Scythus

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  1. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Venture View Post
    I get it, it's just wrong.
    "Behold, I am Venture, complete arbiter of right and wrong. Thy character concepts are meaningless and thy should accept all limitations without question. I, the mighty Venture, have spoken."

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    As for the OP, the simple fact is that Tyrant is a complete monster
    So is Westin Phipps, but yet we can still run missions with him.

    Perhaps you're forgetting that half this game is Villains? Some of us are tired of pushing our villains through the same content that we do on our heroes because of some "greater evil." Villains are bad guys, ne'er-do-wells, not darker colored heroes with ill adjusted social skills. Some of our villain characters WILL be complete monsters.
  2. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison View Post
    And for Kheldians!
    Sir, I have no clue what you're talking about. What's a Kheldian?*

    *Yes, that's sarcasm. Please don't actually answer that.
  3. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dante View Post
    Agreed. Plus the point still stands that a loyalist who goes redside when they leave Praetoria has no contact with Praetorians again until the Apex and Tin Mage TFs. From a story point of view, that loyalists are effectively abandoned and assumed to be against Cole once they go on to become Incarnates.
    Too bad Venture doesn't seem to be getting this.
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    Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
    When it comes to the well, I've always fancied the concept of "apparent intelligence." That is to say, you have an entity which appears to act with intelligence and will, but in fact has neither, and only has intelligence in action, but not intelligence in contemplation. It has the ability to find intelligent solutions to complex and unexpected programme, but lacks the intelligence to choose its own global objectives.

    The well - to me - is a very powerful, but very unsentient entity that does the only thing it knows to do, for reasons that it cannot and does not care to define, even to itself. As such, it can be viewed as basic source of power, a tool that comes with both benefits and dangers. If you use explosives, for instance, they give you great power of destruction, but the explosives don't care if you set them off accidentally and will be all too happy to blow you to pieces.

    In essence, I see the Well less as Galactus and more as a standard plot device mcguffin.
    You make it sound like the HAL 9000 or VIKI.

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    Originally Posted by Venture View Post
    No, not at all.



    Yeah, got that.
    No you didn't, see:

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    No, it isn't, because people can (and should) play more than one character.
    I was referring to the characters themselves, NOT THE PLAYER.

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    This is not even remotely an in-character forum, or even an in-character discussion.
    No one said it was. I was speaking from the point of a story. If you have one guy doing something here, then across the world another guy doing something else, Person A and Person B are not going to know what's happening to the other. Seriously, what you're expecting is say, myself, knowing what's happening to you right now.


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    Because he's not done with them yet.
    And he's sharing his Incarnate powers with them.
  5. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Venture View Post
    There are two sides to this game and if you're not playing both, you're missing out and probably shouldn't be taking strong positions in arguments about canon.
    Wow, the point just flew over your head, didn't it?

    Villains don't encounter Maria Jenkins. At all. There is no Praetorian content villainside. Powers Loyalists that went with the likely Rogue Isles option and stayed there are not going to know about the friggin' Olympian Guard and its ridiculous to expect them to. Yes, we the players know about it, but that's metagame knowledge. A character isn't going to know it.

    And if Cole's plan is to really replace all superbeings with clones of himself, why the hell is he keeping the Praetors around, eh?
  6. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades View Post
    I am one of the rare people who actually use Boomtown (Baumtown) to level.

    People there are HUNDREDS of Council in Boomtown. If the front groups off to the left are dead or being hunted - go straight back nearly to the wall and turn slightly to the right and before you.......HUNDREDS OF COUNCIL!
    Thanks for the tip if I ever decide to do another one of those Hunt Council in Boomtown missions again.
  7. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Venture View Post
    Yes, we read it, and if you were at all up on the current developments you'd know the cloning project eventually went ahead anyway. You fight one in the new version of Maria Jenkins' arc and (going from what I've read of it) the clones are in the Lambda Sector trial as well.
    Characters that went and stayed redside aren't going to know that.
  8. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Noxilicious View Post
    It's a wee bit more complicated with Loyalists, though, but not really much. The idea is that Power guys are in it, well, for power. They want to rise through the ranks and gain control over those they consider inferior. Then they learn that Emperor Cole plans to basically replace everyone with clones of himself and realise there's no future for them in Praetoria so they head out into Earth Prime. By the time they're 50 they're mighty powerful and they don't feel like becoming someone's lackey again, so they hold no sympathies to Emperor Cole.
    Huh? Did you even READ that last morality choice?

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    Finale: Following Orders
    Cole has informed me that my project is to be cancelled immediately. He has no idea what he is throwing away here! We're so close to success, I just need a little time to figure out exactly what went wrong. I'm sure it's something to do with the Limbo Device, but I don't know exactly what.

    Ask what he's going to do.

    Cole only need know that the current version of The Olympian is destroyed, but my research will continue. When I have finally overcome whatever critical flaw I overlooked, then Cole will realize that I did the right thing.

    Go in and disconnect that flawed chunk of flesh from the nutrient vat. It is of no use to me any more.

    Unnecessary Solicitation

    Cole has requested that The Olympian be destroyed immediately. The hubris of that man believing that he knows better than I when science is concerned!

    ***

    Moral Choice
    Players are presented with a moral choice: to side with the Resistance or aid the Loyalists.

    Destroy Berry's Cloning Lab. Destroy all data and material related to The Olympian. Side with the Resistance. The power of The Olympian is too great to be in the hands of someone like Neuron. The only person you can trust with that kind of power is yourself. If you can't have that power, then nobody should have that power. That is the only way to ensure your own safety and that of the people of Praetoria. (This is the final moral choice in the Power storyline.)
    Inform Cole of Berry's Scheme. Gain favor with the Emperor and expose Berry's betrayal. Aid the Loyalists. Cole's orders were clear, but Praetor Berry's devotion to science is clearly more important to him. What the Empire needs are loyal men and women who follow the orders of their Emperor; not self serving children who think only of themselves. By warning the Emperor of where Berry's true loyalties lie you will prove your own loyalty to Cole and thus gain the trust of the most influential man in the world. (This is the final moral choice in the Power storyline.)

    ***

    Aid the Loyalists
    Mission Objective(s)


    Disconnect The Olympian (Single Player)
    Contact Emperor Cole
    Speak with Emperor Marcus Cole
    Thanks, Character. I don't know what the world would do without you.

    You begin to contact Emperor Cole...
    You've sent a message to Emperor Cole.


    Emperor ColeBriefing

    Considering recent events I assume that your message is of significance.

    It is, my lord.

    Please, you are one of Praetoria's greatest defenders, you have both my respect and my admiration. Dispense with the titles and call me Marcus.

    Marcus, Praetor berry has chosen not to follow your orders.

    I see. Stephen Berry has ever been difficult to control. It is, unfortunately, one of his many and varied flaws. That you suggest we must now add disloyalty is concerning to me. Do you have proof of this?

    The Olympian will be destroyed, but the data will not.

    I see, and I can understand his desire to keep his research, but there are two reasons why I stand by my decision. First, I believe The Olympian project was too dangerous. It was powerful but was uncontrollable.

    Second, I gave Neuron a direct order based on what I had observed. That he chooses to ignore the latter despite the former is greatly concerning. It tells me he has grown blind with pride.

    Marcus, if you wish, I will carry out your order.

    It is not a matter of me wishing, Character, but rather of me hoping. That you would do the right thing is of great comfort to me. I shall deal with Stephen and The Olympian.

    I shall have to remind Praetor Berry that he should not grow too prideful. Too many have already forgotten how hubris nearly destroyed us all.

    Understood.
  9. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha View Post
    I'd love to see an 'attack from above' option for all the of the attacks, personally. Pyronic would look even more awesome by summoning a giant fireball down on people. Same with Cryonic, summon a giant ice shard that shatters and impales everything in the radius.
    Void, being a PBAoE, is a little more limited. Still looks cool though.

    It's a pity Pyronic didnt have the 'death from above' vibe, then I could have passed that one off easily. Ah well...
    Considering that they're already color customizable, adding in new animations should be rather simple as well as the code is already there from scratch.
  10. Heh, Ms. Liberty is such a hypocrite, talking about how lethal damage is bad despite the flame throwers that her Longbow underlings carry around.
  11. Quote:
    Originally Posted by BrandX View Post
    Isn't that kinda like the COuncil and 5th being Italian Fascists instead of Nazis (which were fascists as well) yet everyone calls them Nazis?
    The 5th Column are Nazis, the Council are Italian Fascists with an alliance with alien fascists.
  12. Scythus

    Robot help

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    Originally Posted by Scene_EU View Post
    use /releasepets command then resummon
    This. It works.
  13. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    because we need long dresses
    Yes, make the devs cry.
  14. Don't forget that the Mu are in the game. Oranbega seems to be an odd expy for Atlantis, also.
  15. Quote:
    Originally Posted by BrandX View Post
    Did I miss that list of wiriting sins we were were asked if we wanted?
    Yeah, I'm kinda waiting for it as well. Also, for those making reference to TV Tropes in its summation, remember Tropes Are Not Bad.
  16. Huh... my transition went rather smoothly.
  17. Future MM sets I'd like to see: Pirates, Aliens, and Femme Fatale.
  18. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Schismatrix View Post
    At the top of the page there's a button marked "search", but i digress...
    Yeah, the search function was my guess too.
  19. The launcher works just fine for me. Plus, free aura!
  20. I'd be really pleased if the Battalion showed up in some upcoming issue. Part of me wonders if they were the guys who powered their ships with Kheldians.
  21. /Sign for more options for Lore. Some vanquished Rikti, Malta, Paragon Police, Nemesis, etc. would be nice.
  22. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
    It was the same "OMG! We're all gonna die!" plot over and over for weeks, and as a result the ratings continuously dropped because the audience was sick of it.
    No it wasn't. The first three episodes dealt with the air problem, period.

    The next was "We're going to die! But wait, we're wrong? Holy ****, literal solar power! THIS IS AWESOME! Wait, did Rush already know this?" It was all suspense. They never were actually in danger like they were in the first three episodes.

    The next one was just needing to find a resource, water, which they found quickly enough by the way. The actual concern here was Lieutenant Scott getting stuck in a crevasse and the sand bugs drinking all of the water.

    After that it was the SGC trying to do something stupid (which in itself was refreshing as otherwise their plans almost always work) which Rush knew was going to NOT work and he staged an explosion to get rid of them. Once again, just suspense, no danger.

    After that, not only was there a disease but actually trying to solve the riddle of the time traveling Kino. I actually found that time traveling Kino to be the interesting part of the episode

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    I know you remember them. Both SG1 and Atlantis had the time travel episodes that never happened at the end of the show. They even went and made a movie "Stargate: Continuum" that never happened.
    Is that your only point on this stretch, is the time travel episode? Dear god... One episode! Nevermind that they threw in a riddle to make it more interesting than other time travel episodes. Nor did I deny the existance of time travel episodes.

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    Which one? The alien ships that attacked the base in the very first episode? The Alien ship that they went thru the stargate to get stranded on? The alien ship that was seen leaving the Destiny during the end credits of one of the first episodes? The crashed alien ship? or the alien ships that attacked them?
    You can't follow an argument can you? Look at which episode "summary" I was replying to. The crashed ship that Young and Rush had their fist fight under. Do you have ADD or something?

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    Col Oneal was accused of murdering Senator Kinsey.
    Oh, I'm not denying murder trial episodes exist, but I was pointing out the BIG difference here. Most murder trial episodes (please READ and not skim) entail good evidence implicating the accused or feature a kangaroo court. Concerning O'Niell (with two Ls, and no As), they had footage of him as the gunman. Turns out NID was using hologram technology to frame him.

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    Teal'c was put on trial for murder.
    And he actually committed it.

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    The Atlantis people were put on trial for murder by that council for waking up the Wraith.
    Kangaroo court.

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    Capt Kirk was put on trial for murdering a crewman in the original series.
    Finney, it turns out, faked his death to frame Kirk.

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    Voyager had a crewman put on trial for murdering an alien.
    I really don't give a ****, as like its even crappier sibling, Enterprise, it was a breeding ground for reused plots.

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    Babylon 5 had Sinclair put on trial for the attempted murder of the Vorlon ambassador.
    Impersonator, like O'Niell above.

    This murder plot; however, for once had extremely shaky evidence. A gun that anyone could have put in the grill and that everyone touched. The "trial" didn't even last the episode like other murder plots. Like I said, it was set up for Young getting pissed enough to maroon Rush.

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    Several foothold situations that failed during SGI, Atlantis, Star Trek TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, & Enterprise.
    Great, you just declared invasions in general as unoriginal plots. Good work.

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    SG1 and Atlantis mutinied several times against direct orders from superiors on many occasions.
    Oh you cannot be this stupid.

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    mu·ti·ny noun \ˈmyü-tə-nē, ˈmyüt-nē\
    plural mu·ti·nies
    Definition of MUTINY
    1obsolete : tumult, strife
    2: forcible or passive resistance to lawful authority; especially : concerted revolt (as of a naval crew) against discipline or a superior officer
    — mutiny intransitive verb
    See mutiny defined for English-language learners »
    Examples of MUTINY
    The mutiny was led by the ship's cook.
    The sailors staged a mutiny and took control of the ship.
    Origin of MUTINY
    mutine to rebel, from Middle French (se) mutiner, from mutin mutinous, from meute revolt, from Vulgar Latin *movita, from feminine of movitus, alteration of Latin motus, past participle of movēre to move
    First Known Use: 1540
    I don't recall SG1 ever tying up General Hammond and taking control of the SGC for themselves. That is a mutiny.

    What you're thinking of is insubordination.

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    in·sub·or·di·nate adj
    \ˌin(t)-sə-ˈbȯr-də-nət, -ˈbȯrd-nət\
    Definition of INSUBORDINATE
    : disobedient to authority
    — insubordinate noun
    — in·sub·or·di·nate·ly adverb
    — in·sub·or·di·na·tion \-ˌbȯr-də-ˈnā-shən\ noun
    See insubordinate defined for English-language learners »
    Examples of INSUBORDINATE
    His behavior was unprofessional and insubordinate.
    <the junior officer was court-martialed for being insubordinate>
    First Known Use of INSUBORDINATE
    circa 1828
    SG1 was on numerous occasions insubordinate, but not once did they ever mutiny. Neither did Sheppard's team.

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    You're just mad I'm right.
    Typical troll response is "U mad." Thus my point stands.

    And no, you're not right.
  23. He wouldn't need to fight other humans if the Resistance didn't cause the kind of problems it did. They use terrorist tactics.

    I seem to recall from the bios that the Resistance was Calvin Scott's thing because his wife may have or haven't been taken by Mother Mayhem by force. Otherwise, Praetoria hardly seems "evil" when everyone's needs are provided for and anyone is free to pursue their scholarly interests. Taking that view from the surface, there hardly seems reason to start a Resistance.

    But then you're just going to enter another one of your circular arguments and I'm not interested in that, and I'll save you the time as well.

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    Originally Posted by Golden Girl
    In the end, as a libertarian, I find Praetoria to be a repugnant concept, but I despise Scott's methods as well. Nevertheless, the writer in me likes to get into a character's head and find their motivations. Cole has great potential to be something beyond a two-dimensional mustache twirler. I doubt he sees himself as the villain, unlike a certain spider fetishest that does everything for the EVULZ. He believes himself to be doing the right thing. I have given you his possible reasonings, so you can either take it or leave it.
  24. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    And how would that explain his crimes in Praetoria?
    His powers and the sonic fence are all that are needed to protect people - murdering and torturing and brainwashing people doesn't make Praetoria any safer - it makes it less safe - hes' reducing the population, diving society and causing a civil war - and all for totally un-needed reasons.
    If Tyrant wants to fight the Devouring Earth, why is he spending so much time and resources on murdering, torturing brainwahsing and imprisoning the people he's meant to be protecting?
    Look what got the Devouring Earth all riled up... an atomic war? Then of course there's this crazy Resistance that threatens to destabilize his little oasis in the world of man-eating monsters by blowing up hospitals and gassing neighborhoods. Does the Resistance even have a plan to deal with the Devouring Earth after they've removed Cole? I don't think they've even thought that far. Calvin Scott clearly hasn't, as he's gone off the deep end into Cuckoo Cloud Land.

    Marcus Cole, in the Praetorian world, has seen the worst of what people can do and its consequences. Clearly, he doesn't want it to happen again.

    You see, it's this kind of depth that makes a good villain like Magneto or Doctor Doom.
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    Originally Posted by Eva Destruction View Post
    It still won't explain why he's trying to wipe us off the face of the earth. Did he ask us for help with his Hamidon problem and "we" said no? Does he want to eliminate us to give his people an uber-Hamidonless place to live? He could have asked. The population of Praetorian Earth is way smaller than ours, I'm sure they could fit, and if they couldn't I'm sure Portal Corp has access to lots of nice, primitive, relatively uninhabited and thus Hamidon-free dimensions. Did Statesman imply he was involved in an inappropriate relationship with his granddaughter?

    Any of the above would pretty much have to be a Nemesis automaton, and frankly I much prefer the "he's just a power-hungry megalomaniac" explanation.
    Well, the Devouring Earth should be seen as a starting point to work from to answer these. Perhaps Cole is being truthful that Primal Earth "struck first" in some way and he considers us a threat to the stability of his world and its struggle to survive the Devouring Earth. He may fear that we'll destroy everything he's built so that Hamidon can feast on mankind again and thus has decided that he must destroy us before that happens.

    Edit: Did anyone hear a winkie go "Wahnk wahnk wahnk wahnk wahnk" and Charlie Brown reply, "Yes Ma'am"?