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Bud also negotiated his own trade. I actually told artic Bud negotiated his own trade of himself and couger i think?, and G funny charged/Masque paid 2 bil on top of it all.
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Quote:Perhaps you missed the part where they said they don't want to be picked up if they won't be played in officials which I can not guarentee with so many members on our core.TBH I think telling them to make their own team is a really bad idea. We saw what happens to a team that just picks it friends without any true pvp leadership or knowledge during the most recent league on Champion.
To their credit they finished off the season but I do think it was a very rough one for everyone on that team and honestly, they didn't progress any.
I think for some of these players new to pvp they really need a mentor to help them along the path, teaching them what works and what doesn't.
I have a lot of respect for Smoke as a pvp emp, I think he has been doing this long enough to new players who want to try out healing in pvp.
I've always been vocal about your skills and potential as a healer/buffer and thought you did a good job of helping to show new players the ropes (bambi, just, arky, and des).
Your team also has Johnny who I teamed with way back on CK's team and I think he does a great job of empping as well.
With a no-limit cap on team size and not being forced to play characters, I just do not understand why you wouldn't draft your friend and help to teach him how to play pain dom.
As far as experience for their team both Braj and I where trying to put them in touch with people.
I have to agree with Silit/Vince/Dex it doesn't seem right to draft a ton of people when you may not be able to play them. Whereas a new team might apreciate dedicated players and they would be guarenteed play time. I am not sure they will form a team due to their bad experience last league but they where dedicated and showed up each week to keep trying.
As far as still helping them learn I was asked to continue and I will. It will just have to be in a different environment. Both Braj and I are trying to encourage them to join in KB's on freedom.
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Quote:When I was questioned later in the evening, later than I should have been up, about this rule I said exactly the same thing, you might get picked up but they won't have to play you in officials. I explained that they would most likely be able to play in practices, improve etc. They where already upset about it and they don't want to just get picked up not to be played in officials which is why I suggested they form a team and guarentee themselves play time. So in this case anyone picking them up without the intention of playing them isn't doing them a favor.I think my point is still valid, one conversation with someone does not mean that is how things are going to go down.
As far as the issue being them "not being picked up" vs "not playing" I would say that most people want to team with their friends. With the new rule in place there is NO reason NOT to pick up every single one of your friends, even if they have a glass eye and a claw hand. You can sit around on vent talking, teaching them how to pvp and they aren't a liability during match time. I would draft every single one of my friends if I was a captain. -
Quote:As far as some of the "issues" raised by 2 of the other new players to pvp, my first thought was: How did you 'catch wind of' these changes? And why would that person who told you about this 'change' want to inform you of it. Personally I would caution you from jumping to conclusions based on a single conversation with anyone.
Maybe cause Braj was at the meeting and they asked him how it went? Why shouldn't they know do you suggest draftees not know they might not get picked up?
I have been trying to encourage them to form a team and grab some of the draftees and I see artic keeper is trying to reach out to Bitter so cool beans. I hope they can form something up and play. -
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Quote:I can sum it up real quick.
- If your Emp is staying safe away from combat because he's squishy then more likely than not you're not getting anywhere near 100% of the benefits of having said Empath on team.
- If your Emp is dead, who is getting buffs, noone.
Ummm all but heal aura are ranged powers. If you are with the trollers, other defenders and blasters on the outskirts using ranged you are well with in range of all.
Unless you rely on rockin the aura there is no reason to be in melee range.
If you can't stay alive on an emp that isn't soft cap'd idk what to say i just don't have that issue...
On another note I was polite and asked a question of a build posted in a guide to empathy which one would reasonably assume is for players new to empathy which contains a rather expensive build. I offered an opinion and some alternate builds that cost a lot less. I am sorry if some people feel that is wrong and it seems unwanted. I also said that there are varied play styles and these where my personal opinions. I will just leave it at that GL with your guide Silas. -
Quote:I actually specifically said you didn't say that. Perhaps re read?So you're reacting to something which not only wasn't present in my guide, but I explicitly argued against?
Well uh, okay. The expensive build thing is an interesting point though and its given me an idea. I think I'll be adding SO builds to all my guides, should help people looking for how the basics for a given set would work.
An SO/Generic IO build imo would be a great addition to any guide. Especially with Freedom approaching.
As far as more team friendly stuff things like power boost and having things slotted for their effects rather than set bonuses is what I meant. Which wasn't many things in your build. Power boost I consider a must but that's me personally everyone has their own play style. It takes fort from 22.97% Def and 29.81% ToHit to 37.72% def and 48.25% ToHit, Veng goes from 38.29% Def and 20.4% heal to 62.87% Defense and 33.35% heal. It also increases the duration of holds, stun etc. which can be useful for a squishy.
Anyway I just did high recharge builds If you didn't care about recharge I might have went with 4 piece numi's more for the heal bonus.
I just want people to see there are so many options in price to still have different builds. I didn't include tp other I just based it off of what you had but with some minor alterations.
It would cost maybe 1-2 bil mostly due to the lotg's and the cheapie purple set. I am guesstimating your build is in the 12-15 bil range. So though they don't have the defense you have but at 1/6th-1/12th the price they are good builds.
Cheap build for recharge not perma hasten (0.66 sec off) but good enough should be able to fort 6 people, not built for any kind of defense, but has PB for yummy boosted fort even yummyier boosted veng, boosted heals and hold and stun duration.
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Perma hasten -AP which is losable since people have issues not dying when they use it. Dead emp is not very useful to the team.
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Ok had an errand to run so didn't make a simple build yet will get to it now.
Hey if you have the money by all means use it, i hear ya. My PvP emps are probably in the 15-20 bil range and my pain is the same. My blaster idk last time i added it up was 35 bil So I also have the money. I just hate the perception that you NEED to have it to build a good toon. Not saying you gave that but people seem to get that misconception.
My PvP Emps are built first for HP, so I am sacrificing other choices. I was just throwing out a number cause it was the first build I opened.
Also to clarify I have rez on 2 of 5 emps lol so I don't see it as a "needed" power it is defiantly team friendly and I do like to pair TP with it. Do I always tp and rez no i will mid aggro rez I think it's all situational. Just the same it's nice to have the tp and not everyone has the vet TP and there is a long recharge on it. I also think AP isn't needed but I like it for end game so I like that you put it last. -
I'll post some thing if you like, let me mess around in mid's. Also I have about 130% recharge on one of my PvP emp and my AB is just about perma (1 sec off) and can still keep 6 people fort'd. My AB is slotted for both health and endurance. Also I have played many of my emp's with just SO's and I don't die so the need to slot an emp for def I just don't see, but then again I've been playing emps a long time and i have i think 4 or 5 now i forget.
Regarding TP i don't mean for you to run away and tp and rez I just tp to outer edge where i am and rez. (thats only on emps with rez many of mine don't have it) -
I am a lil confused why would you make a PvE emp build so expensive? Also why smashing lethal when an emp really has no need nor should it be in melee range?
Also recall friend pairs nicely with Rez so I would have forgone something like flurry for that. Also you took rez so late then when you exempt and it would be most useful you won't have it.
I see you have a ton of recharge and that is nice but honestly you really don't need that much seems like overkill and an expense on a toon that doesn't need it. Just my opinion btw. I would re do this to be much more team friendly, but again that's my opinion and my playstyle. Some emp's like to pew pew. -
Yeah your not supposed to post what your told privetly or in PM's without their permission. There is only one person that gets away with it constantly.
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You need the awesome music you guys usually have on your GP's.
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Quote:The fact remains though, that what the devs think PvP needs and what the players think it needs are not the same thing. i13 proved that pretty conclusively.
No matter how concise or well thought out a suggestion may be (and some of them HAVE been good suggestions, I'm not trying to suggest otherwise), if the devs do not agree that it is what PvP needs, it's not going to be done.
I don't think that free players being able to PvP is going to help much either. Free players in a PvP zone will be like shooting fish in a barrel that has no water in it. Being unfamiliar with the system and being unable to use IOs will be a hurdle most of them will be unable to overcome.
Except Z has been asking PvP'rs what they would like changed, which suggest that they are interested in what we think.
My guess would be they would like free players to get a taste of PvP and want those "fish in the barrel" restrictions lifted and cough up sub monies. If they put the speed back into PvP (no travel suppression) then it may actually work since that was a very unique aspect to CoX PvP. -
Quote:Where did you see/hear this?
Careful, however, as Zwillinger has hinted lately that they are changing this mechanic somehow to defeat afk PvP IO farmers...
It was previously talked about breaking TF's when entering a PvP zone but that would effect anyone on a struggling TF who wanted to go for shivens/nukes etc. so it was scrapped. -
Quote:Kitten you can avoid the word limit to the MOTD by using the channel search> my channels> set motd way of doing itIt was myself, not Cherry, and unfortunately there was a lot of confusion involving what I did say. I initially told you I had no problem adding it to the MotD as long as there was room, you just had to give me the information. Then I went on to ask if you had tried posting it on the forums, and noted that I usually use the events calendar and the forums to change the MotD. Sorry for the confusion.
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I was going to suggest you PM Beastyle and ask him to clean up the thread but this is champion so i don't know what I was thinking......drama is the norm.
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Put this in the Motd for JU looks fun let me know if you need help or prize donations.