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i can honestly say that I wouldn't be able to play my WS if it wasn't completely purpled out top notch stuff to just get as much recharge in the build as possible without giving anything up. Both AT's just need to have all of their powers looked at and adjusted accordingly to bring them up to current game standards, off the top of my head essence drain didn't get the SL change a while back, solar flare needs tweeking, quant flight and neb form aren't the same, one takes more end than the other, and there are a few bugs in each AT the most glaring being that shifting into dwarf to toggle mez prot can be interrupted.

what you have to invest in it (even the bare minimum to get perma eclipse is still a pretty good amount in the current market) and the difficulty of play/level of play almost makes the investment not worth it. Note: i'm not saying that a difficult to play character is bad, there should just be a better upside to it than the khelds currently give.

if the stuff they had now, actually worked properly they'd be so much better to play. any buffs on top of that would be gravy.


for the topic of the thread: i'm relatively certain that the khelds will maintain the same powers they have in accordance to their inherents.
so PBs will get afterburner and WSs will get the long range tp in their inherent, obviously either AT can't get the other power due to being locked out.

thats not really the same thing. if BU and aim somehow got their buff duration cut by an enemy then that would be the same thing. but just because they aren't recharged doesn't mean they aren't perpetual damage. when they are up they provide a consistent spike in damage. where as i've been in multiple situations where fluffies aren't alive long enough to get off an attack. my current WS build has 182 rech all the time and still has trouble keeping a fluffy alive in situations where there is alot of aggro or alot of AoE which in the current itrials and high level TFs aren't very rare. it's got enough recharge to keep a fluffy up when they expire but when they flat out die i'm left by myself.

for your average every day team where you're just going from mob to mob, it is true that they tend to be fine and when they do die you can replenish but I think those situations become less abundant and I don't think that making them undamagable/untargetable would make them OP especially since the DPS of a WS is so dependent on it.

it's not that simple though, there is nothing more frustrating with my WS than extracted essences dying. if the extracted essences functioned like PA or VS then i'd be in complete agreement, but the fact that they can take damage and their HP is so low makes them alot less awesome IMO.

i guess technically a blaster could hit the s/l cap with tough, temp invuln and FoN but the point is still valid.

for me, this is the same as extracted essence, if it functioned just a little differently, or in this case, if dwarf actually functioned to what one could argue is how it was designed to work with the mez function then the point would be more substantial.

if they went in and tweeked all these things for WSs and all the things that PBs need, then yea, i'd be prefectly happy with the damage they do and the trade off for the mitigation they get.

I don't know that any of those has anything to do with it. i'd imagine that khelds are doing less damage because the individual powers just do less damage, have longer activation time, and have the cripple of swtiching forms to optimally buff itself. nova might have the higher damage scale but when you compare it to most blaster sets which alot are very fast activating and do pretty good damage, that is where your discrepancy is.

ideally, the damage scales probably don't need to be changed, but I think every power need to be brought under a microscope and reexamined for damage, end, rech, activation time ect. however I think it's safe to assume that this would take a fair amount of time to do and simply upping the damage scale would probably be a "quicker fix" and more likely change.

i think the quoted exert is much more likely to happen though, and i'd be happy with it.

implying that if they replace BU with something like rage, it would be stackable. which, honestly if they do make that change, i don't see them doing an exact port. i'd be almost certain that either the damage buff would be reduced or it wouldn't be made stackable.

I completely agree with this. I'd really love a photon seeker buff along with a change to EE (I still think the fact that they can die when the AT's DPS rely's so heavily on them is very odd to me). and it is the best way to close the gap between the two ATs

but a change to rage would help the main problem that I, and i think alot of other people, have with BU is that it simply doesn't last long enough to do anything worth while in forms. WS mire last long enough to make a difference in forms while BU obviously doesn't. sure you can get one or two attacks off once you switch but it just doesn't compare to the mire duration.

I think that lowering the form change animation time would help this but the gap would still be the same between mire and BU when it comes to the buff working in forms.

I don't know if a rage clone(or something close) would be the best fix for this, but to me its the most obviuos.

also
this doesn't always fix the problem, not to mention its horribly unreliable
you can only have so many
this would be a viable option if switching into dwarf didn't take 3 seconds on top of being interruptible
using one power with an incredibly inconvenient and costly crash and a long recharge isn't good either
that makes sense
which you can't use for 75% of the game.

all these options are band aides for the mez problem that khelds have, theres no point in having this hole in an AT design when khelds already have to deal with plenty of other holes.

except that you really aren't suppose to be doing damage in dwarf form. or rather, It's not that you shouldn't be doing damage just that damage isn't the primary function. if you look at joe's numbers(which i'm assuming you havent) dwarf's ST and AoE dps damage potential isn't that much lower than human form (i wanna say around 30-40 points for both, which for a primary tanking build isn't all that bad) the big discrepancy is that PBs are doing about 100 *less* than WSs for about every dps number which is why alot of people are asking for a pb damage buff preferably on top of an entire kheld damage mod increase.

also, I also find mez protection useless at high levels too.

thats the thing, it shouldn't be. Both human and dwarf WS's can hit the damage res cap permanently, yet dwarf is more survivable because it's got mez prot and more hp. now I personally think human should get mez prot which to make that trade off with dwarf to make sure dwarf maintains it's higher survivability should probably get a higher +hp number or just increase the cap while in that form but thats a different argument.

The PB doesn't have this luxury and there is no reason why it shouldn't. People are saying that if eclipse can do what it does and have absolutely no downside, then why can't Lightform be just as good and also have no downside. No one is saying to make it exactly like eclipse via a clone, but they are saying that it should have the same level of awesome that eclipse has which because of the crash and the locking into human form(doesn't matter how "manageable" the crash is) makes it not as awesome.

I'm relatively sure that both AT's get access to their respective powers. PBs get afterburner and WSs get the long range port. so really one is only getting locked out from the other. kinda a nitpick but still.

welcome to the world of PvPers, base builders, MAers, ect.

for lack of giving 2 s**ts to explain my feelings on this ima just say, thats da way baseball go.

you (we) can't do jack. period. /thread. done.

you can put together all the imperical data, data mining, numbers, subjective feedback whatever you wanna put together as a community, bottom line is the devs will do what the devs will do when the devs wanna do it. ex. pvp theres literally nothing more the community can do to tell the devs pvp sucks (including flat out leaving which also apparently doesn't work) and there still hasn't been any changes since the day i13 was launched.

personally I would say that our best chance is that when freedom hits, game goes f2p, and playing a kheld means having to pay PP (obvs for non VIPs) then there will probably be afew people who complain "LOLWTFISTHISSHITIPAIDFORWHYDOESITSUCK!!11!1!! " and then you might get something done either from the decrease in playtime khelds get or the increase in ******** from mr. john Q f2player.

except that it doesn't fix the core problem with cosmic balance in that it still does jack solo

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ANd it was a fair argument up until those issues got into open beta. Iirc the issue pages didn't have any of the fire aura changes, Dom changes or a multitude of QoL stuff. No issue page has ever been all inclusive. That's what patch notes are for (in theory anyway)

It isn't absolute either

And I'd bet a large sum that i21 is atleast 3 months off which is plenty of time to add another round of PP

It's actually the lady who has her hand in the air right under the green thing with the hat.

...really?





Like........really?

So just give the shields a mez component and defense component and make them useable I dwarf form so that those players who like dwarf as is and didn't shields ect. Don't lose anything but those who do gain more from it?

The man is right, there should be a big difference in surivablity between human and dwarf and there isn't for either kheld with the way iOS work and how easy it is to get defense I human form, the best/easiest way to leverage that is to add hp and resistance. I don't think pools should be usable I forms, but I completely agree with his premise for making said change

because this dev team has always done this.

I don't agree with jay on his cottage rule stance but that exert the above quote quoted was pretty spot on.

No you just always assume they do which is why 9/10 you're comletely wrong and disregarded

well i mean currently the biggest incentive to use dwarf is the mez prot and the hp bonus. I could see them increasing the hp cap for khelds and increase the amount of +HP given by dwarf.

if you couple that with a change that lets you use your shields in forms and make the shields defense based or a defense component, i'd prefer that over letting pool powers usable. i think not having pool powers usable is a fair trade off and limitation to sets.

but I also really liked the idea of making the forms toggles and use the respective powers in the human set while in forms.