Slaunyeh

I wrote a really long response to this, but then realized that 1) No one cares. And 2) It's vastly off-topic. This thread is about SSA spoilers and I don't want to derail it any further.

The topic of heroic villains is better left for another day.

Always? How about 'for once'? Can't we just accept that for once there's a story arc that isn't tailored specifically and exclusively to heroes that maybe villains get to tag along for out of pity even if it makes no dang sense?

That's pretty much the rest of the game though.

I get why the Devs like co-op content. I get why co-op zones need a particular heroic slant. It's easier to justify villains doing heroic stuff than heroes doing villainous stuff, after all. But that doesn't change the fact that it's not really co-op content. It's blue-side content that villains are allowed to play through as well.

I, for one, appreciate that the SSA doesn't make it feel like someone kinda-sorta forgot that the red-side exist and shunted them in at the last minute. The SSAs might not be the hight of storytelling, but at least it acknowledges both sides.

That blue-side players are all up in arms about this, amuses me to no end.

(on a side note, villains SHOULD be ahead of the game for the majority of the run, only to get defeated at the very last second. That's how we like it! Though I guess the very idea of the SSA is that we're not, this time. )

/signed

Dibs on not telling the war wolves!

I thought it was a classic Rorschach. Which, I suppose, is also a cheap trick, but it works for me.

And yet, the view that "if you don't want to do the team content, you don't belong in this game." was presented.

Unsurprisingly, people protest this.

No argument here.
Granted, I havn't seen the arc unfold, myself, so I'm just taking everyone's word for it. I do appreciate the effort to make "permanent" changes to the setting... whether this was a good way to do it, or not, is not really for me to judge.

I think it's worth noting, however, that the overarching theme for Statesman is "outliving everyone he cares about", into which the death of Miss Liberty plays nicely.

Ultimately, you want to kill off a character because it makes a good story, without really looking at whether it is, or isn't, a female character.

And then leave it to other people to rage about misogynistic bias.

Sadly, this thread isn't about whether killing someone Statesman cares about makes for a good or a bad plot hook.

Hey! This is a spoiler thread. And my computer is out of commission so this is all I got to sate my curiosity. Feel free to share here!

That's the game going "A heroic dominator? Really? A heroic dominator? Are you sure??"

Women are a greater loss to the tribe than men are. You don't need a lot of males to ensure the future of your species.

Oh no. If the roles are reversed, it instead becomes a tale of how the female heroine has no merit on her own and need men (in this case a dead loved one) to help inspire her to grow.

That's almost worse!

I miss KaliMagdalene

I'm not sure I understand what the problem is. Is it a problem when a cowardly villain strikes at the hero's loved ones? Or is it only a problem if the loved one is female?

Striking at an enemy's weak points seems to me to not only be a classically comic book, but also the smart thing to do when your only advantage over an opponent is your lack of scruples.

Personally, I don't care if I'm beating up Statesman's granddaughter or Sister Psyche's uncle, but attacking a hero's weaknesses sounds like perfectly acceptable villainy to me. That's why secret identities are so popular!

To quote Patriarch from ME2: ""You said he had close family. They'll just want revenge. Kill the family first. Then he'll get angry and come at you stupid... and then you kill him."

Maybe he really likes to team with people who doesn't want to be there?

I got the quiz without being the mission holder so.. yeah.

Oh I'm quite confident it will be horrible.

Although it does have Ross Watson, former lead developer on FFG's RPG line Dark Heresy, as a quest writer. This isn't exactly bad news.

Assuming you're the mission holder, anyway.

Some of us are not new, yet have never even been to the shadow shard (outside random instanced missions that give no backstory)

This it Sister Psyche were talking about. You know, the psychic who likes to dress in transparent spandex, read the minds of random teenagers nearby and then flip out at them for looking at her.

Numina used to be able to raise the dead. Did she conveniently forget how to do that?

Psst. It was Miss Liberty who died. It's Ms. Liberty that remains alive.

Well, that's hardly something new. Just rare that it's the blue side suffering, so I can see how it'd come as a shock.

We wouldn't want it any other way