Not_Rhino

Story wise, why IS there an AE building in RWZ anyways?

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Just saying the XP reward ratio in the MA compared to regular content is completely out of whack whether its Solo or on an 8 man team, the bubbles just fly

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Again... this simply isn't true.

XP gain for soloers and small teams is much slower in MA than it is in regular content.

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Maybe if you live in a happy little bubble where people only do 'regular' AE story based content sure.

But by all indications the bulk of AE people/teams are doing the exploit based farms in which case it doesn't matter how large or small your team is, the XP and rewards are far and away better than anything else in the game.

There are multiple farmers who have confirmed this to be true here and in other threads.

No, I don't think removing XP from AE is a good idea.

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And which "exploit based farms" are you referring to? Do you run them yourself? If not, where do you get the basis for saying there are exploit based farms? The only thing close was the Comm Officer farm, and that has been fixed. Making an all boss spawn is not an "exploit" nor is it easily soloable except by the most overpowered powerset combos and/or most IO'd out characters. Perhaps that is the real problem.

Leave the exp. Take out the ability to make entire spawns of one enemy rank, unless that rank is Elite Boss or higher (for challenge missions). Problem solved.

Turn off experience if you don't like how quickly it is coming in. Or, you know, don't join AE farm missions.

Shields/Super Strength.
Don't see how DM is "amazing damage", but then I've only gotten one to 35 or so and think the damage is craptastic. Long recharging AoE "attacks" and a single target high damage immobilize... how is the damage anything above mediocre?

I like fighting melee and tanking, so naturally, I prefer Peacebringers.

Won't touch my PB, except maybe to change the blue tint, as his costumes are all white and light blue. Might make a warshade, never much cared for the evil purple coloring before.

Claws/SR

I thought using an example that could actually be referenced to someone people actually know, especially since, you yourself, question the validity of my friend as you show with your quotation marks, would be more effective than saying "i gots a friend dat does it".

Now, I apologize for using you and for making you angry. I don't think I twisted your words, but obviously you do, so rather than continuing the headache I'll just vindicate you and be done with it, especially since it has absolutely nothing to do with my opinion or my expression of it.

And again, to restate, here it is. I think using petitions as a means of extracting revenge or for laughs, or against people you simply don't like, is scummy. I don't agree with those who feel they're bettering the game by reporting costumes, but as long as they're doing it without double standards, I'll respect them for it since they believe are trying to better the game and its community, whether I agree with it or not. I also especially can't stand those that try to enforce their morals upon everyone, or think that there's some moral dilemma regarding what happens in a video game.

I never did target you, even from the beginning. Your post was merely an example I chose to use when everyone came in denying that there are, in fact, people who report others solely for pissing them off. It was your sentiment I was making an example of, not your "ethics" when it comes to reporting people. I never questioned your desire to report everyone regardless of whether or not they pissed in your cheerios. But the sentiment is there, and if it's there in someone who reports everyone, it's bound to be there in someone who doesn't, and I know for a fact there are people who report others simply because they don't like them. My friend is one of them, he reported a few people in Pocket D for copyright infringement because they were furries and he hates furries.

And again, I wasn't specifically targetting you, and if you want to make ad hominem attacks and think that I was, go right ahead, but perhaps it would benefit your case to read the second part of the post you just quoted before telling me you were going to report them regardless (I know).

No, it doesn't. You feel good about yourself for reporting peoples' costumes when they act like douchebags. Whether you were going to do it anyways or not is irrelevent, because I wasn't specifically targetting you, I was making mention of the type of people who would only do it to "get pleasure out of it" as you describe.

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I already posted in this thread, but I'm just going to point out that I don't inform the people when I petition them. They read the rules (or should have), so they don't need me to remind them of the rule when they break it. Plus, I don't feel like getting griefed when their character inevitably becomes Generic'd simply because they refuse to follow the rules.

To the person who says "mind your own business", I'll point out that we, as players, were specifically asked to help the GM staff out in this matter. This, in effect, made it our business. You don't play in a vacuum, so get over it.

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Hopefully, I won't see a naming nerf as a result of all you whiney tattle-tellers.

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And really, this sentiment above that I quoted is part of the reason I petition at all. It goes beyond simply following the rules and doing as I was asked to do; I get a small amount of pleasure from knocking children off their pedestals that they've built for themselves. Of course, I've always hated the "I can do what I want, when I want, and you can't stop me!" attitude more and more people seem to have in all the wrong places.

There are rules that you agree to to play the game. Follow them, and you won't have to [censored] and moan about being caught breaking the rules.

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Here's the entire quote, in context. I don't see how me taking one bit out, the bit I wanted to refer specifically to (to make it easier on the reader), damages any point I may have made. The fact of the matter is, this poster specifically states they get pleasure out of reporting people as a method of "revenge" for having an attitude with him. I find that to be bad form.

Again, you don't need vindication or satisfaction to report people, but for a lot of people, it is the sole reason for doing it. I know people that have reported others they didn't like solely because they didn't like them, while choosing not to report people they didn't have a problem with. I don't like double standards. If you report someone, do it because you honestly believe it will make the game better. As long as you stick to a standard like that, I have no problem with you, but I can't stand people who use petitions as a form of revenge or to feel emboldened.

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As explained, I don't view everyone like this.

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[...]and I don't get any satisfaction or vindication out of reporting people[...]

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I would like to refer you to your third post in this thread, as follows:
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If you folks feel good about reporting kids' characters, more power to you. I don't, and I shouldn't be expected to. And yes, there is a pretentious attitude, that whole, "if you aren't reporting people, SHAME on you" attitude that seems to have permeated this thread. I'm not going to report people unless I am personally upset over what someone did.

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Nothing out of context, nothing misquoted.

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I don't know what this is about. If you think I meant you shouldn't ever report people, or that I contradicted myself when I said I only report people who upset me, what I meant by that was, I would only report people who specifically harass or grief me, and then, the report would be that they harassed or griefed me. That wasn't me saying "if you upset me, I'll report your costume". I won't. But if you grief me, or try to make my experience less enjoyable, I just might report you for doing that.

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Even if you're not posting anymore in this thread, Not_Rhino, I want to point out a few things.

A.) I do NOT feel good petitioning someone else's good time. But it's their good time that might shorten the good time of other players. Should this game lose money, we may lose jobs; things begin to go at a slower pace. I would fear to be hit so badly as for the game to stop all together. Do I wish I would never have to bother with it? Certainly. In a perfect world, I would allow for such a think to happen and continue on my way. But as it stands, the real world is too unstable to allow me the chance.

I don't like it, so much so that early on, there were a few cases I didn't petition. I pitied the person in obscure violation. I certainly won't smile when I petition today, and believe me when I say that I'm always thinking about the community when I finally hit the button. For the benefit of the community, not just one person's enjoyment.

B.) You brought up a general sore spot with the community, bringing up AE farms. But let me tell you that I've been there, in that position. Do I think of anyone less for having farmed the living daylights out of Communications Officers? No. I've been there. And after awhile I slowed down, the fun began to die, then the official announcement was made that any farms in violation would be banned; that any characters taking advantage of the system may be deleted.

I started to see if I could look at things through a developer's point of view. I asked myself, "Is it wrong?" To a certain degree, yes. New players suddenly don't know how to play the game, or even learns to play the game incorrectly, intentionally. Some new players quit with lack of enjoyment, unable to realize that the fun they could have had, they spoiled. But they didn't know that. It's my job to see that they find out just how fun this game can be, the way it was made to be.

I still feel that veterans should have a little leeway, like in my case of having five level fifties scattered among the servers, bored with the regular way of doing things in favor of rewards. But that wouldn't get me anywhere, and it's unfair to the new players. As such, I decided to stop. But I don't like someone less that's still doing it, or previously have done it. They just don't see things the way I do. I'll see if I can help that, if I can.

- Fire Lilly

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Thank you for the intelligent post. As explained, I don't view everyone like this. Certainly there are those who truly believe they are helping the game by reporting these offenders. I just don't share the same sentiment, because I frankly think the chance of another lawsuit happening over copyright violations due to players is extremely low. I view it as a problem for the GMs to deal with, and I don't get any satisfaction or vindication out of reporting people, nor do I think it helps the community, in fact I think it does the opposite, so I simply don't do it.

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I'm a glutton for punishment. I enjoy arguing my stance, and I can't stand when someone twists my words without even the decency to quote where the words came from, even if the quote is out of context.

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Pot meet Kettle.

Truly priceless.

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Yes, I do believe this is what Not_Rhino did to _Laxx_.

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Maybe a little. I quoted him out of context to help make my point, but if you read my posts, I still disagree with his sentiment of reporting people to get revenge or because you don't like them.

Your mangling of my meaning, twisting it to mean something completely different than what was intended, is hardly the same thing.

Yes, I was truly owned because someone has a low reading comprehension.

I'm a glutton for punishment. I enjoy arguing my stance, and I can't stand when someone twists my words without even the decency to quote where the words came from, even if the quote is out of context.

I never said moral justification was needed, it isn't, but a lot of people feel that it is, or that if you don't do it, you are immoral, and that's bogus, just like it was when the same line of reasoning was used against those who expressed their opinion of not reporting AE Farmers because they didn't view it as a big deal.

If you feel good, or feel justified or vindicated, or that you're helping the game in some way, go right ahead and report people. I was just expressing my opinion on the matter. It doesn't affect me, it just pisses me off when I think of some condescending jerk reporting someone for not playing the game the way they think it should be played, whether it applies to farming or character concepts. If you aren't reporting people using that line of reasoning, then you aren't the kind of person that pisses me off, so forget about it.

And I never said it was "okay" to make a rip-off character. It violates the rules, and therefore it's not okay. But, since I am not personally affected by rip-off characters, I don't report them, and I tend to view those who do in a negative light, especially if they're the types who do it because it makes them feel good.

If you do what I say, you'll definitely learn some important lessons about this game.

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Moral Justification. I like that phrase. Coming from an individual who claims that blackmail and extortion are not things to be reported to the authorities, I will gladly keep my own Moral Justification over yours, if you don't mind.

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Where, exactly, did I say that? Pretty sure I said they were scummy things to do, in the same boat as reporting people because you don't like them. How, exactly, that translates to "I think blackmail and extortion are A-Okay", I don't have a clue.

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I personally disagree. Just because a person enjoys it doesn't make it scummy, or wrong, especially in the correct context (people who know better, but break the rules anyway).

I feel bad when I stop a child from shoplifting, when it's fairly obvious they're young enough to not know better.

I don't feel bad when the child is fairly obvious in knowingly breaking a rule by shoplifting (even something small and 'harmless').

But please don't profess to know that people are doing it solely because they like making kids cry or unhappy. Because you would be wrong. And especially don't declare that the thread is "filled" with those types of people, when all postings indicate the opposite.

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Shoplifting affects others in a negative way and should be reported.

There's really no moral justification for reporting people who make a copyright character, just like there's no moral justification for those who report AE farms, as much as the forum dwellers would like to think there is, and I know this point will be argued for a few pages by those who feel vindicated in their actions. I'm done posting here, getting too many unwanted flashbacks to those AE farm threads in which I was told I was a horrible, morally unjust person because I didn't think it was a reprehensible offense to farm Comm Officers.

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The phrase people use is "This game doesn't start at level 50. This game starts at level 22."

Welcome and have fun!

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Fixed

Get to 50 in AE as fast as you can, and then look for a "Master of Statesman Task Force". If anyone asks if you're new, tell them no, it's an alt account and you're a 60 month veteran on your primary account who has successfully led and completed the MOSTF at least 20 times. Trust me, there's no better way for a newb to learn the game than to run a MOSTF with a bunch of veteran players. Feel free to ask newbie questions while running it, and don't worry about dying, nobody will be upset if you do, since you're a newbie after all.

Get 7 friends.

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And yes, there is a pretentious attitude, that whole, "if you aren't reporting people, SHAME on you" attitude that seems to have permeated this thread.

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I must have missed those people. Which ones were they? The closest I saw were people stating they do it because it's the right thing to do.

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No one did. Not Rhino can only twist the words that other people have posted.

Just like he's trying to twist what Laxx said. When Laxx said children he was referring to the maturity level of the people that defend their breaking the rules by calling the people that file petitions names.

People that call other players narks and tattletales have the maturity of a kindergarten bully.

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Just because you're doing it to get revenge or because you don't like them doesn't make it any less scummy. It's in the same boat as blackmail and extortion to me. Live and let live, IMO.