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The issue I have is that there is always going to be a bonus for defenders that not everyone will benefit from. Even if it was a +% to all buffs, then you'd still have TA gripes. +% to debuffs and you get empath gripes. And just because other ATs can heal, doesn't mean that those ATs would benefit more from a +heal% set bonus in their AT IO set. If the devs want to add in a +heal in any AT's IO set, then as the only AT with heals available in their primary, defenders make the most sense.

Besides, you can't tell me you get 5 slots of crushing impact for the immob resist, right? Right, because you don't always get a practical use out of every bonus on the IOs you slot, just like not everyone will benefit from the +heal on the defender's AT IO set.

He said that slots were tight, and assault is about as slot light as you can get.

Theoretically, it would let you hit more than the target cap on AoEs if you have say, (extreme, I know) 40 enemies, SC hits 16 or whatever it caps at, and then chains to hit another 10 enemies. Would also help if anything is outside of the normal AoE radius.

Wouldn't be something I'd add in personally, but it would have some uses.

Just to add a bit to this, I am going to give some slght explainations.

Scrappers have higher base damage than brutes, so a 10% increase to scrapper damage will increase the raw damage numbers more on a scrapper than on a brute. On top of this, Scrapper damage modifiers are higher, meaning that if AAO gives scrappers 12.5% damage buff for the first target, and 6.88% for every target after that, brutes are only getting 10% and 5.5% respectively. Since it's a lower percentage on a lower base damage, the differences add up quickly.

On the fury note, it makes the overall percentage of increase lower as well. Since brutes' fury makes their attacks go up by around 150% damage, and enhancements are about 95%, that puts them at +240% damage buff. AAdding on another 15% means just 240 to 255, not that noticeable. But a scrapper only has enhancements adding to damage. So it's 95% from enhancements and 19% from AAO, so it goes from +95 to +114, which is more noticeable.

Finally, with shield charge. Scrappers do 113 with SC, and brutes do 100 (at lvl 50). Normally, a brute will make up the difference with fury adding to the damage buff. BUT, sheild charges uses a psuedo pet, so it's damage cap is not the same as the brute's, even when a bruute uses it. So while a brute relies on it's higher damage cap to close the gap between scrapper damage, it caps out at +300 just like the scrapper does, and can't close that gap. This also means that if the brute can somehow cap himself, other AoE attacks can surpass SC in damage, but recharge much faster. The same goes with lightning rod, which is why scrappers get better mileage out of the overall combo as well.

I was under thi impression that itrials were balanced around everyone having at least a t2 of each ipower, and making it easier the more times you run it since once you surpass that level, you get ishifts and crazy buffing and pet ability.

I actually prefer the KM animations with shield in hand. They're something you rarely see. And the +damage mechanic in a KM/SD character is awesome, especially with a scrapper.

Yes I did. I am now questioning my sanity, as I feel like I'm remembering apost that wasn't actually there. Or maybe I was just remembering Dechs saying that whole 1dps chain and the whole 4 hour bit. Though, if the contagious confusion proc was level scaling as Arcana suggested, I could see a few controllers being able to get down all AVs by having them kill each other off, but then that last one I don't know how they'd manage it. They'd have to be all buff based, and not so much debuff based. Too bad trollers can't get /traps, because 8 PGTs would actually dent the regen rates. Too bad nothing with PGT has any confuse powers apart from WoC, which would require constant melee range.

This is a subject people rarely look at for survivability. If 2 characters have capped defenses to the same damage types/positions, and no other form of survivability other than HP differences (smaller here since SR has no +hp powers), then kill speed on your part means more survivability because they have less time to put you down.

The issue Arcanaville stated earlier that I didn't realize in full until then, was that regen and +hp don't scale with tanker mods in the same way def/res does. Yes, tanks would get a "bigger" heal and +hp from regen, and obviously more hp/s from an even regen percentage, but it doesn't make as big of a difference (from brute to tank) as defense or resist mods do when they scale.

A simple fix, IMO would be to give FH the regen debuff resistance that WP has, give a bit to integration, and then give quick recovery recharge debuff protection equal to that of quick/lightning reflexes. Then make reconstruction a clone of healing flames (lower recharge). None of these changes would be game breaking, but they would add up to quite a bit more survivability. As someone else pointed out, for every 2 uses of reconstruction, you could have fired off 3 HFs, so I think as the regenerating set, it should at least have an equal amount of healing from it's main "healing" (not regenerating) power.

There's always that chance that the minon got hit by multiple procs at once.

How did you set up regen as a primary in mid's?
I've known for a while now that you can do this kinda stuff, but never bothered to learn how myself.

To an extent, yes, this helps scrappers vs brutes. But this would actually be one of the rare instances where the mechanic helps stalkers most, because you can placate and control the critical and auto BU recharge.

But since this is a brute/scrapper comparison, it works. Even without it though, Nihilii's reasoning is solid enough reason to go scrapper over brute.

Had an idea. Since Mid's wont give you regen as an option on Mid's, just make a scrapper version. Add in tank mods on weave/cj/maneuvers, and add in the 10% defense from Storm Kick, and you get a rough draft build for a defense capped regen tank. Add in the higher resists that a tank would get, and it's sitting at around 43 s/l resists and 20% to everything else. Add in a fast heal, a +HP power, and lots of regen, you get the definition of layered defenses. And of course, when defense debuffs come into play, you pop MoG and by the time it wears off, so have the debuffs.

So your power sink would be like a dark regeneration clone? I think with DP and recon, it has enough heals. Making IH a toggle would likely make them reduce it's effectiveness, and I don't think many people would like the idea of that. I personally think it's fine as is if it was a direct port. The higher scale on resilience and the higher HP would make it fine in my book.

So those fire tanks, elec tanks, and dark tanks with capped defense and no DDR are wasting their inf, right?

Or big red warning label for stone saying "you will be squishy and enduranceless until lvl 32, at which point you will deal next to no damage".
Or on a dark saying "your heal will crash your endurance bar, and that hellion buckshot will knock you on your ***"
Or in fire saying "arachnos minions will immob you and kill you from range while you can't hit them"
Or in invuln saying "psi damage will cut your genitals off"

Without IO investment, all of the above are true (ok, the genitals might be an exaggeration) for those sets, and regen is no different. In fact, regen has one of the BEST performances on SOs only, and it's the addition of IOs that make it slightly drop in the list.

On another note not specifically replying to the quoted material, why is it that regen is apparently balanced enough with every other set to be put on a scrapper, brute, or stalker(where it is the most underperforming) but is apparently too weak for a tanker? As far as 1-50 non IO'd play is concerned, I don't see an issue. Regen's real "godmode" power is IH, and you would get it on a tank at 18. Before that level, I don't see how a self heal, and 350% regen on top of 1100 extra hp above basse aren't going to be enough to keep you alive. And DP is great as both a pre battle power and during battle power, which is where timing and skill come into play. Let's also keep in mind that resilience's new resists wouldn't be the same numbers on a tank, just the same scale. Which, on a tank would put them at about 20% resist to all (including psi and toxic), and for a single passive power that comes at lvl 12, that's not bad.

Right click on invincibility. Go to the bottom left hand window with the info on it. Drag the green bar to one enemy in range. That will show your defenses with one enemy buffing invincibility.

It makes me chuckle that the title is an arguement on why/why not to play an AT and the arguement your refering to is an arguement about why we like to play stalkers. As Claws and Errant said, the only reason to play ANY archetype is how much fun you have with it. I personally play all ATs and have one of each at least in the mid 30s and several brutes at 50. All of the combos I have are because of FUN, not performance. Even my fire/ss was based on a supersaiyan idea, and was only used as a farmer after he was temporarily retired to work on alts.

Well what you are calling a superficial reason here is the MAIN reason for some players and is not viewed by most as a superficial reason. That "feeling" is developing a character background that happens to only work for the stalker AT and enjoying the character reguardless of whether or not someone else can do more dps or survive more incoming dps.

For many people, the things you ask for in the main post are viewed as superficial. Your original post has the attitude of "What's the point when other ATs are stronger?" To many, thinking you aren't going to enjoy the character for that reason is superficial because all you are concerned with is performance, not the character. The damage/survival/speed, not the story or reason the character was created.

*This is all my view on what you have said based on just the text that was read, and is not me trying to tell you what you are thinking. Just the way I'm interpreting what you have said, and what others have openly said in the past.

The only problem here is when 1 power fits in 2 groups. Would a controller's hot feet be in control or damage? Would short circuit be in debuff, control, or damage? When you look at all the powers that can fit into several groups, you just get a bunch of slightly less scattered groups instead of the one we have now. I say make groups, but not by power function. Make it pri/sec like it is now, but put all pools/APP/PPP in one group, accolades in one, temps in one, and inherent in one. Make them all a clickable window like salvage currently is, but with the scroll lists. OR, make them dropdown lists.