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14-0? ouch

[/ QUOTE ]Yea, there little war was kinda back in forth, but those screenies were devastating, 14-0 ouch.

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Ok, first, while under suppression, you must get the paperwork from the sleeping positron, fill it out, copy it, submit it in TRIPLICATE, and then wait 6-8 weeks for castle to learn english and find out there is a pvp forum, and THEN he will read it... then he will nerf regen again and call it a day

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they can...chat bug and mod smack *hint hint*

[/ QUOTE ]It's how it always happens, we'll start a thread it will be pretty good. The devs won't even chime and a say screw yall leave us alone or something, so we go back and forth with good points, bad points, questionable points what have you. Than two folk that don't like each other will bump heads, it will be entertaining for a time. And then we will forget what we were actually talking about, gg mission success devs 1 us 0.

But not this time, a glitched zone was more fun than all our non glitched zones castle. A zone with out horrible DR and mez resist, and all the other zone nasties we are forced to deal with was fun castle.

Castle knowing, that we have been crying for so long it's obvious it is interest in fighting in a zone where our pve powers and stats mimic our pvp powers and stats.

So castle can we please, pretty please, pretty please with sugar on top have a zone or at least an arena option to fight in a pvp 2.0 free zone.? Please Mr castle?

Just pick a zone that's rarely used if you like, and just click the enable pvp button. Thanks for listening Mr castle and i for one hope you hear this plea.

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Thank you for digging up a 3 year old post....

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Fully expect more baddos to complain about them. Then just like now it will be baseless whining because you aren't willing to learn to adapt to them. Stalkers are such a low concern to anyone willing to want to deal with them and there are so many more 'real' concerns when pvping. I for one haven't worried about stalkers since they put the one hit code in.

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From what I have seen, people who mostly play villains in general are much slower to adapt to changes than people that mostly play heroes. And usually when they do make an attempt at adapting, it is usually just to roll another Stalker and hide (literally) from the problem rather than try to beat it.

Example: The huge influx of PBs and flying Dev. Blasters with snipe that often go unchallenged in Sirens since issue14. Rather than play something that is capable of bringing them down to earth such as a Traps Corr or a Bane, many villains have chosen to counter them by playing Stalkers. This is just plain stupid since Stalkers are particularly disadvantaged against a Dev Blaster in the air. Even if they do manage to get the AS, the Blaster just webnades the Stalker and goes about his merry way. Extrememly unlikely to get a kill on one in the air without significant teamwork, which again is unlikely where villains are concerned. And PBs can be even more difficult to kill in that same situation.

No, villains are going to get wrecked by hero Stalkers unless they learn to set aside their soloing ways and adapt to what the heroes are doing instead of just hiding.


*edited to fix a gramatical error. What can I say, I'm picky.

[/ QUOTE ]Your forgetting, some of us actually run vills cause it's the underdog. When i got the game i started on heroes learned the game, noticed the vills seemed to be outnumbered, out gunned, so i wanted to ride with them. Why? because it means more to win, when your not meant too.

People have been crying for years, about the disparity of heroes and vills, from the epics, just down to the way the hero AT's are designed. Vills just got better epics recently, but for the longest it wasn't the case.

But what your noticing, is a influx of nubs created by castle himself. This poorly thought out i13-15 pvp made it so newer people never learned, the things older players learned in pvp. It's a dumbed down, shell of itself, and thats saying alot because i12 pvp was far from perfect. It just was way more fun, and rewarding than this.

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"in the old days" as a tank you never want to go near a perma dom.

[/ QUOTE ]IDk a wp/em running SOW after a BF rush had about 2 min to go to town. If i new a perma was lurking and i was on a melee, i used to run the top of the line BF's the ones that sold in the AH with the large insp(fortitudes or something? they last like 1:30 i think and give 10 protection a piece). They used to be costly as hell, like 100k or better for each but a tray of those was like having a emp.

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Yeah four stalkers should be able to stop a tank, but not by mezzing it with some pissant hold. The melee classes, tanks in particular are supposed to be armored against damage and mezzing. Part of the crappiness of the new pvp is the general disregard for the roles that ATs are supposed to play, and still do in pve.

[/ QUOTE ]My point exactly, in the old days 2-3 could do it. But they had to work a little and that was fine. But now just click your ppp and when they start spinning, just all run un and spike them, very weak sauce.

the definition for SOW reads: When you activate this power, you not only become extremely resistant to most damage, but also to Disorient, Immobilization, Hold, Knockback, Repel and Sleep effects. Strength of Will costs little Endurance to activate, but when it wears off you are left exhausted, and substantially drained of Endurance.

So a stalker running a mag 3 hold shouldn't be much hassle when it's up. But resist are a silly replacement for protection. People don't like the idea in the pve realm, so it makes sence us pvp folk won't really like it. And those who cried about holds, just didn't plan right, or allowed themselves to get caught wrong.

Doms in zones mostly fed on solo prey, as it's kinda hard to lock those holds on a target, with a blaze up your butt, from your targets teammate. And to top it off, doms didn't have very good damage so in a zone it took time to break someone down, doms didnt run the zones at all. I feared a well played fire blaster more than someone trying to hold me.

Also i knew a few WP tanks that actually hunted doms, rock paper, scissors at it's finest. Controllers also to the same extent, thet only really shined in the arena, but with help not so much.

Holds only seemed OP'd to those who where unprepared or to lazy, or ignorant to know to keep BF's on you at all times. Or refused to get on a team. And then to top that off, one emp would nullify any holds and make a dom useless.

That's a very good write up warhammer, and through all that it doesn't change the fact that alot of us still enjoyed the old system more. Sure if a organized team came in they would wreck most, that's life, if lebron and kobe came to you town i bet they would beat any duo you know as well, even uncle vinnie with that sweet jump shot, it's to be expected.

But to be honest, save [censored] and giggles i find it kind of off that your team wasted their time doing that any way. I did the ladders with freaks, and i can't recall us ever gathering up to trash zoners that's not an accomplishment really, no offense.

And the reason ppl leave DR on in the arena is, why would you want to fight a capped resist squishie? That's insane, so fight a 70% resist to all monster, with heal decay off, and TS off lol that is a bad sample imo as well. I'd even venture to say, a pff dom with aidself and the ppp mu pet would be unbeatable.

And when you said "(nobody in their right mind used defense shields)" You do realize that by itself is a major problem right? At least in i12 defense was a serviceable option they just went overboard with DR in unison with elusivity.

And when you say "As much as people say they hate it, movement suppression makes sence in a zone environment" You definitely lost me here. The whole point of pvp in this game, atleast for me was the freedom of movement, and choices. No one like to be stuck in glue, and we also don't like playing two games which we do currently. And that's why it's not in pve, as i feel it's safe to say most won't like losing their freedom of movement.

But i will agree with you when you said"
I could honestly go on for pages more, but I simply don’t have the time. Perhaps we should agree to disagree." this is a very thoughtful sentiment and shows your wisdom.

So since you apparently like the new system, you and the few others that do can pvp in the zone you all like. And i for one will be happy to leave your zones the second, the give me a option to chose another.

I can remember when this all rooted from, it all started i'd say when large debates rang out about how, someone with billions invested in their toon should destroy one who didn't have it. And how it wasn't fair because everyone doesn't like to farm, and their money can't compete.

But in reality money in your toon doesn't make one pvp well, and that's evident now. The game has it's best compilation of IO's ever and they are super easy to come buy and yet, that doesnt change ones skill level.

So instead of the devs looking at the pvp list that was compiled and using that list, which was thoughtfully created and conceived, and worked on for ages, and built mostly as a group to benefit all. Castle just tried to reinvent the thing and failed, because not only did it not accomplish anything, but ppl are still crying foul. And even the ones it ws meant for don't even use it.

It's sorta like, you were saving for a new set of golf clubs, for years and your wife wasn't paying attention and spent the money on new furniture, when your other furniture would have been great with a little accessories. And to top it off, the new furniture is ugly so you want the old set back, because no one not even your wife wants to sit on the stuff.

We have been crying about, mez resist since i13 beta, they don't work because they are pve tools that make sense. You get mez stacked on you, you take enough bf's to overcome the mez. Not bad, but since pvp don't make since at the moment and castle thinks mez resist is a good thing oh well.

Mez resist is utter fail, there is no reason under any circumstances a non troller or dom should hold a wp tank while SOW is up and active. Makes for cheap spikes you ordinarily had to work for. Just about a hour ago in rv on a team of four stalkers we spiked a tank in that manner while he was spinning from GW's ppp hold. Even though it's a few seconds, thats all it takes, and since rttc shuts off instantly he had no chance.

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"I don't team with stalkers...."

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LOL
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Even villains hate stalkers.

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Why do I have the urge to farm him repeatedly for not getting the point


[/ QUOTE ]He has that effect on ppl, i was just on line and seen conflict on i had to ask him galactors blaster name so i could farm some. But he wasn't on that's cause he's here not getting it lol.

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People still play Fight Night?

[/ QUOTE ]The new one is actually kinda good. Future downloaded boxers, features mike tyson and foreman, and it looks great. Even has face recognition software included you can put your face on a created boxer and RP like your knocking folk out lol.

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Fair enough, I guess I overreacted.

I suppose even if he was 'spotting', it's not even that bad. It's almost certainly tougher to fight 2 vills than a vill+a hero spotter.

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Btw, if you tweak your build some, I'm sure you'll have no problems stomping the Brute's face in. Blasters do pretty well against them actually.

[/ QUOTE ]Indeed, practice the keep away game a bit a.k.a kiting. Make sure you have some form mitigation form in your build hoarfrost, hyber, both or aidself and with good technique, only his ranged moves with hinder you. And if he's good at taunting, just withdraw until your style develops.

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Actually, ELA Brutes in RWZ can steamroll. Lulz @ energy damage.

Of course, that's until they pull those Rikti batliffs out >_<

But yes, ELA Stalker is horrible. Brute less so, just...very specialized...

[/ QUOTE ]Well pve is definately a diferent animal, my first brute was /ela and with tough and therm support he farms well, or any mish. But pvp, it just wasn't the case, it was a specialized pvp build even. What made it so good in the i12 dayz was everone used em/ so you were impervious to most tanks, blappers melee, twixt and his droning minions.

And you had one of the best t-9s in the game, so with enough recharge you were good. But in this new world of pvp, 1st thing that comes to mind is you will get wrecked in you t-9 of all things lol i remember in beta when i found that out. Next with no self heal your herded to the choice of one travel power.

Next it's softness rivals fire armor, except no glorious 8 sec heal, and the biggest and worst thing that could happened did, with all the nerfs and DR heroes barely even us em/ now. All those /em tanks are rerolled as SS, and the em/ blasters don't really melee anymore blappers are dead ppl pew pew now.

Now you put that package in a little stalkers body, with that puny hp and you have death just waiting to happen. Low defense, so when your seen when the pew pew comes you won't avoid enough to actually rehide. The only purpose i can see for one now, is drone bait, load him up with tp foe, and tp the droners out from safety into the waiting spike. But that application would only be amusing.

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Oh damn. Sounds like a dream... At least it proves that it shouldnt be hard for them to create a PvP zone with i12 rules.

I bet it would quickly get 10x more crowded than RV/SC/Warburg and the arena all put together...

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Adding a zone with I12 rules is incredibly easy - just take any current non-PvP zone and enable PvP.

[/ QUOTE ] RWZ would be awsome or chimera, you could still run your missions but it might be some trouble, i could see rwz having a safe zone Alla pocket D, say the base and surrounding perimeter. lol i could see ppl getting ganked during pylon runs. Probably would have to form a perimeter around the ship to, the pve'r would have a fit the moment the 1st stalker AS'd some defender or something while they were trying to take a pylon down lol.
i'd still like to see it, reminds me when confuse use to work from RV to Atlas, oh the horror of a lvl 50 blaster nuking a crowd of lowbies lft or doing a costume contest.

lol atlas park pvp

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[/ QUOTE ]Damn it works also i'll add this note i left out, if you actually pvp'd you know it is far easier to ks now than back in i12, do to the shear fact of all the suppression and, zone lag, more rooting from ppl building for damage therefore taking powers they ordinarily wouldn't, also not as easy to just click something and escape.

And it's not a point of if you agree with me or not, as i value your opinion as much as you do mine, which is 0, notice how i posted after the other guys post who hopped on my comment? i didn't say anything except admitting i may have said my comment wrong. He seems to pvp, and his conclusions warrant attention. You..yours don't and to me you just don't get it, and frankly i don't care if you ever do, hell it's not like your going to beat my toons in the zone or something, you'd have to actually pvp to do that. Your like a washed up old boxer still giving advice on how he beat ALI, ali as is retired as pvp is when you knew what you were talking about like 3 issues ago I'd imagine. A theory crafter like yourself waste time trying to prove your point, with quirky jest and snark remarks, your a better forum pvp'r than me no doubt. But i actually pvp, in game, and if your so right come to rv, when ever you like and beat some knowledge into my toons like galactor tried and that other dude i farmed on, solo i might add.

Enough talk as your ignored, come to freedoms rv I'm always their, and beat it in me if you can. Other than that, I'll farm my post count just quoting the ignore when you respond to this, which i know you will.

But how about you worry less about what ravens has to say and try and add to a thread if you can,(which i highly doubt). So I'll grant ravens being 100% wrong just for you, that being the case just ignore me like i just did you, and you don't have to see my, jargon. Here ends the lesson.

Oh wait a side note, I'll go hero side if need be, i have been playing with my cors lately, but for you, I'll dust off a blaster, or one of my fenders. This forum pvp is not as satisfiying.

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Tell the devs to unimpeded stalkers and pull back the nerfs so they can solo again and alot of the ks'ng jackel like kills will stop. Back in i12 i used frown upon ksing because a competent stalker could beat down 95% of the zone AT's solo and in short order.

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Make KS'ing easier and the KS'ing will stop. Once again, Raven's logic is undeniable.

Undeniably wrong and idiotic.

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LOL
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[/ QUOTE ]Lol is this mr nrg blaster, er get farmed nrg blaster? lol you of all ppl should love the fact you can ks, after seeing you in action, that day you were farmed. You shouldnt have changed your name to galactor or w/e, you should have been need practice or maybe new build needed or something lol. Good to see you though, you bring back some laughs we shared when people described how they ripped you.

Edit: People actually came to the forums to coordinate times to get together and farm you more, see i agree teaming is fun.

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Tell the devs to unimpeded stalkers and pull back the nerfs so they can solo again and alot of the ks'ng jackel like kills will stop. Back in i12 i used frown upon ksing because a competent stalker could beat down 95% of the zone AT's solo and in short order.


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Here's a crazy thought: If you can't get kills any more solo, get a team. Instead of KSing other people, team up and use teamwork to take down targets you can't solo anymore. You know Stalkers work better in a team than they ever could solo, right? Why is this so hard for villians to understand?

Teamwork>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>> solo.

[/ QUOTE ]Well, i was being sarcastic, i seem to have made it seem serious, perhaps i need to skill up my sarcasm skills, what seems so to me apparently isn't. But if they didn't want you to ks, they wouldn't let you do it. Just how they coded how you cant beat up non teammates if your confused, they would find a way to code where if a target is engaged, only his team (the original attacker)can attack until the target is disengaged. Ffxi has a simular system when fighting mobs where they are open, but become unavailable if engaged and only the original attackers team can join in, unless they disengage or are defeated. So the coding probably exist and since they didn't use it, oh well. And stop being as silly as to imply ksing is limited to stalkers, everyone does it get real. If you say that if you see a target on the run with low health, and your on your dom. And he flashes past you you won't kill him, instead you'll wait to see who's he's running from, i'd suggest that you are lieng, and just hate stalkers because they steal your kills.

Also doms and rupters can ks from the safety of range, or from high above, blasters and pb's do it all the time. Bottom line, as long as it's possible, ppl will do it, so theres no point in crying about it. And i'm not justifieng it, i just acknowledge it exist and deal with it.

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Tell the devs to unimpeded stalkers and pull back the nerfs so they can solo again and alot of the ks'ng jackel like kills will stop. Back in i12 i used frown upon ksing because a competent stalker could beat down 95% of the zone AT's solo and in short order.

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Make KS'ing easier and the KS'ing will stop. Once again, Raven's logic is undeniable.

Undeniably wrong and idiotic.

[/ QUOTE ]I was being sarcastic num nut, you don't have a say in current pvp as you freely admited you don't do it. Get my name out your mouth, theirs no need for you to respond to anything i say, you don't have a clue and are admittedly out of touch. pvp more than feel free to comment, and stop pling your trolling.

Bottom line leave me the [censored] alone, i never seen someone that has so much to say about something, and the worst part is you don't even pvp anymore so your out of date.

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I know you guys can't change the system entirely for PvP, but I do know that a lot of people agree i12 was much more fun then i13 PvP.

I've noticed a number of people quitting over i13, i14.

Maybe install a zone that goes back to i12 pvp.

It's a thought.

:P

Pretty please?


* I would put this in Suggestions and Ideas but you guys don't seem to pay attention to those.

[/ QUOTE ]You know what this reminds me of and i hope the devs take a bit of notice? Ea Just came out with Fight night round 4 It's far superior to it's predecessors in most regards except one thing. They took the option out to utilize buttons, you had to use the control stick only they call it TPC Now they made the game and play tested this new scheme, and felt it was was the way to go. But some of their player base, not even a large percentage, was out raged by not having this option. And similar to our situation (pvp base vs pve base)the TPC users were greater in numbers than those who were against it.

And mind you there devs were dead set that they made the right choice, and sorry for the minority button users. But through threads on their forums(their devs actually responded to the minorities cry) the devs started a dialect to determine what could be done to maximize as many people happy or atleast not crying..Customers as they could. Wisely realizing in this recession you need as many paying allies as possible to nurture any business endeavor. Just like this game people cried and threatened to not get it, or return theirs in essence quitting, not good pr really.

So after only a few months of dialect it ended like
this...

“Among the new content in development, our new button control scheme will give fans a choice for how they want to throw punches in the game. We strongly believe that the refined Total Punch Control is the most intuitive way to throw punches in Fight Night Round 4, but we also want fans of the franchise to have an option.”

They achieved in a few months what we still haven't in over three issues. Some sort of relief for the minority or at least a dev starting a dialect with us, at least screw us over face to face like men, you might not like it, but you'd have to respect it. And i hope our devs don't look at it like they were wimps for caving in, it should be seen like why can't we have our cake, and eat it too? Why can't we maximize customer happiness?

Ea even saved face in their rebuttal post by saying they still believe they were right, but why not make people happy by giving them a choice. That's respectable to say the least. I'd love our devs to respond like, "Even though i13-15 is such a huge success, we realize alot of our actual veteran pvp base dislikes our changes, so to help them adjust we are implementing a i12 arena option or i12 zone"

See how easy it is to save face and still shut the crying up?

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The only way stalkers are going to get kills is by "KSing" as you put it, since stalkers don't have the dmg they used to it's damn near impossible to get a solo kill on somebody who knows what they're doing.

So you basically are gonna just keep crying bout KS'ing and people are gonna keep saying QQ more bout stalkers. Sounds like a vicious cycle...can we stop beating this horse now?

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So if Stalkers are so weak now and can only get kills by leaching off of others as you say, why not play something other than a Stalker? Wouldn't a Dom or Corr be more effective?

[/ QUOTE ]Because everyone doesn't like being herded into directions, people actually use to use pb's in i12 knowing they were not the rave, dark scrappers, claws, nrg blasters, the list goes on. The devs have already took most of our freedom of at away with these nerfs and Dr.

Example, i have 3 doms fully IO'd billions in each i had from my ladder days with Freaks. Do you know i haven't used any since i13 beta? Sure doms are strong now damage wise, but they lost their flavor for me when mez resist came into play, so now they are IO holders if i decide to run more rupters or something.

But another thing, we all don't solo exclusively but it is nice to have a choice which we don't really have now thanks to castle. I mostly duo with stalkers i trust to be effective and it's only a few. Big teams aren't as effective for me unless we on vent, typing is to slow of a communication method to truly be effective as i like to be.

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It doesn't in anyway change the fact that 95% of Stalkers in zones will wait for their target to be low enough on HP to be able to drop them in one attack, even if that target did happen to have a few more than 10 HP before the attack. If that target is already engaged with somebody that is not on that Stalkers team, then yes it is KSing. I know far too many Stalkers that have made a whole career of feeding off of the scraps of others. Whether or not KSing is a bad thing is a completely different discussion, but don't try to call it anything other than what it is.

[/ QUOTE ]Tell the devs to unimpeded stalkers and pull back the nerfs so they can solo again and alot of the ks'ng jackel like kills will stop. Back in i12 i used frown upon ksing because a competent stalker could beat down 95% of the zone AT's solo and in short order.

But now.... get in where you fit in, if i see your hurt you best be kiting and kiting flawlessly because as soon as you slip your dead.

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DR. It eats into the damage bonus from IO sets and Build Up, as well as the actual enhancements slotted in your powers. In reality unless you pop a bunch of reds beforehand you probably won't be seeing more than 1000 damage with crit TF + AS.

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K was figuring it was DR and even said I had no idea how much it was taking off.

Anyone have the numbers for how much DR is hitting +dam? Is it the same across all the AT's?

Ok, I just found Arcana's DR calculator. If I'm using it right
95% dam enhance = 38% (So basically 3 dam turns into 1 dam IO)
195% dam (used earlier) = 79%

A blaster with slotting, aim+bu 257.5% = 99%

So why do lots of people build for +dam under the new rules?

Anyway, using these DR numbers I get:
bu>TF>placate>AS = 869 damage.

Wow I remember most people saying DR didn't hit +dam very much. It guts it ridiculously hard. To the point where hitting aim on top of build up only adds 20% damage.

Supermax and his SO builds are the way to go, other than proc's IO's add almost nothing.

That's a heck of a lot lower than I thought and it makes working in tandem with another stalker pretty key to kill any decent target. But it took two stalkers to do that in i12 too cause a decent player would rarely get AS'd or mezzed, so it took dual impale spam and crap like that. Now they just set up for the dual AS, but AS'ing is way easier albeit slower than a stalker duo could usually kill, but no harder.

Anyway, I'm so glad I've pretty much entirely stopped pvp'ing in this game. Just looking at how DR hits stuff has made me want to speedbag Castle's nuts all over again.


[/ QUOTE ]lol that last qoute is sig worthy i think i will lol, but anyway now your with us, with DR and the already nerfed damage AS took, your not really going to kill full hp solo targets, your forced to live like jackal and eat other ppl's work. The said part, it's really only 2 toons that can't really solo well anymore, stalkers and veats, both vills hmmm well i'm sorry WS's too lol WS's. Veats just because their defence will fail them after the nerfs and stalkers because no one is going to sit around and let you pound on them, and their spiking ability has been reduced alot..