunity to chime in and feel important in a game.
Sorry to be so longwinded. Sorry I don't agree with much posted on the boards anymore. Frosticus? Jade Dragon is never going to shaddup no matter how succintly you counter him//her. Why? Because every time you type he//she gets the wrong point because he//she hasn't played doms or any AT like you have. Therefore you need to REALLY back up when explaining so you two are both on the same page. No offense, Jade. In addition , if you type something not fathomable by experience then you'll get others like WeatherbyGood etc. etc. etc. showing up just to muddie the waters with nonensicle vituperative language for ***** and grins because EVERYONE has an opinion.Good luck. Have fun!
/rant over
P.S. That whole idea of have faith for a later explaination from the devs really chapped my ***.
I apologize. Carry on Dom forums and keep on doing whatever the hell it is you do in game now
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This is what Castle thinks of all of you and all of your ideas:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NkoBsMTmkQ
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Thank you Frosticus.
No offense to you,Lilli. Congratulations again on your accomplishment. -
No. Brutes in some cases did not farm faster or more safely than a dominator prior to the revamp. Now.... in the current incantation of the game... a brute will farm faster and more efficiently than a dominator. That's the truth. There is no disputing the fact.
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I don't really care about fire//psi particularly. I care about all dominator's generally. I am fed up with the touted "Dom experts" here that can't even play dominators and advocate the dumbing down of the archetype and the ostracism of any poster//player that disagrees with their decree's.
Thank you for the correct link,D.C. I apologize if I misstyped(spoke). Another "Thank you" for taking the time to compile real player experience and real numbers. Plenty of people here pontificate. Few take the time to put it all together and ask W.I.I.F.M.
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Min.. Brutes can farm alot faster than doms now.
I call things like I see em and don't play through rose colored glasses.
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Quote:Originally Posted by SpittingTrashcan
It's hard to see how this:
can be read as this:
You might want to re-read the thread you are citing.
No I don't need to reread the thread. Those are his numbers bases on a nonperma dom vs. my numbers based on a perma2 with a perma 3 overlap of roughly 10 seconds.. Sorry if I was unclear.
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Frankly the damage is miniscule to me. 11% big woo.. I could easily pop a red in pve. The clunkiness and need for a respec to get them smoothe is what chaps my ***. I have played doms avidly since Cov's release. This misconception over their usefulness in teams and the need for a "revamp" in order to accomadate the 'casual player" that makes me required to respec" yet again" in order to play my characters to my standard also irritates me beyond all get out.
The people on these boards that think their way to play dominators is the only way because they apparantly cannot get the idea of mobility and game mechanic chaps my ***. Those players//posters inability to be objective about any player//poster that disagrees with them chaps my ***. Need I say more?
I am going to.
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You should srs give up and roll a brute,Empress. All the farms that always worked still work. If you are having trouble doing those than apparantly a dominator is not for you... even with the buffs!!!!
** Hugs and kisses****