Scythus
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Quote:That's a logical fallacy; you cannot prove a negative. You might as well ask people, "Prove there isn't a God."Originally Posted by Psyte
And the fun opposite: prove there isn't.
Anyway, over life I've formed the assumption that "good" does not exist. Everyone is merely varying degrees of evil but evil nevertheless. Just look at the state of the world if you don't believe me. -
Quote:People only bring up Hitler because he exists in recent memory. Historically, Hitler was a sissy when compared to figures like Chenghis Khan and Vlad Tepes.Originally Posted by Redbone
The problem is, what we define as "evil" in an absolute sense doesn't exist. It's based on the observer's viewpoint. At the risk of Godwinning the heck out of the thread, the typical example of "absolute Evil" in the modern world is usually Hitler, but his position as Master of Evil was only determined by historical hindsight by the winning side. The majority of Germans didn't consider him evil, and he definately didn't. His leadership of Germany is still one of their highpoints in modern history (the economy was better than ever, services worked, they had order and law and went from a provencial area into a world power in very short order). However, the whole "ruling the world" thing and the Holocaust show him as "evil" to most people today (and yes, there are a sizable number who do NOT believe that). Had germany won WWII that situation would be reversed.
As for Team Dark, they're anti-heroes. They do heroic things but with evil methods. -
Quote:I'm pretty sure they are. I seem to recall something about Recluse meeting with the UN or something over Ms Liberty's invasion of his country.Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano
Hmm you know I never thought of that.
Recluse allows things to be said against him because he wants to look good, yes I'm not entirely sure the Rogue Isles are considered a soverign state by the UN -
Quote:There is actually real world precedent for that whether you believe in that sort of thing. Nevertheless, once upon a time, the U.S. military actually took it seriously.Originally Posted by Col_Blitzkrieger
Rule of thumb to consider: Could any average (but physically fit) human off the street do what you're doing with nothing other than physical training? Natural.
Do you need a degree in handling complex machinery and gadgets, or do you use powered armor? Tech. Oh, wait, are the gizmos you're using generic enough to not need an engineer's degree? Natural. This includes guns, as they're considered generic enough (unless of course you -want- to think of the Frankengun as a technological miracle).
Do your powers originate from your body in a manner unnatural to humans, that you can't just do through training? Were they there when you were born, latent or otherwise? Mutant. Got them from an outside source? Science. Psionics is up for debate, as in the CoX universe all humans have latent psionic powers that can be unlocked through rigorous training, thus you can get away with a natural psionic human. -
I generally like the Circle of Thorns (although I hate Spectral Demon Lords with a burning passion). I like the overall theme and the pretty Oranbegan maps. People may criticize the latter, but the artwork is something to be truly admired.
I also have a soft spot for Council, Banished Pantheon, and Rikti. -
Well, unlike Nemesis, I don't recall the devs stating that Dr. Vahzilok died a happy toy maker.
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Quote:A minor quibble here, actual anarchy is suppose to be responsible freedom.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Not when people act responsibly
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Quote:And England prevails!Originally Posted by Golden Girl
So ignorance is strength, and freedom is slavery?
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Quote:A sympathetic past is a hallmark of a villain. Example: Most of Batman's rogues gallery.Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire
I've got a few villains with sympathetic pasts who try to be heroes when they can, even though they're stuck in such a bad situation.
On the other hand, one of my villains is a corporate punch-clock-hero who went full villain when he got fired. -
In before Golden Girl.
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Quote:Perhaps the Arbiters want to see a display of your power and like a typical gloating villain with an ego the size of a planet, you show it to them? (Most likely not taking into account that they're probably reporting your progress to Recluse directly.)Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I actually completely neglected to think about it, but yes - Arbiters as trainers CoV-side makes no sense. CoH-side, I can kind of see heroes reporting to a trainer to ensure they're using their powers responsibly, but villains? What, do I need a permission slip from Arbiter Fabulous in order to shoot my rifle in short bursts? It's bad enough that we constantly kowtow to Arachnos, and we don't really WANT to use our powers responsibly as villains, so to seek their permission is borderline insulting.
But that's a problem with all of CoV and how pervasive Arachnos is. They break us out, we use their Quartermasters, train at their Arbiteters, alter our difficulty at their Fateweavers and follow our destiny as THEY describe it. Ugh... One only hopes Going Rogue will be less restrictive. -
Quote:I honestly never realized there was a fail status for that mission.Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Saving Triggerhappy and General Grandpa from Nemesis in the Rikti Warzone.
What....simpleton thought of making them non rescuable? Pets you have to keep alive are the devil in pixel form, I tell you. Not to mention one of them is an old man with a pistol who will run up and punch Warhulks in the face! Not to mention Nemesis ambushes are large if anything but solo, and deal an ungoldy ammount of accurate AoE attacks.
I hate this mission. I hate it with a passion. -
Quote:Apology accepted. I may not be the most social of people, but I certainly know I've said and haven't said.Originally Posted by Siolfir
Swapping builds recharges every power you have. That could be somewhat exploitable, if allowed anywhere - particularly during a mission - and on a relatively short recharge.
And I would like to issue an apology to Scythus, since I did go back and check more than just the past few replies. I should've gone back a bit further, but while I could set aside Sam's responses due to prior name recognition (and the white and red avatar) I didn't have a similar mental link with Scythus. The obnoxious and insulting responses I remembered from the first two pages of the thread were from someone else, and they blurred together after a few pages to where I responded to the one who was still posting.
I may not like making mistakes, but at least I'm willing to admit to them. -
What about any Hunt Council mission in Boomtown? Just try to find a spawn that isn't being slaughtered by 5th Column these days.
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Quote:Perhaps you should go back and read that chain of replies. The only time I actually said it "was stupid" was after Steampunkette herself had used the phrase to summarize what she thought I was saying. Thus the whole putting it in quotes.Originally Posted by Siolfir
So my opinion that "you're stupid" is not flamebait as well, then. I don't care how you react, I merely think that you're not nearly as creative as you think you are, and that your expression of disdain for someone who doesn't fit into your narrow definition of "How Things Should Be(tm)" shows a rigidity of thought which is to be highly discouraged.
It's also my opinion that every time I see one of your posts in this thread that it serves only to belittle or demean someone, but apparently you're merely expressing your opinion. Thus, since that's not an issue, I decided to express my own.
You; however, are most definitely trolling. -
Quote:And what's option D?Originally Posted by Steampunkette
Well here. I'll give you the option of telling me how to play, so long as you can offer an option D which is still fun to me, and still involves doing the villainside content.
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Quote:My opinion that "it's stupid" is not flamebait. It's my opinion. Flamebait would imply I was deliberately trying to illicit a negative reaction from you, which is frankly not the truth of the matter.Originally Posted by Steampunkette
There is no "Facepalm" to this. It's simple logic.
Facepalm, by the way, is more flamebait. It's a derogatory statement which infers your extreme disdain for my statement, regardless of how sound my logic is. Your only argument -against- my logic, thus far, has been "It's stupid", ultimately.
You are correct that I would still recommend option A, however. -
Quote:I'm not flamebaiting. I'm just verbally expressing my facepalm at your logic. I see your logic, I just don't agree that it's GOOD logic.Originally Posted by Steampunkette
Psssst! not gonna get the kind of response you're looking for. Stop flamebaiting me, or I'll simply stop communicating with you.
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Quote:Yes, because sarcasm is ALWAYS saying the opposite of what you mean.Originally Posted by Steampunkette
Umm... You're the one arguing that a "Trainer" is feasible, Scythus... not me.
this isn't a Bugs Bunny Cartoon. I'm not going to mysticall argue for the Trainer's existence. You'd have to have gotten the conversation down to "Does not!" and "Does Too!" for that to even have a fraction of a chance to work.
And even then, I'd be going along with the joke. Not arguing for their feasibility.
Damn straight.Quote:Edit: Ah! Misunderstood.
Desperate reaching.Quote:Nope. It's acceptable to you. And you also assume I have my heroes killing people and robbing banks. Though I do have some of my heroes play "Robin hood" with Arachnos' cash, or The Family's. -
Quote:And yet you can mentally delete an entire game's text and write your own story. Amazing.Originally Posted by Steampunkette
Combat practice is not the same as "Flex your left pectoral muscle"
Training someone to jump through a hoop is a physical training that any person can understand the mechanics of and fairly easily describe the mechanics of to another person. Same thing goes for climbing a rope. But flex your left pectoral muscle. use a mutant power you've never used before and I'll describe it in utterly subjective terms from my personal experiences.
You can't possibly describe something that subjective and individualized to someone else. It's like describing the color Green. It's Green. Someone else may perceive what you see as Green as Blue. But because his parents and teachers call it gree he calls it green. We'd never know that he has the -perception- of that color differently. Because he can't explain it as anything but green.
So flex that left pectoral muscle, Scythus. Or better yet, reach down inside and grab that tingly feeling and pull it up to the surface and make it into a fireball.
-Rachel-
A superpowered trainer is an acceptable stretch, but noble heroes resisting evil governments of their homeland going to Paragon City to rob banks and kill cops is reaching. Massive reaching. -
Quote:Wolverine was not one of the original X-Men. The dude joined much later and already had a century of experience. In any case, the very first issue of X-Men has Xavier running the original team through a combat practice.Originally Posted by Steampunkette
Eh... Charles taught Jean Grey how to use hers telepathically. And Scott Summers how to keep his under control with the Specs. He didn't teach Wolverine how to heal faster or Beast how to jump.
It is; however, stated in "Origin of Power" that the first atomic bomb is most likely responsible for mutants in CoH. So there is an overarching connection.Quote:I've always understood the X-Men as teaching mutants how to use their powers for GOOD instead of evil while also teaching them the basics they'll need to get ahead in life where, outside of his college, they'd be ostracized and attacked, insulted and assaulted, and likely drop out of school or use their powers for selfish and likely destructive ends.
Plus this isn't Marvel comics where one gene is the cause for all mutations and can be suppressed. -
Quote:By that assumption, the whole premise of Charles Xavier School for Gifted Youngsters doesn't work because all the mutants have different powers and thus wouldn't be able to teach each other. But if you read X-Men at all, you'd know that this wasn't really the case. Xavier taught the original X-Men how to use their powers HIMSELF.Originally Posted by Steampunkette
Okay. So he's got assistants to train my Magic user in learning new spells.
Does he also have Mutant trainers who can help my mutant hurl fireballs? That's pretty presumptuous, in itself, that it's something even other fire-users can teach. Do me a favor. Flex your left pectoral muscle. It's easy. all you do is focus on that muscle and move it. Can you do it? Keep trying. just flex that one muscle.
Why would it be any easier to teach a mutant how to throw a fireball using their mutant powers? And that's assuming it's a similar mutation! Fuerboll (my fire mutant) secretes a gelatinous oil-based substance that catches on fire when friction rubs across it. Pyro (of the X-men series) has Pyrokinetic control over flame, but can't create the stuff. Could -he- teach Fuerboll how to throw a fireball? No?
There are many, MANY character concepts for whom a "Trainer" makes no sense. how about a demon coming into power after being weakened by her inter-dimensional travel? Does she need a trainer to regain her strength? No. how about a superman styled character. Trainer? No.
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Seriously, if the X-Men can do it, then BAB's mutant assistant surely can. -
Quote:Not really. Any successful trainer is going to logically have his own franchise.Originally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
I think you've got it backwards here, mate. It's because we need to do this here that makes it seem like not that much more to put a Hero in the Isles.
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Quote:What, it's too hard to imagine that the most popular heroes in town don't have a staff of assistant trainers on hand where some might know how to train your mystical character? Just because we don't see him taking you to his private gym doesn't mean its not possible. You're already mentally rewriting the entirety of CoV, so why is it so hard to think BABs has specialized aides at his gym?Originally Posted by Steampunkette
This one I've got to call you on.
My level 4 Fire/Fire mutation blaster walks up to Back Alley Brawler and asks his advice on how to hurl a ball of fire granted by my innate mutation. Brawler knows how to do that -and- explain it?
My level 2 Gravity/Force Field Science Controller who I RP as having control over time itself walks up to Brawler and asks him to teach her how to reach through reality to grab a forklift from a junkyard 3 years ago and sling it at a foe before returning it to it's appropriate place in the timestream. And he knows how to do it AND explain it?
Brawler is a Guy. Sure he's a hero and a Boxer. but the man uses technological boxing gloves. He shouldn't be able to teach my magic user the right words to call forth magical ice as easily as he teaches newbie fighters how to box. -
Quote:I don't mind your walls of text. I usually find them quite eloquent and thought provoking.Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
And you know what the most fun part is? The moment I take the time to write up a clear, unambiguous, exhaustive explanation of my entire train of thought in the finest detail so that no-one can wilfully misunderstand it, I'll simply get accused of being long-winded and told that no-one wants to read my walls of text. Charming, isn't it?