PC_guy

I was under the impression that the goal was to get both buffed (obviously not the point of this specific thread, but generally speaking) so that it moves them closer to everyone else, namely VEATs since the two ATs fill the same role as "we do some of everything" role. I mean just because the WS is better than the PB doesn't mean they both don't have serious flaws in design that need to be addressed.

while I can agree that khelds don't need much to be balanced, they do need alot of little things rather than one big thing, if that hasn't been made blatantly obvious by everyone who has made a suggestion in this thread thus far. but simplying changing SF from KB to KD/KU and thats it would just be too little.

pvp is dead in this game

an APP is much different than a secondary.

if you don't pick it thats your own fault. or you understand the consequences of not taking it. it's still there for everyone. and everyone playing the AT has the opportunity to have it. not people with certain secondaries, not people who know more about the game than others. everyone can take it. period.

yea it does. but my point was that there was less mezzes that happen at range than melee. and of those, there are afew that have a 40" range. so something like a blaster could still be optimum while still simply outranging alot of mez, which was my entire point. something that is less optimum at range, like a human kheld, doesn't get that luxury.

true, but asking for human mez prot isn't an issue of simply learning the game or game management. It's about the fact that khelds are underperfoming every other AT in game and this would help close that gap. Every AT has it holes in it's own design, khelds simply have more of them than other ATs and this would fill one gap that is simply outdated.

your entire argument is that khelds don't need mez prot since they've done without it since i3. by that same logic, doms and stalkers were functioning before their changes so they must not have needed the changes they got.

which is interesting because if they did it the fasion that most are suggesting it would also prove to be a suitable fix for the mez problem.

its not about people not using BFs. its about the mez issue being a hole in the AT design that A doesn't need to be there since the AT has multiple other holes on top of that and B would be a nice change in closing the performance gap.

pretty much

i agree with this

and this.

interesting. my troller with indomitable will will be interested in hearing this

cool story bro

why don't we just get rid of mez prot all together then? hell no one needs it, everyone just needs to get some more BFs

true but melee has a larger variety of mezzes that can hit you. generally speaking blasters simply out range alot of mezzes in game. or in the current game, simply kill whatever is causing the mez. with a blasters high damage and attacking through mez, it's not a hard to avoid mez on a blaster.

this is an even cooler story than before

this really seems to be your only argument against mez prot. the fact that simply because they haven't had it means they don't need it. which is complete bulsh. I guess stalkers or doms didn't need the overhauls they got either.


As do I. however of those toons, none are melee oriented toons, and they all do what they're suppose to do better than kheld.

that takes 3 seconds to activate, is interruptible, and if you do it preemptively you're limiting your attack chain.

yup, sounds good to me

actually controllers do. and blasters have something semi-close that is at the very least reliable.

and besides that, blasters, defenders, corrupters, and controllers, all have the ability and (while debatable) were designed to function at range and out of melee. human khelds really limit themselves by just sticking to range.

a t1 and t2 attack chain is enough to outlast most mezzes. or at the very least keep DPSing while popping a BF.
and for the latter

Off topic fix

yea it's not like cold has the potential to have double the -res of all those sets, deletes any issue of end problems, makes -recover from nukes a nonissue, has the only power in game that makes powers like unstoppable, elude, ect. as effective as fortune buffs, and the ability to give every teammate 30% defense

you lost all credibility here dude

i'm basically in the same camp. i always get the itch to play one because i like the idea of the PB and i like the powers. but every time i slot it (which after i just recently stripped was the 3rd time) i always get dissapointed. i've purpled it out multiple times trying all human then triform and came to the conclusion that the sets suck and need a buff. EDIT: i know i'll get flamed for that by hardcore pber's so i'll just say that the PB isn't for me.

The thing about it was every time i made a mids build, on paper it looked really good. 2400ish hp, high resistance, 2, at one time 3, heals but the damage was so lack luster that it just didn't play well.

tl;dr I basically had the same should I shouldn't I idea that you have but released that the sets suck and that any time/inf/sets that i invest in it would be better invested in literally any/every other AT and I would get higher production out of said toon.

took all the purps out of the pb, put em in the WS and never looked back since atleast the WS has the higher potential of the two, albeit both still need buffs.

double EDIT
pvp is dead in this game so i feel safe answering this question for him,

No.

lolwut?

that forums is a complete joke also.

it's more for forum pvp than an actual ideas forum. the bad ideas get rejected hard and gives people an excuse to argue while the good ones fall down uncommented and unnoticed.

>implying that she's actually using 2.0

try forming your own stuff. if its not something obscure it'll probably form



also the server is dead as s**t

fixt

thats the thing. those arguements used then are still valid because there have been literally 0 changes. none. zip. zilch. nada. they put the thing in and haven't made one change.

although i'd also advise that you take a look at Z's threads that he made since most of what you're asking for can be found in them and is very recent

1st

2nd

3rd

there is very little hence why everyone left. but the game has so much potential to have the best pvp in any mmo that arena play can still be enjoyed by those pvpers who are still here for pve stuff if you turn off everything i13 you can and cope with the other stuff.

i think its pretty obvious that if everyone keeps complaining nothing is going to get done. its very lose lose for pvp in this game. the devs actions have made it pretty obvious that they really don't care about pvp. most other sub communities joke about it (devs hate vills, devs hate fire tanks, devs hate everyone ect.) but they've made it pretty clear that they really don't care about the pvp community. if they did they would have atleast put forth the minimal effort to fix the long list of bugs that have been in game since i13.

there really is no point in trying anymore. it's not right, it's not fair but dats the way baseball go.

did you miss were Z, about 3 months ago, made 3 threads that asked these exact same questions that were multiple pages long?
they ended up being very productive since it was just rehashing everything in stickies.

Psy is right, horse is dead, devs could give 2 s**ts
Bring it up all you like, you'll get the same dodge that we've gotten since i13 glhf though.

they sound very similar. IoP had tangible rewards, more xp, more dam ect. it wasn't just cosmetic. it also gave bases and prestige more of a point than storage/porters and made you think about how to build your base. they weren't as in depth as your proposal from what i can tell, but mechanically they function the same way.

honestly though pvp has much bigger issues than stuff to do. the massive mechanical changes that everyone has described and asked for need to take place before the devs even think about adding different types of pvp. and even then, i'd like to see objective based stuff added to arenas before something as in depth as this is added.

such a system seems like it would require a large amount of people. or atleast multiple sgs worth of people spread out around the servers to work. obviously that is the complete opposite of what we have in the pvp community. such a system wouldn't flourish unless a pvp community already existed and was strong. coh has no such community.

also if i13 taught us anything, it was the idea of trying to get pver's, whether they be carebears, RPers, badgers, whatever, to engage in pvp is a really really really bad idea.