PC_guy

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that fact that they wanted changes was on a vast majority, the specific changes that we got were not on vast majority.

pvpers wanted changes, then the devs didn't listen to their feedback about those changes.

besides, the point of the post was that having selective reading when you're asking for feedback is stupid.

Hardly

thats not really what we're asking for. we(i'm go super general here and speak for the entier community) don't want rewards just for the sake of having rewards. pvp should be entirely self sustaining in that, It'd be really nice to not have to pariticpate in the pve grind on a pvp toon. I can't stand playing my psi blaster in pve but i kinda have to if i want any incarnate stuff. if they added some exclusive stuff that was better (pvp ios 2.0 since they already screwed that pouch) that would give pvers incentive wouldn't be a bad thing either.

having pvp give it's own rewards isn't why you should pvp but it enhances your experience. you add that in with the other stuff that the pvpers have been asking for like doing the mechanical overhaul that the game needs and putting in something other than deathmatch style pvp and this game would be the be all end all for pvp.

And thats whats gonna happen in any game. pve or pvp. i've had multiple teams in pve were there were people who were biggers ******** than pvpers. every group has its bad apple.

this game is blessed with a fantastic ignore option. **** is so cash. hell I don't even go into rv with BC chat on anymore. unless of course i'm looking for something to lol at in which case...

because all input is important?
if i13 only taught us one thing, it was that listening to a select few is and shutting out any feedback is a really really really bad idea.

really? I would have that that this would have counted as an announcement

there goes the savior of pvp

i'd agree with CJ. free lotg and/or kismit proc and it gives you alot of control for short bursts, it's nice for caves and stuff but not a must. it's also alot faster than having to cast shadow step.

also you really don't need medicine and I can't stand ED(heh) the damage is too low, the heal sucks and iirc it has a pretty lengthy cast time, which goes along with the set since basically every power has a 1.5+ cast time.

SC is up often enough to get a nice 500 heal off 1 enemy, that obviously varies depending on slotting and what you're healing off of but I find its sufficient enough to keep me alive.

and it's not like killing an enemy is hard, gravity well and shadow blast pretty much kills any minion or lt. on top of unchain and Extracted kill stuff you'll have plenty to heal off of.

first, I agree with you

second, while i know the chances of this getting fixed are much higher than pvp, pvpers have been using the exact same argument you just used in this post for the last 2.5 years. It doesn't work all that well. not that it isn't a good argument i'm just saying that no matter what we say, the dev's won't do **** until they damn well feel like it.

i'll believe that when i see it.

I think they'll eventually get fixed. I don't think it'll have anything to do with players being vocal about it. I think the thing that will have the best chance of forcing changes is
this

but i think one way or another, they'll get fixed

i might be wrong on this but i don't think this is a new powerset, they're just adding more two handed weapons into the game.

however i didn't give 2 ***** to read the announcement thoroughly because it didn't have much of what i was hoping for so i'm probably wrong

because thats the nasty little habit paragon studios has come to form. they implement systems, powers, ect. that have obvious and countless bugs then don't fix them for years, whilst implementing more crap just to leave behind. see, pvp, bases, and AE.
obviously khelds aren't nearly as labor intensive as any of those, depending on what they decide to do with the AT if anything at all, but thats still the habit they've formed.

they probably acknowledge it if that makes you feel any better.

because EATs were poorly designed and the VEAT design, while still having some flaws, appears to use logic and abstract thought with in. thats what happens when 1 AT is created years after another, they get more creative and play better to the current game of which they're trying to adapt to.

semi-off topic, zwil gets harassed about pvp because he made several pointless threads to just slap the burn of every pvper asking for information thats been given countless times. he was kinda asking for it. Z can join all the events he wants, but the fact remains he's a community rep and that he holds no real power. see mod08 since he was basically the same thing.

on topic: theres really so much you can do in terms of advocating for changes to a game, you can give as much numerical and subjective evidence and feedback as you want but it really doesn't matter because the devs are going to fix something when the devs damn well please. period. pvp is a prime example of that, theres 3 years worth of data, feedback, and anything else you an ask for, yet nothing has been done. it's not the fault of the players for lack of trying, just nothing is going to get done until the devs decide they wanna do it. Dats just da way baseball go.


In short, I don't think theres anything to worry about. the AT as is has some serious flaws but still plays okay. it underperforms, sure, but not at all unplayable. when(if) the changes come, it'll be gravy, but not having anything isn't game breaking.

EDIT: this is the dual form build if you want it

nono, it's dead.

that stuff that happens in freedom RV isn't pvp. i don't know what it is, but its not pvp.


then you're delusional

so this basically proves that you have no idea how pvp works in the game and how ****** up it is.

because that is not at all how it works.

Nope.

you've got to fix balance issues before you implement any other different types of pvp. idealy, you'd do it at the same time, but at the very least, fixing the hugh mechanical problems need to be taken care off first and foremost. period. /thread.

will there still be problems and balance issues with whatever is changed? of course, it's impossible to not have that in an MMO, but the current system is so absolutely broken that putting something like this in it A) wouldn't be fun to participate in, B) wouldn't be worth it because it wouldn't take care of any of the negative stigma's that pvp has. it wouldn't bring in any long time pvpers. it might bring in some one timers, but eventually people will get pissed of by the system and pvp will be in the same shape it is now.

if this is your only reward, I highly doubt that this is enough motivation for entire SGs to do. let alone get multiple SGs to do. any rewards system put in place needs to be worked into a new system and needs to have some worth.

I really really doubt this. as a matter of fact I was having a similar discussion about pvp in MMOs with a few IRL friends that used to play this game. I tried to talk them into it and the conversation was basically talking about what if cox had objective based arena games which they immediately denounced because of the stupid stuff thats still in game. insp slowing you more than slows, all damage powers being completely f***ed up, ect.

it's a nice idea, but the mechanical problems need to be taken care of first.


QFMFT

yup you do have some first hand experience with this.

lolwut?

I can name all the changes done to bases and pvp on one hand. and the majority of AE changes were exploit fixes and could count the rest of the normal non-exploit changes on the other hand.

off the top of my head, RPers got an incredible amount of costume pieces, emotes, [walk], new animations, ect. RPers have had tons of stuff asked for and gotten by this dev team.

the argument of whether or not those other communities deserve dev time is a fairly lenghty discussion that has already been had multiple times, but i've never heard of RPers being broughten up as not having ENOUGH done for them. thats a real stretch that just can't be made.

because paragon studios has been notorious for starting things that are really cool then leaving them for years when they're half done. they're approach has been to simply avoid any and all of these problems and move forward with new systems to half ***. why stop now?

EDIT: i'll put down $100,000

this

any changes that should be made to psi to bring it into balance should be made from global changes that affect a wide range of powers/ATs/modifiers and not specifically to psi within the parameters of the current system.

so I have to pay to play my khelds now?


welp, looks like that AT is dead now.

I would argue that this is no longer the case since all buffs are AoEs now. there might be a difference in playstyle of the player, but not a difference in play style of the AT (which might be what you're saying and i just can't read). I think you'll see more corrs buffing regularly, if they didn't already, because it's such and easy one click cast as apposed to cycling through the team.

to the OP, i think there is a reason to play a defender over corr, but you have to approach it on a case by case basis. for instance i've got a cold/ice defender that I was really tempted to reroll corr since the -res values in sleet and heatloss are the same and IIRC the only major differences in those sets were either the value or duration of the slows in every power. and even in those sets that do have a higher modifier on defenders, for instance off the top of my head freezing rain comes to mind 35% on defenders 30 for other versions, I figured that value was outweighed by the higher damage mod and scourge.

on the flip side of that though, my cold fendur is much easier to soft cap due to the higher defense mods, which if you're running 2-3 defense toggles adds up.

there are also different powersets per AT ala FF and fire