Scythus

Originally Posted by Mirai

No, I was not calling something being hard a bug. I was calling a bug a bug. For example, if I go into a standard mission and find myself facing a +8 lieutenant (which has happened to me in the past), there's a bug. Outside of the obvious bugs, which have been acknowledged as bugs and fixed, my top soloer has never been unable to complete a standard mission solo.

Originally Posted by Mirai

I'm still not seeing it. Nowhere did I say I want to solo all content, and in fact I've been consistently saying otherwise. I wasn't including TFs when I referred to standard mission content. (And I certainly wasn't including things like Hamidon.)

Originally Posted by Mirai

I must have missed whatever it is you're referring to.

Originally Posted by Mirai

I think you've gone to a bit of a silly extreme there.

Originally Posted by Ironik

I disagree.

Anti-fellow-player belittling sarcasm in yellow.



Any linguist will tell you that "look" is a word people use when they are talking down to you. It's what parents say to children, what people who feel innately superior to others say to their "inferiors." Take a listen to any politician being interviewed and you'll hear this word a lot. Then pay attention to what people who have respect for others say. The word they use is "see." "Look" is a command while "see" is an invitation. Using "look" sets a certain tone of superiority.



"Not to put two and two together." Condescension, plain and simple.

You wonder why people took umbrage? That's why.

Is it an over-the-top flame? Of course not, but the sense of superiority is still there nonetheless. Just because it has the polite-sounding words doesn't make it a polite post, and many people saw right through it.

Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel

The one thing that bugs me about that new mission...

Is Vanessa pulling the whole "I am using my mind powers to lock you down from attacking me" excuse.
I mean, for one thing, it brings the question: "Why not just kill the player if you really have that much power over them?" and it also becomes another thing that kind of shoehorns the player characters as just observers who can never hope to stand out from the canon NPCs.

Originally Posted by Bronze Knight

Originally Posted by Ironik

He was belittling the preferred playstyle of his fellow players, which for some reason raised hackles. Since that's your condescending tactic as well, I'm not surprised you approve of such dismissive behavior.

Originally Posted by GuyPerfect

You know, Lord Recluse has always been pretty tough to solo. And Widdershins on my Elec/Pain Corruptor? Yeah, can't be done. I don't think I've ever soloed Nosferatu, except maybe with my Peacebringer running Light Form. Envoy of Shadow took more Inspirations than you can shake Nurse Francine at.

My response in these situations, at least from my perspective, was quite reasonable: I acknowledged that some foes or missions are too difficult to solo, so I asked for help. Apparently what I was supposed to do was come to the forums and complain about how the entire game isn't easy for all my characters... or something?

Look, I know people like to be able to accomplish things on their own, but let's think about this realistically for a moment. Some enemies are, by design, so hard that you can't take them down by yourself, and no matter what server you play on, there are always hundreds of other players online who can help you...

I mean, not to put two and two together or anything, but doesn't it seem a bit unreasonable to refuse to ask for help?

Yeah, Trapdoor's kinda rough. As is fighting Holtz and the Honoree at once with all those Rikti coming out of the portals. And the Minotaur at the end, what with that Endurance debuff it has. So if you can't do it alone, is it really something the devs have done wrong and they are for some reason at fault for making a terrible game? Be honest, now: is it?

Where does this idea come from, that every mission must be soloable with all characters? To me, that's the unreasonable part in all of this. There's no sense in spurning all the other players in the game with you when you find yourself up against something that you can't overcome all alone. Doing that in real life is a major disservice to oneself; I don't see why it should be expected to be any different in this game.

It's okay to ask for help, it really is. The game was designed with the specific purpose of allowing players to work together, so I would hope that we as players can recognize that as a core feature of the game and make use of it when appropriate. I really don't think we're entitled to talk down to the devs just because they do something differently than we would have.

Originally Posted by BrandX

Toughen up, and prove you're worthy of being an Incarnate to begin with? How's that then

I've helped people who couldn't solo it, and all I realized was that they could have, but they were using the "step up, face to face and hit buttons" approach, without thinking to use accolades (eye of the magus is handy) and/or inspirations.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow

There's your long post. Happy now?

Originally Posted by Mothers_Love

I wouldn't be surprised if Natalie's performance is not the sharpest in the film, lets face it everyones going to fall short of Antony Hopkins' Odin.
I just hope she's better than in the Star Wars prequels, ... good grief she so was wooden.

Originally Posted by Ironik

I played two of my lowbies for a few hours the last couple of nights and for the life of me I could not get a warehouse mission. I took one from 4 to 10.5 and didn't get a single warehouse mish, and another from 0 to 9 and had the same experience. All I wanted was to see if the old warehouses were still there for lower level toons.

Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim

Having done this on a very squishy Pistol/Kin Corr and had no problems. He was at +1/x3.