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lol, stalkobot i agree with u once again, if ur AT CAN'T solo relentless, ur doing something wrong, Or ur a kheldian, or the devs borked something. As far as every powerset goes, well i HOPE bane and crabs can solo relentless. ^^ I have yet to try, so i'm in no position to judge.

And to the guy a few posts aove, i bestow upon to you these words: "Jack of all trades and Master of nothing."

I don't want an AT that can summon robots, debuff, mez, dominate and stalk.

Things that do a very generic job are boring. Imagine world of warcraft without archers, paladins, warriors etc. And before the idiots start saying 'this isn't WoW' consider the point i'm making.

Things are boring when they generalise, people play their AT and powersets for a very specific purpose, having an AT that can do amazing stuff no other AT can is what's fun, and why we play the game.

Actually, my complaint was they're weak, and can't survive a confrontation with anything boss+.

As long as i can solo, and solo easily on relentless, and have good (great) damage, i don't mind how they compare to anything, that's when crying about pvp comes in, but that's a different case.

and people thought my idea was stupid, lol. (see training room forum) I like the creativity, but there's no way this'll ever happen.

I don't think praf's trying to pick apart everything you say out of spite, but still, it's like comparing apples and oranges. The AT's are ALL unique in someway, so why the hell compare them? Just find something that makes bane spiders work i say.

Web cocoon sucks, hope that's frank enough.

Well i don't care about being a clone, and until one of the pr0's finds a good build, and does the numbers and finds the secret of the banes, i'm just going to wait.

Good luck in ur hunt, but i don't have the attention span to try, try and try again. Props out to the good people that do!

O.O

Thank you, soooooo much! whooooo now i might actually make a lvl 50 bane spider!

Btw how much would a build like this cost?

If someone intends to solo well, i could probably enjoy their build

Meh, i don't find kb much of a problem, it's rarely ever gotten me killed, only the stupid steel strongmen are the mnob i can think of that's given me noticable annoyance, but yeah i guess so.

Agree, let's not turn this into a political coop.

Anyway, i think its probably because like that other topic states people aren't taking their toggles. Mind you, i only took assault.

Any chance someone can draw up a preliminary build for banes? ^^ something with strong melee and defences preferably thanks in advance

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VEATs are a group AT

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seeing that sickens me

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1) Don't go to Men In Black for knowledge.
2) No ones assuming anything but 2 things, people like fun and people like a challenge but its in overcoming a challenge that people can be more proud of.
3) People aren't stupid just because they aren't into politics. Politicians are devious and your damned whoever you vote for.
4) Having an IQ of 100 is good, not bad, but good. You can get anywhere in life through effort and the more you do something the quicker you get at it.
5) Various people don't come to the forums. Normally they don't have time for it. You say one thing and it gets turned into something else based on what someone adds and reads of it.
4) I wouldn't if I could reveal the Private Message but it was basically not what you though it was.
5) I am pretty sure I took exception to you thinking I was an advanced gamer compared to most. I was so sure it was me I was trying to denounce as an advanced gamer you know, so out of all the other things, where did you get that from?

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I don't know where u got that politics comment from, but people are stupid, regardless.

And to stalko, BD's are no good in pvp >.>
My Dominator in dynasty set with a +25 AM is ftw, even though dominator's should really use blunts cos of the stun xD

Anyways, back on topic, yeah, people are stupid.

Meh, i don't really look at the real numbers unless i'm talking about damage, other than that i tend to either go for what looks good, or what i can get without too much effort, thanks for the thoughts peeps.

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O.o what does that mean? >.< are you trying to say use cheap sets instead of IO's? sorry, the wording just threw me a little, having an off day >.<

I was messing with the new version of mids, when i thought i'd stop planning my ubar expensive nrg/wp's latest respec, and design a build for a bane spider using normal IO's.

Granted i may look a f00l for posting this, i have no idea how to play them or what powers to take, or how to slot them, so be warned before u mock me ^.^

I was wondering if some people could give me ideas in what direction to take my bane spider to help it ^^

Here goes:

Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.30
http://www.honourableunited.org.uk/mhd.php

Level 50 Natural Bane Spider
Primary Power Set: Bane Soldier
Secondary Power Set: Bane Training
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness

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To Shannon, i don't mean any insult either, but face fact, most people are stupid, stalkobot is right. And yes, the game should be challenging. But to complete a challenge, you must know what to do. You're once again, describing a puzzle. This is not a puzzle game in which you should have to figure out what to do.

A challenge is knowing what to do, but having some difficulty doing it, so you get that great feeling of accomplishment in the end, and no one, to my knowledge, has achieved this.

And to stalkobot, play lineage 2. If you make one mistake in that game, you'll be ridiculed for like by idiots who say stuff like 'omg that idiot wears nightmare armour on his TH instead of dark crystal, lol'.

I admire how you admit everything n00by u've done, on some games and certainly in l2 to some people, i always deny viciously making any mistakes or claiming it to be a one off ^^

Thankfully the community on COV is nowhere near as heartless and genuinely violent (people have been murdered in real life as a result of L2) as L2.

We all endured much persecution as nabs, so naturally, they can expect the same from me, but i try to do my best to help my friends and teach new players ^^

There's nothing worse than elitists, and really, on other games for example COD4, i love destroying idiots who attack other people for not knowing something.

too bad u don't play on union, right? Anyway good going man ^^

U sir, win the analysis of the year award. Ur absolutely correct, PEOPLE ARE [censored] STUPID. That's the end of it. If you pour thousands of pounds/dollars into developing a game for a generation of einstein's to play, kiss ur money goodbye n00b because it won't work.

NCsoft need to make things that work for [censored] stupid people, and if smart people like once again praf and stalkobot, with his infinite resources can't make sense of these pieces of [censored], then why the hell should we bother playing them? It's up to ncsoft to make sure we know what to do, how to do it.

BTW has anyone found a version of mids with VEATs in them? i'd appreciate a link thanks.

Archon is gr33k for ruler! wahaha

You're right,games should be designed, and this game should continue to be designed so that casual gamers, people's mums and dads can play without getting all confuzzled, some people aren't prepared to spend days wading through learning material in a game, they just wanna pick it up and play, that's what the code monkeys should have thought of when designing the veats.

Blitzkrieger!!

It's me! Archon Angelo! wahahah.

Yeah ur right, bane spiders need a buff.

Your absolutely right again ^^

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Crediting them with some intelligence.

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Some, but not to much. There where loads of people telling Castle that Stealth IOs in auto powers would be broken, on the US forums to, but he went ahead anyway.

There are loads of people saying Electric Armor is broken on stalkers, but has there been any change?

So, no, I think the devs will operate a suck it and see policy. let it go live as is, then fix it a couple of years down the line when the data mining results are in. I hope I'm wrong.

As for a secret hidden way to play bane spiders wich makes them good but no one is smart enough to have figured out yet!!??? Might as well believe that Elvis is alive and working a milkman in Birmingam.

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I am Elvis

No but I couldn't help but notice there are more than the usual ways to skin a cat with this game and considered that they made a character where people have to think. Rather than run in mash keys win.

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I think you'll find all PC games require key mashing. You keep saying how there's this lucrative oh-so intelligent way to play banes that none of us have figured out yet, this is a game and is supposed to be simple to play.

I'm saying think ur little 'character where people have to think' is a load of [censored] no offence, because if people like praf and stalkobot still can't make sense of what you're supposed to do with this new AT, how are all the spanish, french and german speaking people supposed to? What if they can't read the inevitable FAQ that will be created that lets us in on 'how to definatively own with bane spiders'.

Maybe the devs should just admit it; they tried to be smart and they overcomplicated something, and screwed it up. Just give me an AT with some cool powers, colours, animations and i'm happy. Oh and a really cool mace. ^^

Lest we forget: MMORPG's are NOT puzzle games. there's tetris and mahjong for those.

SO the simple answer would be to beef up their melee defense and ability.

And actually praf, in teams my bane doesn't die, because the crab spiders take the aggro, and banes clean up quickly.

However soloing u described the situation accurately = lot of deaths.

my bane didn't, havn't logged it in 3 days would that explain why?